CONFIRMED: Golson No Longer Enrolled At ND

[phork]

What's especially disconcerting to me is that Golson knew about it and didn't tell the coaches or academic advisers. Granted I'm sure a lot of us would do the same in his position, but it had to have left the staff blindsided.

Sadly I believe this is going to be the end of Golson at ND.

I see this as a pretty obvious statement and nothing that should be alarming. If the #1 is gone then the #2 is your man. He's not saying that things can't or won't change but who is the number #1 QB right now and who is most likely to win that job, Tommy Rees.

Its not alarming and everything most of expected. And with the defense we have you can be comfortable making that decision.
And while he is not saying that things can change, I think its apparent that Kelly needs to focus his energy on getting 1 QB ready for the fall. Why not the kid who has been your starter in the past? Hendrix will get his chance but I don't think it amounts to much of a chance to start, and with Kizer now I think Zaire redshirts for sure. (Barring any injuries.)

 

[ACamp1900]

Ugh. I'm all for Tommy being the starter (Team Tommy here), but I still want him to be hungry and fight for it every day in practice, knowing that he has to beat someone else out. I know he's a hard worker and everything, but it's just something about competition that brings out the best in many people.

My thought as well... i don't understand this... whoever the QB is you want them to be hungry.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I am serious. What I am is not part-time ethical, part-time whore when it suits me.

So, you have either never done anything wrong or objectionable, turned yourself in when you did, or you're posturing as some sort of morally superior beacon of ethics on the internet because.....it makes you feel better about yourself or something? People make mistakes and do stupid things. People also learn lessons and feel guilt. You really think the world would be better if nobody ever got away with anything? I know I would be worse off if I was made to pay for every stupid thing I've ever done. I assume most people would be in that boat with me.

 

[LoveThee]

What I want to know is if this student turned him in, what proof did he have on him? Wouldn't it just be Golson's word vs this kids? Unless Golson admitted to it. But I would just keep denying and see what happens if I were him. Oh well.

Tommy time!

 

[NDWorld247]

Haven't read through the entire thread so not totally sure if this has been reported here, but I finally got the full story on Golson after hanging out this weekend with a buddy who happens to be one of our starting LBs:

Golson did, in fact, get caught cheating on an exam. This is not the first time that has happened. In this particular instance, Golson was not caught directly by his professor. Instead, another student saw him cheating and reported it to the professor. Golson then did not notify the coaches or academic advisors of the situation and essentially allowed them to find out from ResLife.

Not that it really matters, but do you know what class this happened in?

 

[JughedJones]

Good to know others can cheat, steal, blackmail, injure, and murder others in front of you.

Oh for the love of Pete.

This is getting ridiculous.

I'm glad I don't know or hang out with people like some of you guys. You're going to judge my behaviors for your idea of values/morals then turn me in to the nearest authority figure if you think I've broken one of them?

Keep your eyes on your own paper, keep your mind on your own business.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Carmelo says, Stop Snitchin'
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[NDBoiler]

How do you guys know the student wasn't in fact a friend of Golson? How do you guys know the student did not give Golson a chance to turn himself in?

What is in Golson's best interest? Being caught in his sin and having the chance to own up to it now, or getting away with it and developing a habit of cheating to get by?



Hazarding a guess will almost always make you look stupid. You have no facts, you have nothing. Why are you so upset about this? Be honest. Because this other student's actions affected your football watching experience. Who is the selfish one now?

How do you know the student is the one who tried to "handle [solving] it?"

For a lawyer, you're sure full of conclusions based on speculation and supposition.

I am serious. What I am is not part-time ethical, part-time whore when it suits me.

Oh for the love of Pete.

This is getting ridiculous.

I'm glad I don't know or hang out with people like some of you guys. You're going to judge my behaviors for your idea of values/morals then turn me in to the nearest authority figure if you think I've broken one of them?

Keep your eyes on your own paper, keep your mind on your own business.

You're going to potentially hurt other people or myself and expect me to just be fine with it? You're right, we should probably also just ignore those signs in many public places now days that say "If you see something, say something", becuase it would be better off to just to mind our own business.

This IS getting ridiculous.

EDIT: I understand my point is not directly related to cheating in a classroom per se, but rather it is aimed at the broad generalizations being made.

 

[Emcee77]

However you feel about cheating, snitching is worse. There are two crimes I would go to the police about: child molestation and rape. Otherwise, let the authorities do their own job and mind your own business.

Having said all of that, Golson deserves to get put on timeout if he was cheating. I'm not OK with cheating, I just don't condone snitching.

Wait what? Informing authorities of wrongdoing when you are complicit or involved in the wrongdoing is not honorable, exactly, and I guess I could agree that that kind of "snitching" is worthy of contempt. But an innocent student sees Golson making a mockery of student athletes, and you think he was wrong to say something?

Also, how would the authorities do their jobs if citizens didn't come forward with knowledge of wrongdoing? Police can't be all places at all times, and victims don't always know who victimized them. Are you saying that if you saw someone dump a body in the Dumpster in the alley behind your building, you think the right thing to do would be to say nothing? Rhode, you are too smart to really mean this.

 

[JughedJones]

You're going to potentially hurt other people or myself and expect me to just be fine with it? You're right, we should probably just ignore those signs in many public places now days that say "If you see something, say something", becuase it would be better off to just to mind our own business.

This IS getting ridiculous.

Well that would be your business wouldn't it?

Get a grip.


How is snitching on someone for cheating on a paper being conflated with tolerating murder and terrorism?

Take a breath.

 

[dublinirish]

Andy Bernard drops an ethics bomb. - YouTube

BOOM!

Nothing wrong with debating ethics guys.

Tbh, I wouldnt steal the bread but also feed my family.

 

[irishog77]

Oh for the love of Pete.

This is getting ridiculous.

I'm glad I don't know or hang out with people like some of you guys. You're going to judge my behaviors for your idea of values/morals then turn me in to the nearest authority figure if you think I've broken one of them?

Keep your eyes on your own paper, keep your mind on your own business.

Says the guy who chimed in on posts that didn't concern him.

As for the rest of your post, I was pointing out the hole in Rhode's post. If he's going to make posts with a strong, specific claims, then he should be able to back it up. And he does.

(Disclaimer for you and whoever else feels the need to chime in- Rhode and I agree with very little outside of ND football...but he's one of my favorite posters here. He and I do this from time. We've exchanged PM's before. I like the guy, it's not personal. We just sometimes like to "discuss" this on here.)

 

[JughedJones]

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Says the guy who chimed in on posts that didn't concern him.

As for the rest of your post, I was pointing out the hole in Rhode's post. If he's going to make posts with a strong, specific claims, then he should be able to back it up. And he does.

(Disclaimer for you and whoever else feels the need to chime in- Rhode and I agree with very little outside of ND football...but he's one of my favorite posters here. He and I do this from time. We've exchanged PM's before. I like the guy, it's not personal. We just sometimes like to "discuss" this on here.)

Dude... you're becoming unhinged.

"Feel a need to chime in?"

"Posts that don't concern me"

Really...

 

[NDBoiler]

Well that would be your business wouldn't it?

Get a grip.


How is snitching on someone for cheating on a paper being conflated with tolerating murder and terrorism?

Take a breath.

Read my edit to my original post further clarifiying my point as well as greyhammer's post #1026 about the potential implications for others on cheating. That then would indeed make it my business if I was in that situation (the situation greyhammer referenced) in that classroom.

The whole concept of "snitching" is just a cheat's/criminal's way to attach a negative connotation to an act by others when they otherwise mean to say "just let me do whatever I want regardless of how it impacts you or other people because I should be allowed to do whatever I want, as my needs/wants are more important."

 

[ShawneeIrish]

How do you guys know the student wasn't in fact a friend of Golson? How do you guys know the student did not give Golson a chance to turn himself in?

What is in Golson's best interest? Being caught in his sin and having the chance to own up to it now, or getting away with it and developing a habit of cheating to get by?



Hazarding a guess will almost always make you look stupid. You have no facts, you have nothing. Why are you so upset about this? Be honest. Because this other student's actions affected your football watching experience. Who is the selfish one now?

What in the world are you talking about? I said "hazard a guess" because I have no facts. It would make me look stupid if I said something like "I know" or "I bet," rather I said it was a guess because I do not know, but would make a guess based on life experience and inference. Feel free to disagree, but making a guess does not make one look stupid unless it is out of the realm or possibility or passed off as more than a simple guess.

Also I am not "so upset" about this. I laid out my position that Golson was wrong for cheating, but that the student also should have stayed out of it. Has nothing to do with football, has to do with my belief that in society people should not be so willing to rat someone out for something like this. The football side of things is on Golson for doing the wrong thing, that I did find disappointing. However, there are much bigger problems in the world that I find actually upsetting. I have an opinion on the matter, but it does not make me "so upset."

 

[RDU Irish]

So, you have either never done anything wrong or objectionable, turned yourself in when you did, or you're posturing as some sort of morally superior beacon of ethics on the internet because.....it makes you feel better about yourself or something? People make mistakes and do stupid things. People also learn lessons and feel guilt. You really think the world would be better if nobody ever got away with anything? I know I would be worse off if I was made to pay for every stupid thing I've ever done. I assume most people would be in that boat with me.

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[Emcee77]

Oh for the love of Pete.

This is getting ridiculous.

I'm glad I don't know or hang out with people like some of you guys. You're going to judge my behaviors for your idea of values/morals then turn me in to the nearest authority figure if you think I've broken one of them?

Keep your eyes on your own paper, keep your mind on your own business.

I'm not sure the idea of judgment comes into play here. I feel comfortable assuming that the student who caught Golson cheating was certain he was cheating. I also feel comfortable saying that cheating is clearly wrong. This isn't a case where the informer had to be worried that he was needlessly harassing someone who was doing something innocent. Further, it's everyone's responsibility to report cheating. It's hardly a victimless crime. Crimes that undermine our institutions make victims of all of us.

Not saying that I would judge ANYONE who noticed Golson cheating and didn't report it. Honestly, I'm not sure I would have reported Golson. In college I had to do a group project with one of our starting defensive tackles; he didn't show up for one meeting and I just did his portion of the project for him and told him what to say (we got an A). Am I proud of that? No, but it was the path of least resistance and my own grade was on the line. So I am in no way trying to claim any moral high ground. But the position that the person who informed on Golson somehow did something wrong is indefensible.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Wait what? Informing authorities of wrongdoing when you are complicit or involved in the wrongdoing is not honorable, exactly, and I guess I could agree that that kind of "snitching" is worthy of contempt. But an innocent student sees Golson making a mockery of student athletes, and you think he was wrong to say something?

Also, how would the authorities do their jobs if citizens didn't come forward with knowledge of wrongdoing? Police can't be all places at all times, and victims don't always know who victimized them. Are you saying that if you saw someone dump a body in the Dumpster in the alley behind your building, you think the right thing to do would be to say nothing? Rhode, you are too smart to really mean this.

That's why they get paid the big bucks, I guess. I do see some sort of difference between answering questions you are asked versus running to spill your guts to someone. If I saw a crime and cop tracked me down to ask me what I saw, I'd consider answering his questions. Depends on the crime, I guess. But I'm not going to do the cops' job for them, either.

 

[rocket66]

Ugh. I'm all for Tommy being the starter (Team Tommy here), but I still want him to be hungry and fight for it every day in practice, knowing that he has to beat someone else out. I know he's a hard worker and everything, but it's just something about competition that brings out the best in many people.

I'm actually looking at it the opposite way. The kid has had to look over his shoulder his entire career at ND, and i think it has forced him into mistakes on the field at times (trying to do too much or make plays that weren't necessary). I think it's perfect for his psyche to know the job is his this time. He's a senior leader on the team and deserves to be named the clear cut #1. BK knows exactly whats he's doing here and is handling it perfectly, IMO.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Why do I get the sense this topic will lead to at least 1 member here earning a vacation from the site? On a somewhat related note, word is it was Gunner that dropped the dime. No other info available at this time.

 

[irishog77]

Dude... you're becoming unhinged.

"Feel a need to chime in?"

"Posts that don't concern me"

Really...

I'M CALMER THAN YOU!!!!!!!

Seriously though, I do find it odd that you would tell others to mind their own business...when you're not practicing what you're preaching.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I debated a fair while before typing this.

When I was a chemistry major at Notre Dame --- well, I was a very naive and fearful 19 year old. I feared flunking out [all my fault; WAY too much ad hoc basketball in the Rock] and I also feared that if I cheated to slip by an occasional really tough exam, I'd get caught. This was a battle held inside me on no "ethical grounds" whatsoever. Sure my Dad had given me every good advice you could get, but he wasn't there at the moment, and I was scared.

So, I found a way to cheat. These things were tests in subjects like Physics and Physical Chemistry and they were loaded with dozens of formulas. I was getting one confused with the other --- again all my fault due to the basketball and other teenage goofing off. I rationalized that in the real world I'd just open up my Handbook of Chemistry and Physics and there'd they be. Why flunk out on a memory issue? It was a ploy I ran on myself but it worked.

Back in those ancient times, we had to use old style slide rules. It was possible if you printed VERY small, that you could get maybe 8 or so of the most problematical formulas on the thick edges --- someone else showed me this gimmick. So I did. I was scared, and I did. I was 19 and I did.

Those moments were some of the most nerve-racking moments of my life. But I passed --- mostly --- on one Physical Chemistry exam I didn't do it, went complete Blank during the test and flunked the final. Justice of a weird sort no doubt.

My life did work out in the end. I did actually learn the material, went to graduate school, grew up finally, got two Masters and a PHD, and was a very good college teacher --- being a real terror in that I could spot someone cheating a classroom away.

What's the bottom line? What I did wasn't right. It also wasn't the most horrible atrocity ever wreaked by modern man. I was fortunate to ultimately grow up, even becoming a scholar. Dad would not have been proud of me at 19, but he was very proud of me at 30.

I have a great deal of difficulty getting behind the almost witch-hunt viciousness of some members of the Board about all manner of failures and fears and frailities in the young people we are often discussing.

I remember 19.

 

[Cackalacky]

Why do I get the sense this topic will lead to at least 1 member here earning a vacation from the site? On a somewhat related note, word is it was Gunner that dropped the dime. No other info available at this time.

If this is in anyway true...... what a douche. I hope you are kidding. Is that like a drop the mic I'm out bit?

 

[ShawneeIrish]

I debated a fair while before typing this.

When I was a chemistry major at Notre Dame --- well, I was a very naive and fearful 19 year old. I feared flunking out [all my fault; WAY too much ad hoc basketball in the Rock] and I also feared that if I cheated to slip by an occasional really tough exam, I'd get caught. This was a battle held inside me on no "ethical grounds" whatsoever. Sure my Dad had given me every good advice you could get, but he wasn't there at the moment, and I was scared.

So, I found a way to cheat. These things were tests in subjects like Physics and Physical Chemistry and they were loaded with dozens of formulas. I was getting one confused with the other --- again all my fault due to the basketball and other teenage goofing off. I rationalized that in the real world I'd just open up my Handbook of Chemistry and Physics and there'd they be. Why flunk out on a memory issue? It was a ploy I ran on myself but it worked.

Back in those ancient times, we had to use old style slide rules. It was possible if you printed VERY small, that you could get maybe 8 or so of the most problematical formulas on the thick edges --- someone else showed me this gimmick. So I did. I was scared, and I did. I was 19 and I did.

Those moments were some of the most nerve-racking moments of my life. But I passed --- mostly --- on one Physical Chemistry exam I didn't do it, went complete Blank during the test and flunked the final. Justice of a weird sort no doubt.

My life did work out in the end. I did actually learn the material, went to graduate school, grew up finally, got two Masters and a PHD, and was a very good college teacher --- being a real terror in that I could spot someone cheating a classroom away.

What's the bottom line? What I did wasn't right. It also wasn't the most horrible atrocity ever wreaked by modern man. I was fortunate to ultimately grow up, even becoming a scholar. Dad would not have been proud of me at 19, but he was very proud of me at 30.

I have a great deal of difficulty getting behind the almost witch-hunt viciousness of some members of the Board about all manner of failures and fears and frailities in the young people we are often discussing.

I remember 19.

Excellent post and perspective. Reps.

 

[JughedJones]

I'M CALMER THAN YOU!!!!!!!

Seriously though, I do find it odd that you would tell others to mind their own business...when you're not practicing what you're preaching.

Right on, I don't mean to get personal. However, this is a message board that I'm and active member of. We have discussions, ergo, they concern me.

 

[JughedJones]

Why do I get the sense this topic will lead to at least 1 member here earning a vacation from the site? On a somewhat related note, word is it was Gunner that dropped the dime. No other info available at this time.

If this is the case, it illustrates the points of Rhode and I perfectly.

 

[tadman95]

At the end of the day, and despite the the other arguments going on, the is on and about Everett.

I hope he has the inner strength to right this. Tough lesson that could affect him for years.

Time to step up young Golson, this is life, show'em what you got.

 

[Grahambo]

Some of you should close the browser, step outside, take a breath, then come back.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I am serious. What I am is not part-time ethical, part-time whore when it suits me.

I am interested in the time you spend being a whore. LOL!

 

[Cackalacky]

My thought as well... i don't understand this... whoever the QB is you want them to be hungry.

Its a set up. 3 games in we see Malik.