'14 CO ATH Nathan Starks (UCLA Verbal)

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It was a fake account. Wright stayed off Twitter.



Can you honestly say, in retrospect, that ND didn't do the right thing for Floyd? He turned his life around and became wildly successful, which both parties are still enjoying to this day. Sounds like you had a comfy seat on the moral high horse, and the University's lack of a knee-jerk draconian response made your seat uncomfortable.

It's the same account he actually has.

I think you're right in your argument. But you remember Kyle McAlarney? Will Yeatman? Why Mike received a very less punishment? I think it was because he was a football star. But well, this is the past and it's lose time. I respect all opinions.
 

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Im sure BGIF would know this but didn't Lou and Cerrato recruit a lot of players that had questionable character concerns and borderline grades?
 

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So, in your estimation, what was the adequate response as punishment for what Mike did? Not snarky. Legit question. As for Nathan, I don't think we will be recruiting him any longer, but he will get his shot at redemption somewhere. His story isn't over, and I hope positive things ultimately come out of whatever negative he may have done. People make mistakes. ND no longer recruiting him doesn't make him a bad kid for life.

To me Mike is a great kid and i think the same for Nathan. I'm not saying the opposite. I am only asking why people think we are stopping to recruit Nathan, because i think Kelly is not the type of person who rejects a kid for a bad action, like Mike or Yuri.
 

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It's the same account he actually has.

I think you're right in your argument. But you remember Kyle McAlarney? Will Yeatman? Why Mike received a very less punishment? I think it was because he was a football star. But well, this is the past and it's lose time. I respect all opinions.

Im not sure of this but did Mikes timing have anything to do with punishment? March 21st arrest and start of season in late aug?
 

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It's the same account he actually has.

Yes. He deleted his account, and someone else recreated it shortly thereafter. Same thing that happened with the Lennay Kekua account.

I think you're right in your argument. But you remember Kyle McAlarney? Will Yeatman? Why Mike received a very less punishment? I think it was because he was a football star. But well, this is the past and it's lose time. I respect all opinions.

I'm not proud of how the University treated some its former athletes, and I'm glad they're taking a more collaborative approach now. There's nothing hypocritical in that.

But I also understand that many fans and alumni pointed to ND's former disciplinary record with pride as an example of ND's integrity. What we have to understand is that our petty arguments with rival fanbases are fairly meaningless when compared to the welfare of our players, the program, and the University.

This comes up in discussions over scheduling as well; many enjoy being able to beat their chests about playing the "best", and disparage the thought of playing any team that's not a national power. Such a schedule would be good for bar stool bragging rights, but quite bad for our post-season prospects.
 
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"A bad action?" Selling drugs isn't a singular action though. It requires a person contemplating it, contacting another dealer, collecting money to purchase drugs, meeting a dealer to make drug deal, bringing an illegal substance back into your car and home (presumably, and these are things probably provided to him by his parents), developing a price and plan to sell the drugs, contacting potential buyers to let them know about your endeavor, then literally selling the drugs and collecting the money. And that's just for one sell. And then there is the matter of the theft.

I have no idea if Starks actually did these things or not. Even if he did, I don't think he should have every door in life permanently shut on him.

But get real, if he did what he is rumored to have done, he isn't a "great kid" nor only guilty of "a bad action." He's guilty of MULTIPLE bad actions...at the least.
 

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"A bad action?" Selling drugs isn't a singular action though. It requires a person contemplating it, contacting another dealer, collecting money to purchase drugs, meeting a dealer to make drug deal, bringing an illegal substance back into your car and home (presumably, and these are things probably provided to him by his parents), developing a price and plan to sell the drugs, contacting potential buyers to let them know about your endeavor, then literally selling the drugs and collecting the money. And that's just for one sell. And then there is the matter of the theft.

I have no idea if Starks actually did these things or not. Even if he did, I don't think he should have every door in life permanently shut on him.

But get real, if he did what he is rumored to have done, he isn't a "great kid" nor only guilty of "a bad action." He's guilty of MULTIPLE bad actions...at the least.

Im not saying dealing drugs is a good thing, but a lot of you are acting like someone having sold a drug makes them Nino Brown, Tony Montana, or Walter White. A lot of drug deals are not part of some big business plan, many times its someone selling drugs to support their habit or one person among a group of friends knows someone to get drugs from so gets more quantity and distributes it amongst the friends. Not saying that is smart or good, but not what some are construing it to be.
 

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Quote from post # 1275 on Yuri's profile
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And now it's safe for me to report that ND was no longer an option Yuri Wright. Apologies for dodging the question. Hope it all works out."

And another post on Yuri's thread has a link to a pay site but was paraphrased as an interview with Shumate who said Yuri was planning on committing to ND with him until twittergate.

Yuri may have told people ND was still recruiting him but that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe he just wanted to save face and make it seem like the situation wasn't as big a deal as everyone was making it out to be. I don't think ND will continue to recruit Nathan Starks if the rumors are true. Especially since we have one of the top RB's in the country committed. ND didn't do so well at CB recruiting in 2012 when it was all said and done and they still wouldn't take Yuri.
 

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Im not saying dealing drugs is a good thing, but a lot of you are acting like someone having sold a drug makes them Nino Brown, Tony Montana, or Walter White. A lot of drug deals are not part of some big business plan, many times its someone selling drugs to support their habit or one person among a group of friends knows someone to get drugs from so gets more quantity and distributes it amongst the friends. Not saying that is smart or good, but not what some are construing it to be.

Hey now, what you saying about me?
 
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The biggest question I have is how is it made. I know it is synthetic, but how is it cut? I would imagine the safety of the drug would depend on that, but this is coming from a guy that has obviously never used it.

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One thing I'll say is thank god he hasn't committed to Notre Dame yet. Would have been a media shitstorm of "ND recruit kicked out of school for selling drugs"
 
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Putting aside the Nathan Starks quagmire(familiar territory for bogtrotter), Notre Dame has its class of 2014 running back. Atkinson, McDaniel, Carlisle, Mahone, Bryant, Folston, and now, Hood, make for quite a crowd for reps to be carrying a football. I doubt if there is interest, or the possibility of acquiring another quality backfield applicant. On with the motley, Nathan Starks recruitment is but a fond memory!

This bold-ed statement was so ambiguous that I cannot tell whether you are calling me a drug addict; calling my family drug addicts; calling me a know it all; generally being an a$$hat; or just misstating what you meant.

There is a lot of things I notice that I don't say. For example, the school said multiple offenses. Then we hear Molly. Then we hear stolen IPod.

Here is how something like that usually happens Person S has Molly. Person T has an IPod their parents gave them. Person T wants Molly really bad, so he trades his IPod for Molly. When person T's parents find out the IPod is gone the real problem starts. Since both persons S and T are probably, ahem, limited in their experience and rather short sighted, they probably don't realize that every Apple device is serialized to the bone, and that by this time the parents are ready to visit the wrath of god upon all involved as if they are his own right hand.

Here is where it gets tricky because laws vary state to state. If person S and T contract to do something that involves doing something illegal, or for something illegal, (atty's stop me) that is a criminal enterprise. Therefore the contract both entered into is not legal. Therefore person S is in possession of stolen property, having "stolen" it without even trying, or having specific knowledge or even intent to steal it.

This is what we would do to wake kids up. You and you felony theft and conspiracy to commit theft. You dealing dope. You purchasing and possession. Now you have felonies in addition to dope charges; do you want to kiss your life goodbye?

That is all I know.*


* The legitimacy was linking the IPod and the drugs (dealing) for me. This seemed to cement this rumor. It is almost impossible to catch kids dealing dope, unless you have possession of stolen good to lean on people with. Kids don't have a lot of cash, so what would a typically overprivileged kid do?
 
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This bold-ed statement was so ambiguous that I cannot tell whether you are calling me a drug addict; calling my family drug addicts; calling me a know it all; generally being an a$$hat; or just misstating what you meant.

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The bolded statement "familiar territory for BOGtrotter" (emphasis added) immediately followed "quagmire". connect the dots played on a theme you established, nothing more.
 
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Btw I am not sure if this has been reported but Rob Cassidy a rivals bro heard from someone close to the source "you can only give a kid so many chances"
 

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FWIW, I searched Twitter for awhile (no, I was not hired by Swarbrick) on Nathan Starks. Saw a couple tweets from like 2 or 3 days ago saying he was kicked out for weed. Most were by other HS Fball players in area.

Yeah I'm that bored. Been waiting for Red Wings.
 

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Wiltfong said that he expects ND to stay in contact with Starks as the staff have a relationship with him and his family. He did say he is not sure whether ND would accept a commitment from him at the moment though.
 
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I would take a commitment from him. This is the land of second chances and we all have facked up. He would surround himself with wonderful people and a great family feel at Notre Dame. I am sure he knows he messed up and won't do it again. I would welcome Nathan and I know a lot of you won't agree with me but we were all kids once. Still doesn't change the fact he messed up and I understand that.
 
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Does everybody forget the amount of proving that Michael Floyd had to do to get reinstated?
 
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I would take a commitment from him. This is the land of second chances and we all have facked up. He would surround himself with wonderful people and a great family feel at Notre Dame. I am sure he knows he messed up and won't do it again. I would welcome Nathan and I know a lot of you won't agree with me but we were all kids once. Still doesn't change the fact he messed up and I understand that.

I want to agree with you, but we don't know the details yet. Once we know everything about it, we'll have a better idea. If this was a one time, freak incident involving a low amount of whatever the hell Molly is, I think we might still take him. Not sure that's the case, though.
 
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Kuenjha off subject rep me what your name means haha. But it's pretty clear it was drugs but what you said I can agree with.
 

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I would take a commitment from him. This is the land of second chances and we all have facked up. He would surround himself with wonderful people and a great family feel at Notre Dame. I am sure he knows he messed up and won't do it again. I would welcome Nathan and I know a lot of you won't agree with me but we were all kids once. Still doesn't change the fact he messed up and I understand that.

If admissions is willing to give him a second chance then that would be good enough for me.
 

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I think it all depends on how the 'expulsion' or whatever is phrased. If Bishop Gorman makes it amicable and downplays the severity/reasons there's always a chance. It not like he was arrested (right?) so it could just be a catch all 'violation of school policy' officially even if the reason is drugs.

If someone is willing to spill the beans (whatever the truth is...) to admissions and it is something really bad then it's simply a no go. They're going to give a pass to someone with a serious red flag even if it's Aaron Rodgers.
 

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I would take a commitment from him. This is the land of second chances and we all have facked up. He would surround himself with wonderful people and a great family feel at Notre Dame. I am sure he knows he messed up and won't do it again. I would welcome Nathan and I know a lot of you won't agree with me but we were all kids once. Still doesn't change the fact he messed up and I understand that.

My thinking would be along the same lines. If the staff is still in communication with him then I'm hoping that either what he did isn't as bad as some of the early rumours or there is a good explanation to it.

I'd love to have him on the team from a purely selfish point of view, but as you say Notre Dame would also probably be the best place for him personally.
 
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