'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (R.I.P.)

[NDdomer2]

why not go Baylor style?

Wofford, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe

playing a pussy schedule doesn't help anything either with the playoffs looming.

yeah and two loses in September every year doesn't get us in playoffs either

 

[Buster Bluth]

why not go Baylor style?

Wofford, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe

Because they can still play fine academic institutions (Rice, Miami (OH)) and get 99%-chance wins. There's is a reason EVERYONE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY does it.

playing a pussy schedule doesn't help anything either with the playoffs looming.

Undefeated and having beaten Michigan State, ACC #1, ACC #2, Stanford, and Southern Cal would do the trick 100000% of the time.

 

[ACamp1900]

Because they can still play fine academic institutions (Rice, Miami (OH)) and get 99%-chance wins. There's is a reason EVERYONE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY does it.



Undefeated and having beaten Michigan State, ACC #1, ACC #2, Stanford, and Southern Cal would do the trick 100000% of the time.

ANY 11-1 ND team agaisnt ANY schedule would get it done nearly at the same clip...

 

[Buster Bluth]

Nor does Balyor get in without going undefeated.

Like it or not, not being in a conference will make ND's chances that much harder. If we have a tough schedule and go 11-1, we have a shot. But, if we only play one or two "tough" games a year, 11-1 will never cut it.

You only saw 1-2 tough games?!

Stanford
Southern Cal
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Michigan State

 

[Buster Bluth]

And that's why we are the number 77th rushing attack in college football.

I disagree big time.

 

[Grahambo]

And that's why we are the number 77th rushing attack in college football.

See below.

That or the fact that we have played the 9th hardest schedule in the country and our QB is about as mobile as a phone booth.

Not only that but he can't stretch the defense vertically which leads to a disadvantage in the running game right off the bat.

 

[JD Irish]

Can't even enjoy a great win for three days with this program.

 

[GBdomer]

nvm

 

[ACamp1900]

Nor does Balyor get in without going undefeated.

Like it or not, not being in a conference will make ND's chances that much harder. If we have a tough schedule and go 11-1, we have a shot. But, if we only play one or two "tough" games a year, 11-1 will never cut it.

Already touched on this with BB's post but it deserves a second...

11-1 Notre Dame will almost always get in... no matter the schedule circumstances... also, the schedule BB is advocating would still almost certainly still be a top 30ish schedule (meaning far beyond strong enough to avoid a schedule 'hit')

 

[Ndaccountant]

ANY 11-1 ND team agaisnt ANY schedule would get it done nearly at the same clip...

So, when looking at it, a normal year would have most likely 2 SEC teams at the current rate. So after that, you would be battling the Big 10 winner, the Big 12 winner, the ACC winner (depending on how the matchups fared in the year versus ND) and the Pac12 winner. Only two of those get in. I find it challenging to assume 11-1 ND gets it every time no matter the schedule.

 

[gkIrish]

People are saying "we'll be fine" because we have talented depth at RB. It's a testament to the job Kelly's done building the program that a 5 skill player can transfer and our long-term prospects don't diminish much. The ceiling for our future offensive backfield has definitely dropped some, but probably not to the point of really hurting our prospects

Look...this is about winning championships. You don't beat teams like Alabama with one really good RB and a few good ones. You need 2 superior talents at RB. TF looks like a stud. There's one. I don't see another on the roster or currently committed.

We're thin at DT and ILB. We've got both depth and talent at RB, but no one has established themselves as a reliable #1 yet. Most FBS teams would kill to have our RB depth.

Thanks for reminding me about ILB. Being "thin" at any position is not good. Not if you want to win championships. Especially if you don't have multiple elite units to make up for the average unit.

Really? I'm pretty happy with the way our WR corps is developing. Three of our WRs from the 2013 class have looked great as freshman, and 2014 is shaping up to be another great class.

It's not about one player. It's about the overall lack of superior talent. Tee, Deontay, Vanderdoes, Kiel, Lynch, Bryant, Neal. Those are guys you build teams around. They aren't guys you simply replace with a next man in philosophy. Again, my point is not to put the blame on anyone because I understand that half of these situations are out of the coaching staffs hands. My posts have been about dispelling the notion that we are fine.

 

[ACamp1900]

So, when looking at it, a normal year would have most likely 2 SEC teams at the current rate. So after that, you would be battling the Big 10 winner, the Big 12 winner, the ACC winner (depending on how the matchups fared in the year versus ND) and the Pac12 winner. Only two of those get in. I find it challenging to assume 11-1 ND gets it every time no matter the schedule.

agree to disagree then...

even taking your point (which I don't)... what is the best road to 11-1/12-0???

 

[Buster Bluth]

So, when looking at it, a normal year would have most likely 2 SEC teams at the current rate. So after that, you would be battling the Big 10 winner, the Big 12 winner, the ACC winner (depending on how the matchups fared in the year versus ND) and the Pac12 winner. Only two of those get in. I find it challenging to assume 11-1 ND gets it every time no matter the schedule.

I'll make a thread so we can GTFO out of the Bryant thread haha

 

[NDdomer2]

you don't build teams around cancers and me first individuals

 

[Irish Insanity]

you don't build teams around cancers and me first individuals

#Reality

 

[gkIrish]

I'll make a thread so we can GTFO out of the Bryant thread haha

I can promise you right now that there will be multiple posters that just don't get the concept of playing bottom-feeders. They will argue that they will get bored watching us pound Rice.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I can promise you right now that there will be multiple posters that just don't get the concept of playing bottom-feeders. They will argue that they will get bored watching us pound Rice.

I'd rather be the pitcher than the catcher. I'd rather pound then be the one being pounded.

 

[Cackalacky]

Checked twitter and there are several Oklahoma guys talking about it. Even mention how many 5* guys have left and what that says about the program.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'd rather be the pitcher than the catcher. I'd rather pound then be the one being pounded.

Guess you'd do well in prison....

 

[peoriairish]

you don't build teams around cancers and me first individuals

There is nothing that I have seen to point to Bryant being either of those. Quite the opposite actually. Unfortunately, he may just want to play sooner than BK wants him to. We will see.

Lynch was a cancer. Bryant is not even close to Lynch.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Does anyone honestly think we lose an extra game this year because Tarean and Greg carry a combined ~10 carries per game? I don't se how that's possible since every back we have has at least one major flaw and Greg and Tarean seem to be the most complete. If anything it helps us so far this year.

Conversely, do you honestly believe that Kelly would refuse to play someone who he thought was "the most complete" option right now? To what end?

 

[gkIrish]

you don't build teams around cancers and me first individuals

Because all of the guys who play for Alabama are team-first guys?

 

[peoriairish]

Conversely, do you honestly believe that Kelly would refuse to play someone who he thought was "the most complete" option right now? To what end?

Unfortunately, yes. Kelly has an affinity to having a faulty loyalty to his upperclassman. I wish he wouldn't, but he does. I think the position would have to be paper thin (OLB this year or CB last year) for a true freshman to play in Kelly's system.

 

[Grahambo]

I can promise you right now that there will be multiple posters that just don't get the concept of playing bottom-feeders. They will argue that they will get bored watching us pound Rice.

I'm sure Alabama fans are tired of posting win after win.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Checked twitter and there are several Oklahoma guys talking about it. Even mention how many 5* guys have left and what that says about the program.

I assume they left out what it says about the program to get them here to begin with. The beauty of the University, the campus, the tradition, our great program, thats what brings them here. Their girlfriends, newborn children, selfishness, and inability to keep grades is what causes them to leave. But I'm sure they missed all that. They do support what has been described to me as a 'racist community college'

 

[greyhammer90]

Because all of the guys who play for Alabama are team-first guys?

what's your evidence that they aren't?

 

[Ndaccountant]

You only saw 1-2 tough games?!

Stanford
Southern Cal
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Michigan State

MSU and VT are a tough game for us, but is no different that a mid conference foe for most conference champions. They compare to a TCU, Ole Miss, etc. A game that should almost always be won, by a decent margin, when you are a top 4 program.

Stanford and USC have infrequently been good at the same time. You cannot count on both being good in the future. So, I would say that is, one very good opponent.

FSU would be tough.

So, in the grand scheme of things, I would say, yes, I only see two tough games in there.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Look...this is about winning championships. You don't beat teams like Alabama with one really good RB and a few good ones. You need 2 superior talents at RB. TF looks like a stud. There's one. I don't see another on the roster or currently committed.

We may never win another national championship. And I'm OK with that. Even the country's top programs are lucky to win one once a decade, and they're not competing under ND's unique restrictions. If your mindset is "Championship or Bust", then you're setting yourself up for lots of unhappiness.

Thanks for reminding me about ILB. Being "thin" at any position is not good. Not if you want to win championships. Especially if you don't have multiple elite units to make up for the average unit.

We refuse to oversign or take JuCos. That basically guarantees being thin in at least one position group every year. Such is life for ND fans.

It's not about one player. It's about the overall lack of superior talent. Tee, Deontay, Vanderdoes, Kiel, Lynch, Bryant, Neal. Those are guys you build teams around. They aren't guys you simply replace with a next man in philosophy. Again, my point is not to put the blame on anyone because I understand that half of these situations are out of the coaching staffs hands. My posts have been about dispelling the notion that we are fine.

This all gets back to your definition of "fine". If the standard is getting back to the NCG and beating 'Bama, then you're right; we're probably not fine. My definition of fine is 8-10 wins every year, with an occasional play-off berth every 3-5 years. And we can still do that without flaky 5 talent.

 

[greyhammer90]

MSU and VT are a tough game for us, but is no different that a mid conference foe for most conference champions. They compare to a TCU, Ole Miss, etc. A game that should almost always be won, by a decent margin, when you are a top 4 program.

You mean THE KIND OF GAMES THAT ARE PLAYED BY EVERY TEAM IN EVERY CONFERENCE?

Plus Va-Tech has a pretty good history of being a cyclical power. When they are good they are a really really good team.

 

[FLDomer]

Unfortunately, yes. Kelly has an affinity to having a faulty loyalty to his upperclassman. I wish he wouldn't, but he does. I think the position would have to be paper thin (OLB this year or CB last year) for a true freshman to play in Kelly's system.

I agree, in all honesty outside of the run against Temple Amir hasn't shown me anything special and certainly nothing I don't think Folston or Bryant couldn't do.