London Man Hacked to Death in Broad Daylight by Muslim Terrorists

[LoveThee]

If you're Christian, you believe in the bible. If you don't believe in the bible, you're not Christian. You don't get to pick and choose what parts you like best.

I already see this is not going anywhere with you so I'm not commenting on it further.

Some people believe in the Bible literally and others take it as a figurative text meant to teach lessons.

Either way the killing over religion is ridiculous

 

[IrishinTN]

Are we sure they weren't white supremists or Tea Party activists?

 

[Irishnuke]

If someone wants to talk to me about my comment PM me. Not trying to get this thread off topic.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

I doubt there would be anyone carrying just walking by if this was in a US major city suburb, BUT since they were just standing on that corner, soliciting people to shoot video of them, I would run into my house and grab a pistol and if they tried to hurt anyone before the police arrived I'd shoot them. Twice, each, center mast.

Center mass.

Just saying

I'm indoctrinated. That was my inner sailor talking.

 

[greyhammer90]

Speak for yourself. I'm still a Christian and believe in the bible. I'm not changing my faith because its "not cool" to say you believe in God anymore. I agree we shouldn't be killing over religion, but you're misrepresenting "we." I would hope you'd find many others on this site that share my belief.

If you're Christian, you believe in the bible. If you don't believe in the bible, you're not Christian. You don't get to pick and choose what parts you like best.

I already see this is not going anywhere with you so I'm not commenting on it further.

"If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

"If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

 

[greyhammer90]

Some people believe in the Bible literally and others take it as a figurative text meant to teach lessons.

Either way the killing over religion is ridiculous

Bingo.

 

[IrishinTN]

Folks, not sure how this turned into a bible quoting match, but when quoting the old testament, remember that was completed with the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus. He, by His own account, gave us a New Testament whereby most of the Old Testament was fulfilled (by the blood of he Messiah) so no longer applies. He told us specifically which was to be continued.

 

[greyhammer90]

Folks, not sure how this turned into a bible quoting match, but when quoting the old testament, remember that was completed with the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus. He, by His own account, gave us a New Testament whereby most of the Old Testament was fulfilled (by the blood of he Messiah) so no longer applies. He told us specifically which was to be continued.

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

That's your interpretation, and if I don't agree with your interpretation according to Nuke I can say you are not a Christian.

 

[magogian]

Well, the Brits should stop invading Muslim lands. Root causes my friends. Root causes.

 

[Irishnuke]

"If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

"If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Those were Old Testament ceremonial laws that were done away with when Christ was crucified for our sins.

I tried to keep this thread from turning into a religious debate by editing my post and asking to take it to pm but you wanted the last word. Sorry for derailing the thread, but I stand by my statement. PM me if you'd like but get the thread back on topic.

 

[IrishinTN]

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

That's your interpretation, and if I don't agree with your interpretation according to Nuke I can say you are not a Christian.

Could be the sticking point, but I get it.

This thread was started because people were fighting over religion. And now we are fighting over religion. See how easy it is? grin:

 

[greyhammer90]

Could be the sticking point, but I get it.

This thread was started because people were fighting over religion. And now we are fighting over religion. See how easy it is? grin:

Sorry I sometimes get a little tense when someone says that I don't belong to my own religion if I don't interpret the bible in the same way they do.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

At least you're not trying to kill each other. Reps?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Sorry I sometimes get a little tense when someone says that I don't belong to my own religion if I don't interpret the bible in the same way they do.

Agreed. I've had that said to me twice on IE. Not really a fair thing to do because of course I want to challenge the claim but I also don't want to derail a thread. At least this thread is related to religion.

This whole situation is crazy. I have no idea what to make of this attack. Very scary stuff.

 

[greyhammer90]

At least you're not trying to kill each other. Reps?

 

[autry_denson]

Sorry I sometimes get a little tense when someone says that I don't belong to my own religion if I don't interpret the bible in the same way they do.

Reps. Every once in a while a thread derailment on a controversial issue is useful - here your point was made crystal clear and the inconsistencies of Irishnuke's series of posts were glaring.

And I think I can say with confidence that this last quote has a whole lot of us nodding to ourselves.

 

[phork]

Would Jesus be a concealed carrier?

 

[rikkitikki08]

not trying to be an *** but why is this surprising, killing over religion goes back centuries.

Its not surprising, and i don't need a history lesson. Just because people have been killed over religion for centuries doesn't make it any less ignorant

 

[NDdomer2]

Its not surprising, and i don't need a history lesson. Just because people have been killed over religion for centuries doesn't make it any less ignorant

didn't see any lessons and there is no quiz, i also never stated it wasnt ignorant.

 

[rikkitikki08]

didn't see any lessons and there is no quiz, i also never stated it wasnt ignorant.

Sorry man, late night and im still upset about the Pacer game.......shouldn't have come off like that

 

[NDdomer2]

Sorry man, late night and im still upset about the Pacer game.......shouldn't have come off like that

its cool man my comment yesterday was more about just people in general thinking this is some new it thing with the Boston attacks and what not.

It is absolutely senseless but my thinking is starting to go towards the, "this happened in the 1200's, the 1300's, the 1400's, and so on. Why would I be believe that it wont have in year 3000? "

I know wikipedia isn't the best resource for information but I looked up "religious war" and it notes that most wars use religion as an easy cop out to explain differences and was used as an object of attack in order to weaken the opponent. I think that would still be the case as there is no war on Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, the war is against terrorism, and unfortunately for those who believe in Muslim or Islam, the terrorirsts happen to have those beliefs.

No hard feelings here man. and the Pacers game upset me as well.

 

[BobD]

Senseless and sad.

I hope they can track down the jackass that put this into the minds of those two idiot pawns.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Good thing they have gun control in the UK.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I can't fukin beleive no one tried to help that poor man. No one even tried to go after them while they were just standing around taunting the body of an innocent, they're waiting for the bobbies to arrive... This is when conceled right to carry could have maybe saved a life... Go try and do that in the US I guarentee a group of people would have been trying to beat the hell out of the bastards in the streets. I hope they rot in helll

Tell that to Kitty Genovese.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Good thing they have gun control in the UK.

Yes no gun control keeps the murder rates down as we've proven.

 

[ACamp1900]

Good thing they have gun control in the UK.

Yes no gun control keeps the murder rates down as we've proven.

No.

Their rates have ALWAYS been lower than ours... Regardless of what laws we/they have had... Just a flat out different situation and culture altogether... But good try.


Look at the Swiss... They have more guns and more lax laws than the UK... Better rates typically speaking... Do the English point to them as an example as to why they should toss guns laws???,.. They probably do... Lol... but they'd be wrong also... Again different **** entirely each time.

 

[phgreek]

Would Jesus be a concealed carrier?

uhm...dude's touch cured leppers and blind folks...thinking he was good w/what he was carryin'

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Yes no gun control keeps the murder rates down as we've proven.

The point was that if people want to kill, they're going to kill. Doesn't matter if you live in gangland Chicago or the UK.

 

[swole1]

Sorry I sometimes get a little tense when someone says that I don't belong to my own religion if I don't interpret the bible in the same way they do.

+1 Great Post!

 

[Rambler09]

I would like to point out that saying that this act was due to religion isn't quite right. The justification that they provided in the video was not a religious one but one of vengeance on behalf of an international population with which they identify (Muslims). It seems to be about vengeance for a population rather than for a religion.

You might argue that religion provides a further line (and lines divide and can cause war) by which people can then justify fighting each other... but this act does not seem to be motivated directly by religion.