Who's next 2016?

[GrangerIrish24]

Like when you decommit from one school, get involved with a shady recruiting "expert," appear to be 100% locked-in on a Pac12 school, and then let an SEC power swoop in and steal you at the last minute?

Is someone in particular or just in general?

 

[Cackalacky]

Is someone in particular or just in general?

Blake Barnett.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Oh wow. Completely forgot about him

 

[dublinirish]

PSU's extremely weak schedule guarantees them at least 7 wins every year. It's really sad.

have you seen their non conference schedules also? they love them some MAC

 

[PANDFAN]

He'll play a lot earlier at TN too. Keep in mind though who is coaching at UT, and what offense he wants to run as well.

I think that if he lands at UT, it will be more about early PT and SEC-dazzle. A good season by either UT or ND will go a long way.

Tenn qb position is pretty set w/ Dobbs, then they just got a stud this year so their position isn't set to hand him the keys

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Tenn qb position is pretty set w/ Dobbs, then they just got a stud this year so their position isn't set to hand him the keys

Excellent point sir. Honestly, I really believe Tennessee is on the upswing with it's football program. Since Lane Kiffin abandoned them and Dooley took over it was horrible down there. But things are changing and I expect them to have a breakout year. Mr. Johnson is going to have to compete no matter if it's ND or the Vols.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

The only area of concern I have going forward is DE. We have tons of depth at WR, TE, QB, RB and O-Line after this year. ON Defense with this years class Safety should be an area of depth after this year along with Corner, we have tons of depth at DT and LB, but DE is extremely concerning. How many DB's do you think we take this year? I think Donte Vaughn will committ soon which will put us at 4.

 

[PANDFAN]

Excellent point sir. Honestly, I really believe Tennessee is on the upswing with it's football program. Since Lane Kiffin abandoned them and Dooley took over it was horrible down there. But things are changing and I expect them to have a breakout year. Mr. Johnson is going to have to compete no matter if it's ND or the Vols.

PSU has been very high on his list and would be the least clogged as they wouldn't have a proven player at the position ...hackenburg is gone, then they have a commit from the Aquanis(same hs as jamir) but he was injured last year...my buddy's kid is being recruited and was at a psu camp here past weekend and said this kid was the real deal...idk

 

[woolybug25]

We have to land Johnson. There is simply no excuse.

Close.

 

[BeauBenken]

You guys are worried about trying to land Hunter and I'm over here pumped about Brandon Wimbush and Malik Zaire.

 

[Irish YJ]

Tenn qb position is pretty set w/ Dobbs, then they just got a stud this year so their position isn't set to hand him the keys

UT is definitely on the upswing. I'm more optimistic than I have been in the last 10 years, and can't wait to see them deliver some ass kickin to UGA this year. I like Dobbs, but let's be honest, he's no rock star, not yet. Very smart QB, but a long way to go in the pasinig game. Also has a new OC coming in to deal with (which may be good for the young ones coming in). Definitely the QB UT needs to go with. The team does rally around him, but he's got a lot to prove this year. He's a 2013 guy, so not a big deal to Johnson.

Jennings EE, Jones, and Dormandy EE are all good gets. Jennings could be an absolute stud if he can refine his passing game. Jones got game too. Dormandy a better passer than both, but a pro style. One of those guys IMO will be gone before Johnson would ever hit campus. One of them, I can't remember is also already in trouble (criminal investigation) IIRC.

Ultimately I can see one of the freshman getting PT this year, at least situational. Probably Jennings. Dobbs, if he can stay healthy all year, should be able to fend off the youngster unless he hits a Golson patch.

All that said, I'll take Wimbush before any of the 3 above. 4 if you want to count Dobbs. I'll take MZ before Dobbs, easily. I'd also add that Johnson is on another level compared to the three youngsters. Not saying that he starts day one, but he would be in the competition year 2 (when Dobbs is moving on - assuming he stays as a 5th year).

Given ND's track record, I see Wimbush being BKs conservative choice long term even if Hunter were to come to ND. Conversely, I can see UT's situation a lot more fluid.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

How good is Hunter Johnson coming off the edge?

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

PSU has been very high on his list and would be the least clogged as they wouldn't have a proven player at the position ...hackenburg is gone, then they have a commit from the Aquanis(same hs as jamir) but he was injured last year...my buddy's kid is being recruited and was at a psu camp here past weekend and said this kid was the real deal...idk

Hmmm. We absolutely cannot lose Hunter to ......, wait for it.... (gasp!!) , Penn State! We have to get Mr. Johnson because he's a stud and literally in our own backyard. I could understand PSU being a logical destination based on their depth chart but I truly hope we win this battle. To not do so would be a huge loss. This kid is a special player and I would love to see him at Notre Dame! But.., we all know how the recruiting drama can be. I'll remain cautiously optimistic.

 

[IrishLion]

You guys are worried about trying to land Hunter and I'm over here pumped about Brandon Wimbush and Malik Zaire.

Well, there is a good chance that Wimbush doesn't redshirt this year. With seemingly no QB being taken in this class, that will leave basically a two-year gap, and potentially a 3-year gap depending on redshirts, between Wimbush and whoever the '17 QB may be.

[2017 QB/ NAME] *could* be a RS Freshman when Wimbush is a senior. That's a nice distribution of classes if you're an elite QB looking to be the guy for two or three seasons.

Of course there could be injuries or transfers, but that makes it even more crucial to land Johnson, especially since ND should lock down any elite local talent that pops up. So I think the worry is warranted lol.

 

[NCND]

How good is Hunter Johnson coming off the edge?

LMAO.. Exactly. Give me some blue chip DL

 

[GBdomer]

Wilfong feels Penn State, Loy of course feels ND and now Tennessee. So I guess no one knows?

 

[BobbyMac]

Tennessee will have Guarantano and he's a year younger than Wimbush so there's a roadblock in Knoxville too.

There are going to be good players everywhere, in front of you and then behind you. ND might end up being the best option if Wimbush doesn't redshirt. That will be a lot of separation between BW and HJ... perfect actually. The Irish need to get him if nothing more than to put it's stamp on recruiting. The Irish are back, the roster already says it and this year's results will prove it. Getting the #1 QB and maybe the #1 OA in the country (if he balls out against his new MIC schedule) will be important to lift the recruiting up another notch. Plus, with HJ being in Indiana and the emergence of Indy HS football as a national hotbed, it's important to be the alpha dog in your home market. We all saw how nice it was last year to pick the best the state had to offer and we all saw how shiddy it is when in state targets you need choose elsewhere. (although Robertson might have second thoughts when the Irish are in the playoffs while his teammates are snowmobiling in the U.P.)

Back to what Sampson said about the ND and it's run of Dual Threat QB's. Malik is a dual threat with a way above average arm for a DTQB. Kizer... I'm not sure what Kizer will be if or when he gets the ball. He has a body that will look good standing tall in the pocket but I'll bet he sees himself as the next Cam Newton like MZ fashioned his game after his hero, Michael Vick. Now, if you watch Wimbush in the pocket, he looks like a PPQB with a 70% completion rate to add. Can he and will he run? Yep. Will he be effective? Yep. Will he run as much as Malik? Nope. Can Hunter follow Malik and Wimbush, tow guys who will run it more than him? Yep. Next year will be the most run heavy the Irish have been at QB under Kelly. Malik will pass more each year he is the QB as he gets better at it. That's his goal because he want s to play on Sunday's too. By the time Wimbush takes over (I'll say Kizer is never the man unless MZ suffers a major injury this year) I bet his game and Malik's more polished passing game look very similar as Wimbush is obviously coming in the better passer out of high school. The transition to Hunter would be the final evolution back to the ProQB Kelly had with TR and EG. Yes, EG. The NON dual threat QB. Still can't believe Sampson called him that.

And if Sampson still thinks the "DTQB run" will deter HJ from going to South Bend and that a true ProQB couldn't be successful at ND like Tommy the Statue Rees, who was sacked a whole TWO TIMES in a season even though the only thing he ever ran for was senior class president., then there's this:

Tony Pike says................R-E-L-A-X

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[GrangerIrish24]

Things I've learned about recruiting from following this board for awhile
1. He is going into his junior year, there is a lot of time for things to change.
2. Just win!
3. He doesn't have an MSU offer Do not want
4. He is a poor mans Su'a Craves

 

[WestCoast]

We have to land Johnson. There is simply no excuse.

Close.

That was true about a certain 5star QB in Note Dame's front yard. They didn't, then they did, then they didn't again. Landing the right QB hasn't been a bright spot on BK'S resume since landing in SB. Developing and playing to the strengths of the ones on hand has been worse.

Maybe he can waive fair catch.

 

[Bluto]

That was true about a certain 5star QB in Note Dame's front yard. They didn't, then they did, then they didn't again. Landing the right QB hasn't been a bright spot on BK'S resume since landing in SB. Developing and playing to the strengths of the ones on hand has been worse.

Maybe he can waive fair catch.

I disagree with the second part of this. The amount of games ND was able to win and the fact that they were competitive in all the games with Reese at QB is pretty impressive when you think about it. How good is Ohio State, Michigan State or USC with a similar QB running the offense?

 

[WestCoast]

I disagree with the second part of this. The amount of games ND was able to win and the fact that they were competitive in all the games with Reese at QB is pretty impressive when you think about it. How good is Ohio State, Michigan State or USC with a similar QB running the offense?

There were several articles written by the pro blogs/sites sometime this spring (sorry didn't save the links) that expressed the opinion that BKs success rate/development of QBs has been quite poor.

Even if we agree BK maxed out Rees' potential, he failed to do so with Crist, Hendrix, Kiel and Golson. There's also the caveat that with as much as Rees was able to do, the offense should have been centered around the run game instead of Rees' arm (eg. Tulsa).

 

[pkt77242]

There were several articles written by the pro blogs/sites sometime this spring (sorry didn't save the links) that expressed the opinion that BKs success rate/development of QBs has been quite poor.

Even if we agree BK maxed out Rees' potential, he failed to do so with Crist, Hendrix, Kiel and Golson. There's also the caveat that with as much as Rees was able to do, the offense should have been centered around the run game instead of Rees' arm (eg. Tulsa).

While I agree with Crist and Hendrix, it isn't fair to say anything about maxing out potential (both positively or negatively) in relation to Kiel because he didn't stick around. Also we don't know if he maxed out Golson or not, we will know more about that after this year.

ETA: I hate posting from my phone.

 

[ACamp1900]

While I agree with Crist and Hendrix, it isn't fair to say anything about maxing out potential (both positively or negatively) in relation to Kiel because he didn't stick around. Also we don't know if he maxed out Golson or not, we will know more about that after this year.

ETA: I hate posting from my phone.

I was so ready to call you Jim Rome over 'Cristina"....

 

[arrowryan]

Loy says that there could be good news coming before the Parker announcement

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Loy says that there could be good news coming before the Parker announcement

Only Guy I think I could see announcing for us before tomorrow is the DE that just took a vist from Michigan?

 

[GBdomer]

Loy says that there could be good news coming before the Parker announcement

Just trying to sell Subs

 

[GoIrish41]

Only Guy I think I could see announcing for us before tomorrow is the DE that just took a vist from Michigan?

The guy with all the vowels? That would be sweet.

 

[Ironman8]

Loy says that there could be good news coming before the Parker announcement

Sorry dude, but where? I only see where he said it would be a fun week for Irish fans - which doesn't differentiate from just the PB announcement.

Edit: Nevermind I see it. Sorry about that Arrowryan. I see he said in the USC thread he expects Parker to be our next commit but wouldn't rule out anything before then.

 

[arrowryan]

Sorry dude, but where? I only see where he said it would be a fun week for Irish fans - which doesn't differentiate from just the PB announcement.

Edit: Nevermind I see it. Sorry about that Arrowryan. I see he said in the USC thread he expects Parker to be our next commit but wouldn't rule out anything before then.

Yeah thats what I was talking about. Sorry for not clarifying

 

[calvegas04]

Loy says that there could be good news coming before the Parker announcement

Loy has been bringing some good info lately, compared to when he first started