'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[greyhammer90]

from Loy he is hearing this is more of a "change of heart"
He has un followed all the kids he followed from ND on Instagram
I know I told you guys earlier that from what I heard he will show up, but after I talked to someone earlier this afternoon it doesn't look good. I will change my prediction.

 

[L-cart ND-ana]

If he does not come to South Bend, and if he is indeed wanting to go to UCLA, could Notre Dame block UCLA? What are the rules or guidelines for blocking a school or multiple schools?

 

[ACamp1900]

EV was by far my favorite recruit, but if he doesn't want to be Irish....glad he figured it out before wasting our coaches time. There are good chances we run the table again and we won't have to sell like 10 zig ziglers.

IDK... if he just flat out refuses to come I say he did waste the staff's time... would they have pushed for quality guys that are now off the table, like Smith or others had they known sooner?? This is a big loss moving forward, at some point the Tee Sheps, Lynch's and Vanderdoes' (assuming this is done) are the reason you don't run tables and watch other team do so instead... this is a trend that has got to stop...

 

[greyhammer90]

If he does not come to South Bend, and if he is indeed wanting to go to UCLA, could Notre Dame block UCLA? What are the rules or guidelines for blocking a school or multiple schools?

I mean we could, but why would we? It's not going to keep him here and we don't play UCLA. You could maybe make the argument that they are recruiting rivals in LA with us but that's a hard sell.

The only reason we have to block UCLA is basically to be petty to an 18 yr old.

 

[loomis41973]

Seemed like a possible great talent...but if you don't want to be here, best of luck elsewhere

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What's bullshit is that UCLA isn't allowed to have contact with EV after he signed the LOI. So explain to me how he's been orchestrating this without contact from UCLA?

Hard to believe there hasn't been tampering here.

The only reason we have to block UCLA is basically to be petty to an 18 yr old.

We refuse to let him out of LOI because we invested a huge amount of resources in his recruitment. At that point, he could either go JC or come to ND and tough it out for a year. Then we have a chance to remind of him of why he picked the Irish to begin with.

 

[SoIll]

he isn't even that good

 

[IrishLax]

Bottom line is that you don't get out of LOIs. If I'm Notre Dame I'm not releasing him to anywhere and I'm making him sit out at least a year anywhere. Because this is total horse crap unless someone on the staff really effed up to cataclysmic levels.

 

[IrishHokie22]

This kind of sh*t makes professional football look like a blessing. At least we know when a guy signs a contract in that forum what it means.

Agreed completely. Not to sound butthurt or anything, but this is a reason why I greatly prefer the NFL to college football (it's not the only reason). I hate college football recruiting, and how even getting a kid to sign a LOI doesn't make things a done deal anymore. At least when a player is drafted he can either sign and play with the team that drafted him, or hurt himself by holding out.

Looks like he's gone. Good luck to him, I guess.

 

[greyhammer90]

Hard to believe there hasn't been tampering here.



We refuse to let him out of LOI because we invested a huge amount of resources in his recruitment. At that point, he could either go JC or come to ND and tough it out for a year. Then we have a chance to remind of him of why he picked the Irish to begin with.

I want him to be Irish too and there is a part of me that wants to "stick-it" to him. But come on, we invested those resources "recruiting" him. We do the same thing to plenty of kids that don't sign on the dotted line. Using those resources as a reason to punish after the fact seems like coming up with an excuse to me.

(Argument holds more water if the coaching staff has expended a large amount of time/effort/expense since his recruitment to try and get him to follow through with his LOI. But even then it's a pretty weak argument when we're sending private jets out to visit kids who we have a 1/100 chance of signing on a daily basis.)

 

[tadman95]

Hard to believe there hasn't been tampering here.



We refuse to let him out of LOI because we invested a huge amount of resources in his recruitment. At that point, he could either go JC or come to ND and tough it out for a year. Then we have a chance to remind of him of why he picked the Irish to begin with.

LOI lose their purpose if not enforced. I wouldn't want to be mean but we don't have to cut anyone any breaks either. I agree about the tampering, hard to believe there hasn't been any.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

We refuse to let him out of LOI because we invested a huge amount of resources in his recruitment. At that point, he could either go JC or come to ND and tough it out for a year. Then we have a chance to remind of him of why he picked the Irish to begin with.

This is part of it. The other thing which drives me nuts with the transfer discussion lately is the fact that the LOI creates a two-way obligation. If you sign one the school must honor your scholarship and you agree to go to that school. What the hell is the point of the LOI and NSD if a kid can decide in May that he wants to go somewhere else? We shouldn't let him out of it because he signed a LOI which binds him to ND.

And to the other point, which I deleted from the quote for some reason, this is yet another sketchy off-season situation in which it seems implausible that a school wasn't illegally in contact with a player.

 

[greyhammer90]

To be clear I'm not saying that we shouldn't make him be ineligible for a year... that's the punishment for pulling this kind of sh*t, and everyone knows it. I'm just not a fan of any team not allowing a transfer to a non-opponent, absent exigent circumstances. (Which there may be here, I don't know.)

 

[TheChosen1]

If it was going to get worked out, why hasn't it already? This isn't recent news. And the rumors I believe indicate an issue with ND coaches among other things and I don't see how you resolve that because the coaches aren't going anywhere. The only saving grace comes from him having signed an LOI which means this is really murky waters if he is in fact qualified.

Just don't see it all resolving itself now that the cat is finally out of the bag. Maybe it does because EV's hand is forced by the LOI but I'm really not optimistic.

Agree completely if this has been a hush hush rumor for a week now it's not good that its still a rumor and not resolved


Ahh well looks like I'm going to have to follow @SacBee_JoeD once again...

 

[Irishman77]

Hard to believe there hasn't been tampering here.



We refuse to let him out of LOI because we invested a huge amount of resources in his recruitment. At that point, he could either go JC or come to ND and tough it out for a year. Then we have a chance to remind of him of why he picked the Irish to begin with.

Agree. At some point kids need to understand they signed a contract. A kids word means nothing anymore and letting the tail wag the dog cannot become precedent.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Bottom line is that you don't get out of LOIs. If I'm Notre Dame I'm not releasing him to anywhere and I'm making him sit out at least a year anywhere. Because this is total horse crap unless someone on the staff really effed up to cataclysmic levels.

Agreed. If something went very wrong on our end, ND should let him out on principle. Otherwise, it's JC or come to ND for a year.

I want him to be Irish too and there is a part of me that wants to "stick-it" to him. But come on, we invested those resources "recruiting" him. We do the same thing to plenty of kids that don't sign on the dotted line. Using those resources as a reason to punish after the fact seems like coming up with an excuse to me.

(Argument holds more water if the coaching staff has expended a large amount of time/effort/expense since his recruitment to try and get him to follow through with his LOI. But even then it's a pretty weak argument when we're sending private jets out to visit kids who we have a 1/100 chance of signing on a daily basis.)

What if there's been tampering by Mora's staff? What if making him honor his LOI (which virtually every other BCS school would do as well) causes him to show up and fall in love with ND again?

We're not sending the kid to a North Korean labor camp. He's getting, at the minimum, a free year of education at Notre Dame. If he's sure he wants out, he can redshirt and transfer immediately after the 2013 season.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

To be clear I'm not saying that we shouldn't make him be ineligible for a year... that's the punishment for pulling this kind of sh*t, and everyone knows it. I'm just not a fan of any team not allowing a transfer to a non-opponent, absent exigent circumstances. (Which there may be here, I don't know.)

I'm not suggesting we block UCLA. But we absolutely shouldn't let him out of his LOI. Which means his options are: (1) pay his own way at UCLA for a year; (2) take a scholarship at ND for a year; or (3) go to a JC for a year. If he opts for (1) or (3), "blocking" doesn't even come into play, because there's nothing we could do to stop him.

 

[EMAN51]

Seems like simply a confused young man. Remember he decommited from USC. The comments about the reasons for initially choosing SC and then ND were virtually identical ("perfect fit"), etc. The luster and excitement of signing day and the recruiting chase have faded and the reality of leaving home has overwhelmed him. I never felt he was entirely sold on his decision, but he did "say the right things" on social media for a while. Hope he makes the decision that his signing day decision was the best one.

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm not suggesting we block UCLA. But we absolutely shouldn't let him out of his LOI. Which means his options are: (1) pay his own way at UCLA for a year; (2) take a scholarship at ND for a year; or (3) go to a JC for a year.

There's not much point in arguing this anyway, as schools simply don't let kids out of their LOIs.

Ok. I agree then.

 

[Emcee77]

Yeah, I don't think it's appropriate to let him out of the LOI just due to a change of heart for the reasons FSU's AD gave regarding Matthew Thomas. If you let kids out of the LOI just because they want you to, then it becomes meaningless, and in my view it sends the wrong message. After I sign a contract to buy my new house, I can't just change my mind and get out of the deal without losing the earnest money. Similarly, kids shouldn't be able to break their LOIs, leaving the signing institution at a disadvantage, without paying the penalty.

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/...s-no-plans-release-wavering-LB-Matthew-Thomas

The consequences for breaking an LOI are serious though. As that article puts it, EV would have to sit out a year, and then he would have 3 years to play 3 seasons, instead of 5 years to play 4 seasons if he sticks with ND. That's a scary situation ... if you get hurt for a season, that's just two seasons to play football. Really impacts your playing career. I feel like EV would have to be really, really anti-ND to want to do that. He'd be better off just playing at ND as a frosh and then transferring, if he still wants to after a year. Then he'd still get to play 4 seasons.

 

[greyhammer90]

One thing is for certain though, no matter how many people keep saying "we lost Lynch and we were fine", we can't keep bleeding 5/high 4 star recruits like this every single year.

Even Alabama would feel a sting from losing the blue-chippers that keep slipping through our fingers every year.

 

[loomis41973]

One thing is for certain though, no matter how many people keep saying "we lost Lynch and we were fine", we can't keep bleeding 5/high 4 star recruits like this every single year.

Even Alabama would feel a sting from losing the blue-chippers that keep slipping through our fingers every year.

Who is lighting it up that we have lost?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The consequences for breaking an LOI are serious though. As that article puts it, EV would have to sit out a year, and then he would have 3 years to play 3 seasons, instead of 5 years to play 4 seasons if he sticks with ND. That's a scary situation ... if you get hurt for a season, that's just two seasons to play football. Really impacts your playing career. I feel like EV would have to be really, really anti-ND to want to do that. He'd be better off just playing at ND as a frosh and then transferring, if he still wants to after a year. Then he'd still get to play 4 seasons.

Absolutely. As I mentioned above, if he's 100% certain ND isn't for him, he can play in South Bend as a freshman, transfer immediately after the 2013 season, have his "redshirt" year run concurrently with his 1-year transfer penalty, and then still have 3 years to play at his school of choice. All that, and he gets a 1-year scholarship at an elite academic institution.

If he chooses to break his LOI, he can either: (1) sit at home for a year; (2) pay his own way to UCLA (but not play as a freshman); or (3) go to a JC. And then he'd still lose a year of eligibility on top of that.

Showing up at ND this June is definitely his best play.

 

[TheChosen1]

Absolutely. As I mentioned above, if he's 100% certain ND isn't for him, he can play in South Bend as a freshman, transfer immediately after the 2013 season, have his "redshirt" year run concurrently with his 1-year transfer penalty, and then still have 3 years to play at his school of choice. All that, and he gets a 1-year scholarship at an elite academic institution.

If he chooses to break his LOI, he can either: (1) sit at home for a year; (2) pay his own way to UCLA (but not play as a freshman); or (3) go to a JC. And then he'd still lose a year of eligibility on top of that.

Showing up at ND this June is definitely his best play.

So would Kelly take him if ND is his 3rd and best option and only now has to go there

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So would Kelly take him if ND is his 3rd and best option and only now has to go there

Of course. His potential is monstrous, and he said all the right things about picking ND. If we can get him on campus, all bets are off. In fact, if he shows up for camp, even if it's clearly under protest due to NCAA-restricted options, I'd bet on him sticking around.

 

[arrowryan]

So even a LOI doesn't mean anything anymore. A commitment is about the same thing as putting your name on the dotted line

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NDNation">#NDNation</a>let's write to Eddie ! There's no place like The University of Notre Dame🍀</p>— Jaylon Smith (@JaeeSmiff9ENT) <a href="https://twitter.com/JaeeSmiff9ENT/status/336650130453311489">May 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Sherm Sticky]

I'm a little late to the party. Can someone fill me in?

 

[IrishHokie22]

Gotta love Jaylon Smith...

 

[arrowryan]

I'm a little late to the party. Can someone fill me in?

Rumors have it EV is having a "change of heart".