'12 AL QB Jameis Winston (FSU Verbal)

[ThePiombino]

What are they going to do if this isn't settled by the time the Heisman votes need to be counted? Are they really going to give the award to a dude that very well may be convicted of rape shortly after?

Not a chance Winston wins the award anymore.

 

[phork]

I'm sorry, this will come off rude...but any woman that is raped and then doesn't press charges is just ridiculous and kills the credibility of those women that do. I know there is a certain amount of fear there, but you can't just sit back on this and then come forth once he gets famous and have people sympathize with you.

And there are so many strange things about this...Ugg....

irishpat you don't sound rude, but you do come off as ignorant. Just imagine the security of your world has totally crashed in. You wake up nightly while reliving the event over and over. You can't trust anyone. Unless you have been in their shoes, don't make it sound just as easy as you make it out to be. Logic dictates that if something happens to you, report it. Real life with emotions and feeling dictates otherwise. And you do understand that this case opened nearly a year ago, right? Not in the middle of his Heisman campaign or when FSU was #2. The family wants answers while this turd gets to live his football dream.

I can understand the fear argument--who knows what is going on in your head after something like that--but he was not a god last year. He was just a member of the football team with a lot of potential. That is still a big deal, but not the same.

If that was her concern, it sucks for her that it came out at the absolute peak of his fame, when they first hit #2.

I hope its not true. I'd rather live in a world with a distrubed woman than another rapist.

See above for fame argument.

 

[ulukinatme]

Not a chance Winston wins the award anymore.

I wouldn't be so sure. Johnny Football was arrested prior to the football season last year and still won the award. I know underage drinking /w assault is a different case than rape, but if charges aren't filed immediately I could see Florida State continuing to play him and the votes still come in. At this point, even though theres evidence, charges haven't been filed.

 

[Bishop2b5]

What are they going to do if this isn't settled by the time the Heisman votes need to be counted? Are they really going to give the award to a dude that very well may be convicted of rape shortly after?

I don't think so. They were talking about it on First Take yesterday and several voters and journalists are saying they couldn't vote for Winston at this point under the circumstances. I don't think there's any way they give it to him now and risk the problems that would arise if he's convicted or even charged.

 

[domerfreak]

Ok going off information from the headlines and here if im the university im starting to get nervous here. Only reason I say this is because of the claims about the police department telling this girl to stay quiet. If this is true there is no way the university didn’t have some sort of knowledge. Not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist just thinking out loud.

 

[connor_in]

These guys are at least lucky not to have been hoaxed by a fake internet girlfriend. That will REALLY trash your rep big time.

 

[Emcee77]

I don't think so. They were talking about it on First Take yesterday and several voters and journalists are saying they couldn't vote for Winston at this point under the circumstances. I don't think there's any way they give it to him now and risk the problems that would arise if he's convicted or even charged.

I think that's the only reasonable thing. His DNA was found in her panties. I haven't read the facts of the case (not sure if they are out there yet) but apparently Winston was totally unknown to the victim at the time of the attack. If so, it will be tough to argue the sex was consensual, so that DNA evidence will probably be conclusive.

It's always dangerous to leap to a conclusion before all the facts are out, but this looks bad enough that I couldn't vote for him for the Heisman. Before the news about the DNA evidence, different story.

 

[irishog77]

If a guy voted for Newton or Manziel in previous years, then he shouldn't withhold his vote for Winston this year.

 

[Bishop2b5]

If a guy voted for Newton or Manziel in previous years, then he shouldn't withhold his vote for Winston this year.

Not to defend Newton or Manziel (I think both leave a lot to be desired from a character standpoint), but stealing a laptop or being drunk in public at 18 or 19 is a far cry from rape.

 

[irishog77]

Not to defend Newton or Manziel (I think both leave a lot to be desired from a character standpoint), but stealing a laptop or being drunk in public at 18 or 19 is a far cry from rape.

So the lazy, fat @ss "voters" get to decide what is morally acceptable for marquis college football players? Makes sense.

Orrrr...the lazy, fat @ss dudes shouldn't have voted for Newton or Manziel in the first place.

And on a sidenote-- I seem to remember a bit more controversy over Newton than him stealing a laptop and getting kicked out of Florida.

 

[NCND]

So the lazy, fat @ss "voters" get to decide what is morally acceptable for marquis college football players? Makes sense.

Orrrr...the lazy, fat @ss dudes shouldn't have voted for Newton or Manziel in the first place.

And on a sidenote-- I seem to remember a bit more controversy over Newton than him stealing a laptop and getting kicked out of Florida.

Dude, there is NO comparison to what Manziel and Newton did compared to what Jameis is alleged to have done.. NONE

 

[ickythump1225]

If a guy voted for Newton or Manziel in previous years, then he shouldn't withhold his vote for Winston this year.

Rape=/=underage drinking or laptop stealing.

 

[Emcee77]

Dude, there is NO comparison to what Manziel and Newton did compared to what Jameis is alleged to have done.. NONE

I have to agree. Manziel and Newton committed "crimes" against the NCAA. The things they did aren't even necessarily wrong outside our wacky college athletics system. That's NOT AT ALL to say they aren't serious -- if you want to participate in the system, you have to play by the rules -- but it doesn't even approach the level of a violent forcible felony like rape.

 

[gkIrish]

Imagine this nightmare....

Alabama loses to Auburn
Auburn loses to someone in the SEC championship game
Baylor loses to Okie State
FSU wins out
OSU wins out

Winston gets arrested/suspended before the championship game.

OSU plays FSU without Winston. Dear god.

 

[dublinirish]

Imagine this nightmare....

Alabama loses to Auburn
Auburn loses to someone in the SEC championship game
Baylor loses to Okie State
FSU wins out
OSU wins out

Winston gets arrested/suspended before the championship game.

OSU plays FSU without Winston. Dear god.

FSU would still beat the tar out of them

 

[gkIrish]

FSU would still beat the tar out of them

I woudn't be so sure about that...I hope you're right

 

[NCND]

FSU would still beat the tar out of them

Yep. That D reminds me of the late 90's. Fast and aggressive as hell. Now, back to Jameis

 

[irishog77]

When did I equate underage drinking with rape????? I didn't.

And I didn't say that I would vote for Winston....just that the voters that clearly made exceptions before should do so again.


If voters can make "character" relative, which they did by voting for Newton and Manziel, then they should have no problem making "character" a relative concept once again. Also, Newton and Manziel were actually guilty of their crimes-- they admitted so, in some form or fashion. What guilt has Winston ever admitted to or been found of by a judicial system?

 

[NCND]

When did I equate underage drinking with rape????? I didn't.

And I didn't say that I would vote for Winston....just that the voters that clearly made exceptions before should do so again.


If voters can make "character" relative, which they did by voting for Newton and Manziel, then they should have no problem making "character" a relative concept once again. Also, Newton and Manziel were actually guilty of their crimes-- they admitted so, in some form or fashion. What guilt has Winston ever admitted to or been found of by a judicial system?

His DNA is the guilt.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>DNA report connects Florida St. QB Jameis Winston to accuser, but doesn't prove Winston sexually assaulted the woman. <a href="http://t.co/WEOfzWDUl3">http://t.co/WEOfzWDUl3</a></p>— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/statuses/403395870818725888">November 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[irishog77]

His DNA is the guilt.

I'm glad you didn't help design our legal system.

Dude, my DNA can be found in all sorts of places...it doesn't mean a rape occurred.

 

[Emcee77]

Well, if the DNA is in her underwear, the only way it got there is if he had some sort of sexual contact with the victim. So the question becomes whether it was consensual or not. She claimed in her statement that she didn't know the attacker at the time of the attack and only identified him as Jameis Winston a month later. She's not likely to have had consensual sex with someone she doesn't know. She's also not likely to say she didn't know him if she did know him. So this looks bad for Jameis. If I were a Heisman voter, I'd be scared away from voting for him. I think we know enough to say that the risk of jumping to conclusions unfairly is less than the risk of voting to give a prestigious award to a rapist.

 

[Bishop2b5]

FSU would still beat the tar out of them

I think so too, but wouldn't bet the house on it.

 

[irishog77]

Well, if the DNA is in her underwear, the only way it got there is if he had some sort of sexual contact with the victim. So the question becomes whether it was consensual or not. She claimed in her statement that she didn't know the attacker at the time of the attack and only identified him as Jameis Winston a month later. She's not likely to have had consensual sex with someone she doesn't know. She's also not likely to say she didn't know him if she did know him. So this looks bad

Of course it looks bad. I'm by no means defending Winston, rather, calling out "journalists."

Side note, and I mean this seriously (sort of) -- how does his DNA get in her underwear? Have I been doing it wrong?? GO IRISH!!! may be able to elaborate.

 

[irishpat183]

Well, if the DNA is in her underwear, the only way it got there is if he had some sort of sexual contact with the victim. So the question becomes whether it was consensual or not. She claimed in her statement that she didn't know the attacker at the time of the attack and only identified him as Jameis Winston a month later. She's not likely to have had consensual sex with someone she doesn't know. She's also not likely to say she didn't know him if she did know him. So this looks bad for Jameis. If I were a Heisman voter, I'd be scared away from voting for him. I think we know enough to say that the risk of jumping to conclusions unfairly is less than the risk of voting to give a prestigious award to a rapist.

Did you go to college?


Just saying. While I agree this doesn't look good for him, there is still the possibility that she had a few too many (maybe he did too) and regrets what took place, therefore, she feels violated.


Not saying he's innocent or guilty, but just another perspective

 

[magogian]

Guys. Winston never denied having sex with her.

So, this shows nothing. If they didn't find his DNA, then what? They were both lying?

 

[irishpat183]

Being a "rapist" (especially forcible) and someone who had sex with a drunk chick that now regrets it are two different things.

 

[magogian]

Did you go to college?


Just saying.

Lol seriously.

Having attended FSU as an undergrad and a member of a fraternity, this is, for better or worse (ok, worse), not all that unusual.

With how crazy fraternity parties can get, I'd bet players with football players got even crazier. But they usually went to different parties, so I don't know for sure.

 

[Emcee77]

Did you go to college?


Just saying. While I agree this doesn't look good for him, there is still the possibility that she had a few too many (maybe he did too) and regrets what took place, therefore, she feels violated.


Not saying he's innocent or guilty, but just another perspective

Oh, I'm not saying it's unlikely she had sex with someone she had never met before that night. I'm saying it's unlikely she had consensual sex with someone she didn't KNOW at all; like, someone she couldn't identify until she saw him a month later. If she was too drunk to remember who the guy was or how to find him until she saw him a month later, she was likely too drunk to consent, so it's still rape.

But I get your point ... we still don't know the full facts. I'm not saying that the guy will definitely be convicted. All I'm saying is that, if I'm a Heisman voter, I'm thinking that the chances that he is guilty are greater than the chances that he is innocent, and I don't want to misuse my vote on a guy who has committed a sexual assault, so I'm not voting for him. Again, NOT saying that he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt; we don't have all the facts to say that yet. Just saying that if I were a Heisman voter the facts that we do know would impact my vote.

 

[Emcee77]

Guys. Winston never denied having sex with her.

So, this shows nothing. If they didn't find his DNA, then what? They were both lying?

The link didn't work. Can you post it?

The articles I've read have said things like, "Winston denies involvement" or something to that effect and mention that she initially identified her attacker as a man between 5'9'' and 5'11''. I definitely had the impression that he was denying having sex with her, but maybe I missed it.

According to this, he has not yet publicly denied having sex with her, nor has he admitted it:

DNA Test Links Jameis Winston To Accuser In Sexual Assault Case - Business Insider