'12 AL QB Jameis Winston (FSU Verbal)

[ACamp1900]

I am currently browsing some FSU forums.... there is a growing contingent of Seminole fans that actually believe Urban Meyer planted this story.

LOL... the worst part is, I could see that,....

 

[Irish Insanity]

I am currently browsing some FSU forums.... there is a growing contingent of Seminole fans that actually believe Urban Meyer planted this story.

Actually had a discussion with my coworker to day about with his connections in FL how maybe he had something to do with the timing of all of this.

 

[Irish Insanity]

To be clear, college sexual ethics can be quite murky.

If she said no or was passed out drunk, then absolutely that was wrong. And he should be harshly punished.

Sadly enough, I know someone who went down this road. The individual was passed out and he molested her. He was convicted of CSC (not sure which degree) and spent time in jail and is on the registry. He isn't and was never a friend, but an old coworker.

She went to the emergency room immediately after the incident and was examined.

If the examination found evidence that indicates any "violence", my guess is he's indicted.

If there was no evidence of "violence", then I'm guessing he walks.

Some like it rough. I'm not defending him or saying she's lying, just pointing out a fact.

 

[Black Irish]

I am currently browsing some FSU forums.... there is a growing contingent of Seminole fans that actually believe Urban Meyer planted this story.

So Urban Meyer is Keyser Soze?

 

[FLDomer]

I am currently browsing some FSU forums.... there is a growing contingent of Seminole fans that actually believe Urban Meyer planted this story.

I have heard from my FSU friends that it is Alabama who is stirring the pot because they missed out on Winston....

 

[Buster Bluth]

How drunk is .23? That's pretty damn toasted right?

Nope. If you know when they started drinking, you can extrapolate from their current BAC to their peak BAC with a very high degree of precision. It involves a few assumptions but I'm not familiar enough with the chemistry haha

Rule of thumb that a beer = .02, and your liver takes out a drink per hour...wouldn't you have to get tested at like a BAC of A and then say you drank B beers over C time and stopped drinking at D time? Seems awfully difficult to prove in a court of law in regards to the rape because of said assumptions. But then again, I'm with ya, what the hell do we know... haha

 

[bigedefense]

So Urban Meyer is Keyser Soze?

Reps to you! Usual Suspects is a kick a$$ movie! HAHA, I bet most people don't figure out who Keyser is until the last 45 seconds of the movie!

 

[tussin]

How drunk is .23? That's pretty damn toasted right?



Rule of thumb that a beer = .02, and your liver takes out a drink per hour...wouldn't you have to get tested at like a BAC of A and then say you drank B beers over C time and stopped drinking at D time? Seems awfully difficult to prove in a court of law in regards to the rape because of said assumptions. But then again, I'm with ya, what the hell do we know... haha

I blew a .24 when I was in college. I was really drunk, but still able to act independently and make decisions, etc. However, I would think most lightweight girls would have trouble functioning normally at that level.

 

[woolybug25]

I blew a .24 when I was in college. I was really drunk, but still able to act independently and make decisions, etc. However, I would think most lightweight girls would have trouble functioning normally at that level.

I believe a .24 is the same for everyone. It's a percentage, not a unit measurement. That being said, people have different tolerances that they are capable of dealing with.

 

[domerfreak]

To the best of my knowledge a .08 will get you a DUI and is considered legally drunk. So im pretty confident that if she had a BAC of .23 it’s a safe bet to say she was sloshed. I went to madri gras in 02 and drank myself sober on a couple occasions and don’t think I could have touched this BAC.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Actually had a discussion with my coworker to day about with his connections in FL how maybe he had something to do with the timing of all of this.

The idea that some booster or uber-fan decided to tip off the police about this, rather than, say, cut down the trees on FSU's campus, destroy some monument, or dig up their "grave yard", does not sound even slightly beyond the pale to me.

That Urban had a hand in it sounds crazy. The Cam Newton situation, maybe...

 

[irishpat183]

Guys.... .23 BAC is 3 times the legal limit. You are hammered:

0.20 BAC: Felling dazed, confused or otherwise disoriented. May need help to stand or walk. If you injure yourself you may not feel the pain. Some people experience nausea and vomiting at this level. The gag reflex is impaired and you can choke if you do vomit. Blackouts are likely at this level so you may not remember what has happened.

0.25 BAC: All mental, physical and sensory functions are severely impaired. Increased risk of asphyxiation from choking on vomit and of seriously injuring yourself by falls or other accidents.

 

[Buster Bluth]

To the best of my knowledge a .08 will get you a DUI and is considered legally drunk. So im pretty confident that if she had a BAC of .23 it’s a safe bet to say she was sloshed. I went to madri gras in 02 and drank myself sober on a couple occasions and don’t think I could have touched this BAC.

I blew a .078 once and couldn't have felt more sober. A .08 is shockingly little.

 

[gkIrish]

I blew a .078 once and couldn't have felt more sober. A .08 is shockingly little.

Agreed. But a .23 is pretty high. I need to drink like 18-20 beers in 3 hours to get that drunk. (I'm over 200 pounds)

 

[domerfreak]

I blew a .078 once and couldn't have felt more sober. A .08 is shockingly little.

considering different body types and weight i would just assume this is why its a .08. Found this will doing a little surfing and not to get off topic but thought i would share.

Lowering Legal Blood Alcohol Limit From .08 To .05 Recommended By Safety Board (VOTE)

 

[chubler]

Guys.... .23 BAC is 3 times the legal limit. You are hammered:

0.20 BAC: Felling dazed, confused or otherwise disoriented. May need help to stand or walk. If you injure yourself you may not feel the pain. Some people experience nausea and vomiting at this level. The gag reflex is impaired and you can choke if you do vomit. Blackouts are likely at this level so you may not remember what has happened.

0.25 BAC: All mental, physical and sensory functions are severely impaired. Increased risk of asphyxiation from choking on vomit and of seriously injuring yourself by falls or other accidents.

Fortunately I DO know enough chemistry and biology to address this one. Any doctors feel free to correct me though haha.

First off, .23 could be either her actual BAC at the time or her PEAK BAC, which is a significant difference.

Second, BAC will affect different people differently- a large, muscular male will handle the same BAC better than a large fat male because he has more body water to distribute the alcohol through. It's like one of those deep tunnel storm runoff systems in a way. Tons of other factors affect it too- experience drinking, enzymes in the blood and brain, etc. hard to conclude much, but she was clearly impaired as far as legal consent is concerned.

Third, a .23 isn't actually that high for a hard-partying college student. Those lists of symptoms are always worse than 99% of people's perceived symptoms, for obvious reasons.


Finally, just to throw a plot twist in, the girl's family has release a statement, I'll try and find it, but they claim she was totally sober and that they have blood work to prove it, and express concern that she's being represented in the media as drunk.

 

[chubler]

http://www.tallahassee.com/assets/pdf/CD2153461120.PDF

If that doesn't work, there's a link here: Statement: Detective warned accuser's attorney in Winston case

 

[irishff1014]

How drunk is .23? That's pretty damn toasted right?



Rule of thumb that a beer = .02, and your liver takes out a drink per hour...wouldn't you have to get tested at like a BAC of A and then say you drank B beers over C time and stopped drinking at D time? Seems awfully difficult to prove in a court of law in regards to the rape because of said assumptions. But then again, I'm with ya, what the hell do we know... haha

That's a lot of beer straight up. How do you function at that level?

 

[irishpat183]

I blew a .078 once and couldn't have felt more sober. A .08 is shockingly little.

Fortunately I DO know enough chemistry and biology to address this one. Any doctors feel free to correct me though haha.

First off, .23 could be either her actual BAC at the time or her PEAK BAC, which is a significant difference.

Second, BAC will affect different people differently- a large, muscular male will handle the same BAC better than a large fat male because he has more body water to distribute the alcohol through. It's like one of those deep tunnel storm runoff systems in a way. Tons of other factors affect it too- experience drinking, enzymes in the blood and brain, etc. hard to conclude much, but she was clearly impaired as far as legal consent is concerned.

Third, a .23 isn't actually that high for a hard-partying college student. Those lists of symptoms are always worse than 99% of people's perceived symptoms, for obvious reasons.

Finally, just to throw a plot twist in, the girl's family has release a statement, I'll try and find it, but they claim she was totally sober and that they have blood work to prove it, and express concern that she's being represented in the media as drunk.

These aren't just some random symptoms that somebody wrote out on a website...this shit has been studied over and over again....thousands of tests. Hell, I remember a couple of buddies got to go to the police station and be a focus group on booze and how much it took to hit certain levels of BAC.

.23, if it was taken at the time she went to the hospital, means it was even higher earlier in the night. Which means she was REALLY hammered. But if it was at peak, that's still drunk. And we're not trying to determine what it would do to a man's body...it's a woman. .23, no matter what way we slice it...is hammered for a woman.


You bring up a great point...if she wasn't impaired,Then was she injured? Are her injuries consistent with that of a rape victim? That's gonna be the kicker.

 

[ab2cmiller]

All this talk makes me want to watch the WKRP episode involving the sobriety test. All Hail Johnny Fever!!!

 

[PANDFAN]

State attorney interviews Jameis Winston accuser - ESPN

 

[Jerry]

I believe a .24 is the same for everyone. It's a percentage, not a unit measurement. That being said, people have different tolerances that they are capable of dealing with.

There are other factors though. Say a girl does 5 shots back to back on an empty stomach and blows a .23. She may be blacked out from that much alcohol flowing to her brain that quickly. Then you take an alcoholic who has been sipping beers for the last 8 hours. He might also blow a .23 but never lose consciousness.

 

[Irish#1]

I blew a .078 once and couldn't have felt more sober. A .08 is shockingly little.

You thought you felt sober. lol

Anyway you look at it, .23 is high whether it was at peak or not.

 

[chubler]

There are other factors though. Say a girl does 5 shots back to back on an empty stomach and blows a .23. She may be blacked out from that much alcohol flowing to her brain that quickly. Then you take an alcoholic who has been sipping beers for the last 8 hours. He might also blow a .23 but never lose consciousness

These aren't just some random symptoms that somebody wrote out on a website...this shit has been studied over and over again....thousands of tests. Hell, I remember a couple of buddies got to go to the police station and be a focus group on booze and how much it took to hit certain levels of BAC.

.23, if it was taken at the time she went to the hospital, means it was even higher earlier in the night. Which means she was REALLY hammered. But if it was at peak, that's still drunk. And we're not trying to determine what it would do to a man's body...it's a woman. .23, no matter what way we slice it...is hammered for a woman.



You bring up a great point...if she wasn't impaired, Then was she injured? Are her injuries consistent with that of a rape victim? That's gonna be the kicker.

I actually know what I'm talking about here. This is new...
Any doctors or anyone else with better knowledge please correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as my Biology education this far has taught me:

Most of the factors you just referenced are out of the picture once the alcohol is in the bloodstream. Men have enzymes women don't in the stomach, which is one big reason the same amount of alcohol consumed hits women harder- on average, only half the alcohol will reach a man's bloodstream compared to a woman's. Additionally, men have higher body masses, and higher muscle:fat ratios, both of which mean more body water, which dilutes the alcohol in the bloodstream. So a woman at .23 and a man at .23, all else equal, are equally impaired. My impression is that the major factor would be your personal tolerance- for example, the brain can get used to the presence of ethyl alcohol, to the point that binge-drinking college students (or others similarly used to alcohol) can use alcohol by-products as an energy source in the brain, while those without such experience cannot. The more you binge-drink, the more efficient your brain gets at getting energy from alcohol byproducts. Moral of the story, her sex really has very little to do with it since we know her BAC, as opposed to how much she drank. So let's put that line of reasoning to rest.

As far as the tables and lists of symptoms at specific BAC's go, I'm under the impression that those are put together with more concern about safety and less about accuracy for the average person. They tend to list the very lower limit of where a symptom is observed, as opposed to where the average person would experience those symptoms (much less a college student, who is at the top of their "game" both metabolically and tolerance-wise). It's done with the best of intentions, to discourage dangerous drinking and avoid giving someone a falsely optimistic impression of how far they can push their limits, but that doesn't translate well to accuracy for most specific cases. Anecdotally, I can tell you I've blown a .3 before (disclaimer: a breathalyzer isn't a very precise measurement) and still been quite functional (albeit blackout haha).

Regardless of all that, the family claims the detective on the case told them she was sober, and that Winston's roommate allegedly witnessed the assault. That changes the game.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Jameis Winston of Florida State Seminoles questioned in BB gun battle, records show - ESPN

 

[phork]

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

BB gun fight AND drinking soda out of a water cup? Anything less than life will be a mockery of the justice system now.

 

[PANDFAN]

Jameis Winston of Florida State Seminoles questioned in BB gun battle, records show - ESPN

so he isn't this great role model w/ a terrific smile that ol'jimbo fisher made him out to be

 

[ACamp1900]

I swear when I think back to some of the stuff My friends and I did as kids... I can't imagine growing up in the present day..

 

[ulukinatme]

Remember this?
'Johnny Manziel disease' talk OK, good lesson for Jameis Winston, says Jimbo Fisher - ESPN

This interview keeps getting better and better. Winston could be on pace to top Manziel in headlines if he keeps this up