Who Will Replace Steve Sarkisian?

[irishroo]

No

Notre Dame paid Charlie Weis more in 2013 than current coach Brian Kelly

 

[connor_in]

He would drop buckets of wins tho... It'd would be golden.

They'd shower him with ... love

 

[ulukinatme]

Brian Kelly's comp is not a secret, he made about $1.2 million in 2013. Even if you triple that a couple years later in 2015, $3.6M is below average for the head coach of an elite program. And yes, there are nice neighborhoods near campus, the problem is that they are still in South Bend.

No

Notre Dame paid Charlie Weis more in 2013 than current coach Brian Kelly

Key paragraph from that article. From what some people have said Kelly makes a bit more than the $1.2 million reported there. It would be a bit silly if Kelly made less than Muffet (Not that Muffet doesn't do a fantastic job, but we're talking competitive pay in their respective lines of work). You have to ask yourself: "Why would Kelly stay in a shitty job for $1.2 million a year?"

As in past years, Notre Dame's return notes that Kelly is permitted to receive compensation from sources outside the university "with prior written approval from the university" and that any such income is not reported on the return.

 

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[irishroo]

Key paragraph from that article. From what some people have said Kelly makes a bit more than the $1.2 million reported there. It would be a bit silly if Kelly made less than Muffet (Not that Muffet doesn't do a fantastic job, but we're talking competitive pay in their respective lines of work). You have to ask yourself: "Why would Kelly stay in a shitty job for $1.2 million a year?"

Yes but every coach at every school can do that, no? Doesn't change the fact that Notre Dame pays a hell of a lot less than most would expect.

 

[tussin]

I think it's absurd that people are actually thinking BK would leave for SC. He's not going to leave for a dumpster fire after he spent 5 years finally getting ND to a place where they can compete at an elite level.

 

[ulukinatme]

So Chip Kelly and Brian Kelly but no R. Kelly?

R. Kelly would be a piss poor hire IMHO

He's an offensive whizz though. He'd be number one on my list.

Rep worthy, this exchange deserves some love.

 

[koonja]

Irishoo -

This is my understanding. The radio guys in Columbus talked about how Urban gets almost as much as his salary that's unreported. So if true, Urban banks about 10 million a year. My assumption is BK is not paid in the top 10 if you include every source of income. Probably not be in the top 15, I have no idea. But ND is not the only school with unreported income

 

[Irish Insanity]

Irishoo -

This is my understanding. The radio guys in Columbus talked about how Urban gets almost as much as his salary that's unreported. So if true, Urban banks about 10 million a year. My assumption is BK is not paid in the top 10 if you include every source of income. Probably not be in the top 15, I have no idea. But ND is not the only school with unreported income

There's a thread somewhere from a year or two ago. I'm on my phone so it'll be impossible for me to find. But basically it had a lot of what you've said in it. And had some more realistic salary numbers for BK in it. I don't remember the exact number, but it was like 4x, or greater, than what Irishroo had posted.

And dude, his name is 'Irishroo'

 

[koonja]

Insanity -

I think it was around 4 million total. But my point is if every other coach at an elite program is getting the same deal, 4 mil is still chump change for such a big job. Urban's allegedly getting ~10 mil a year after all is said and done. I'm sure Harbaugh, Strong, Sark (was), Saban, Miles, etc, all getting outside bumps in total comp.

 

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Herman is definitely a name to watch for.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Kevin Wilson

 

[Bogtrotter07]

No one brought up Jim Mora!

 

[Black Irish]

I think it's absurd that people are actually thinking BK would leave for SC. He's not going to leave for a dumpster fire after he spent 5 years finally getting ND to a place where they can compete at an elite level.

2nd that. It would be, IMO, a lateral move for Kelly, at best. Sure, he doesn't have to worry about academic restrictions and is sitting right in a prime talent pool, but USC comes with its own baggage, as others have pointed out. Clown AD, sub-par facilities, having to start from scratch building "his" program. He's getting very close to having a Championship contention team at ND. Why drop all he's built in South Bend to start all over at USC? Especially when there's no evidence that Kelly's seat is getting warm at Notre Dame? If Kelly's going to bolt, it'll be for the NFL. Just my $.02.

 

[Booslum31]

Gruden

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Brian Kelly's comp is not a secret, he made about $1.2 million in 2013. Even if you triple that a couple years later in 2015, $3.6M is below average for the head coach of an elite program. And yes, there are nice neighborhoods near campus, the problem is that they are still in South Bend.

Seriously? We go over this every year when USA Today recycles that bullsh!t "CFB Coaching Pay" chart that only shows the portion of Kelly's salary paid by the University. Take a look for yourself. Every single school at the top of the ranking is a large public university that is subject to public records requests. As a private school, ND can effectively obscure Kelly's compensation package in ways that those other schools cannot. Furthermore, as a school that prides itself on prioritizing academics over athletics, ND has PR reasons for doing so that those other schools do not.

Have you ever been to USC? Crusader's point is inarguable. ND's coaches live in gorgeous gated neighborhoods within ~15m of campus. USC's coaches have to commute significant distances to find anything comparable (and they do).

Notre Dame paid Charlie Weis more in 2013 than current coach Brian Kelly

See above. USA Today simply doesn't have enough data to rank Kelly's salary accurately, and that's by design. If you think his total compensation package is even remotely close to $1.2m, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Irishoo -

This is my understanding. The radio guys in Columbus talked about how Urban gets almost as much as his salary that's unreported. So if true, Urban banks about 10 million a year. My assumption is BK is not paid in the top 10 if you include every source of income. Probably not be in the top 15, I have no idea. But ND is not the only school with unreported income

Typical Buckeye idiocy. There's no way Meyer is making more than the highest paid NFL coaches. As I mentioned above, OSU and 'Bama are public universities, so they can't obscure the value of compensation packages for coaches like we can. Yes, they obviously get some income from sources other than the University, but there's no reason to believe it's a significant % of the overall package; whereas in Kelly's situation, he's obviously making much more than $1.2m/ year, so the assumption is just the opposite.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Whiskey explained it a hell of a lot better than I could've. And woth facts. Ha.

 

[connor_in]

Seriously? We go over this every year when USA Today recycles that bullsh!t "CFB Coaching Pay" chart that only shows the portion of Kelly's salary paid by the University. Take a look for yourself. Every single school at the top of the ranking is a large public university that is subject to public records requests. As a private school, ND can effectively obscure Kelly's compensation package in ways that those other schools cannot. Furthermore, as a school that prides itself on prioritizing academics over athletics, ND has PR reasons for doing so that those other schools do not.

Have you ever been to USC? Crusader's point is inarguable. ND's coaches live in gorgeous gated neighborhoods within ~15m of campus. USC's coaches have to commute significant distances to find anything comparable (and they do).



See above. USA Today simply doesn't have enough data to rank Kelly's salary accurately, and that's by design. If you think his total compensation package is even remotely close to $1.2m, then I have a bridge to sell you.



Typical Buckeye idiocy. There's no way Meyer is making more than the highest paid NFL coaches. As I mentioned above, OSU and 'Bama are public universities, so they can't obscure the value of compensation packages for coaches like we can. Yes, they obviously get some income from sources other than the University, but there's no reason to believe it's a significant % of the overall package; whereas in Kelly's situation, he's obviously making much more than $1.2m/ year, so the assumption is just the opposite.

Don't forget Urban's pizza endorsement deal...

It's gotta be healthy pizza too, because, ya know, he has health issues, right Gator fans?

 

[irishroo]

Have you ever been to USC? Crusader's point is inarguable. ND's coaches live in gorgeous gated neighborhoods within ~15m of campus. USC's coaches have to commute significant distances to find anything comparable (and they do).

Been there many times. Beverly Hills is 10 miles away, Palisades is 15. I'm aware traffic in LA makes commute times significantly longer than South Bend, but I've made the drive from Beverly Hills to the Coliseum in 30ish minutes. No chance a half hour commute has any sort of significant impact on a potential coach's decision to accept a job, especially when you're commuting to/from the most desirable zip code on the planet.

 

[tussin]

Been there many times. Beverly Hills is 10 miles away, Palisades is 15. I'm aware traffic in LA makes commute times significantly longer than South Bend, but I've made the drive from Beverly Hills to the Coliseum in 30ish minutes. No chance a half hour commute has any sort of significant impact on a potential coach's decision to accept a job, especially when you're commuting to/from the most desirable zip code on the planet.

Desirable for who? There are 1,000 places that I'd rather live than LA. Do you really think living in the LA area appeals to every football coach?

 

[irishroo]

Seriously? We go over this every year when USA Today recycles that bullsh!t "CFB Coaching Pay" chart that only shows the portion of Kelly's salary paid by the University. Take a look for yourself. Every single school at the top of the ranking is a large public university that is subject to public records requests. As a private school, ND can effectively obscure Kelly's compensation package in ways that those other schools cannot. Furthermore, as a school that prides itself on prioritizing academics over athletics, ND has PR reasons for doing so that those other schools do not.

Have you ever been to USC? Crusader's point is inarguable. ND's coaches live in gorgeous gated neighborhoods within ~15m of campus. USC's coaches have to commute significant distances to find anything comparable (and they do).



See above. USA Today simply doesn't have enough data to rank Kelly's salary accurately, and that's by design. If you think his total compensation package is even remotely close to $1.2m, then I have a bridge to sell you.



Typical Buckeye idiocy. There's no way Meyer is making more than the highest paid NFL coaches. As I mentioned above, OSU and 'Bama are public universities, so they can't obscure the value of compensation packages for coaches like we can. Yes, they obviously get some income from sources other than the University, but there's no reason to believe it's a significant % of the overall package; whereas in Kelly's situation, he's obviously making much more than $1.2m/ year, so the assumption is just the opposite.

This all makes sense, but I have two questions (which I'm guessing nobody here can actually answer, but worth a shot):
(1) Are these outside sources things like licensing agreements, apparel deals, etc. that are guaranteed by the university? I know when USA Today and the like report that Saban makes $7m per year from Alabama, that figure includes compensation paid to him by Nike for their apparel deal, but which is guaranteed by U of A. For Kelly's figure in USA Today, I have no idea if that includes any payments from Under Armour or if that gets lumped into the unknown "outside sources," but I suspect it's the latter.

(2) The original post I responded to said something like USC "doesn't pay as much as people think it does." I'd say most people who follow college football would expect the total annual comp for a head coach at an elite program like USC or ND to be minimum $4 million, meaning Kelly would have to receive around $3 million per year from sources other than ND to be making as much as most would expect him to make. That seems very high to me but I really don't know, do people think the actual number is in that range?

 

[ACamp1900]

Been there many times. Beverly Hills is 10 miles away, Palisades is 15. I'm aware traffic in LA makes commute times significantly longer than South Bend, but I've made the drive from Beverly Hills to the Coliseum in 30ish minutes. No chance a half hour commute has any sort of significant impact on a potential coach's decision to accept a job, especially when you're commuting to/from the most desirable zip code on the planet.

I have no dog in this fight aside from this point, I've never been to SB so maybe that's throwing me off, but there are very nice areas around SC's campus that are even closer than 30 minutes... half of that really... but what makes a good area can be relative I suppose... ???

 

[johnnycando]

Whittingham would be a home run and a nightmare.

 

[ACamp1900]

Whittingham would be a home run and a nightmare.

After Carroll I have no clue what the next hire will do... Carroll was a complete stinker of a hire that everyone around SC hated, he replaced a few straight home run hires who all failed... we all know how that turned out.

 

[irishroo]

Desirable for who? There are 1,000 places that I'd rather live than LA. Do you really think living in the LA area appeals to every football coach?

No, of course it doesn't appeal to every single one. But give me 100 coaches, I bet 95 of them would rather live in Beverly Hills than South Bend. If you're going to argue that South Bend is objectively a better place to live than Beverly Hills you might as well save your (metaphorical) breath because that's ridiculous.

 

[ACamp1900]

No, of course it doesn't appeal to every single one. But give me 100 coaches, I bet 95 of them would rather live in Beverly Hills than South Bend. If you're going to argue that South Bend is objectively a better place to live than Beverly Hills you might as well save your (metaphorical) breath because that's ridiculous.

Well SO Cal sucks for a lot of reasons but Carne Asada fries alone give LA a huge leg up in that match up...

 

[tussin]

No, of course it doesn't appeal to every single one. But give me 100 coaches, I bet 95 of them would rather live in Beverly Hills than South Bend. If you're going to argue that South Bend is objectively a better place to live than Beverly Hills you might as well save your (metaphorical) breath because that's ridiculous.

No, that point was a general response to: "USC is the best CFB gig in the country because you get paid as much as other places...and you get to live in LA!" Whereas I see it as -- USC probably pays less than many elite gigs due to COL factors and the "LA lifestyle" probably appeals to less head coaches than you think.

To the specific USC/ND comparison, yes... LA is objectively nicer than South Bend. However, these coaches are typically working 80+ hours a week and on the road constantly. When they are home, the typical coach is probably coming home to a helluva lot nice house in South Bend than LA. As you said, that LA zip code ain't cheap.

 

[BobbyMac]

Been there many times. Beverly Hills is 10 miles away, Palisades is 15. I'm aware traffic in LA makes commute times significantly longer than South Bend, but I've made the drive from Beverly Hills to the Coliseum in 30ish minutes. No chance a half hour commute has any sort of significant impact on a potential coach's decision to accept a job, especially when you're commuting to/from the most desirable zip code on the planet.

It's not the miles to those areas. It's the fluctuating travel times that force you to add an hour plus to both ends of your commute. When your days consist of many 14 hour days, those two hours are VERY EXPENSIVE when monetized and you only get 24 of them a day so it takes away from the family.

Now, once you get there... you have to buy a house. CBK's house in Beverly Hills doesn't cost $1M like it does in Granger. It's at least 5x that money on a bad lot. Property taxes? $10k-$15k a year in Indiana vs. $65k in Cali. There is a reason why coaches like good gigs in COLLEGE towns. They have very little time to mess around with the foolishness of big city living. It's so much easier living behind a guarded gate at the Country Club minutes from campus with your AD, the boosters, the mayor... than it is in LA. If we were talking UCLA, I wouldn't be arguing as much as it is much better situated near good places to live but it still brings with it all of LA's downsides.

 

[Senoj13]

CBS Sportsline has a list of 10 candidates and some others to consider and Brian Kelly is not mentioned

 

[NDohio]

It's not the miles to those areas. It's the fluctuating travel times that force you to add an hour plus to both ends of your commute. When your days consist of many 14 hour days, those two hours are VERY EXPENSIVE when monetized and you only get 24 of them a day so it takes away from the family.

Now, once you get there... you have to buy a house. CBK's house in Beverly Hills doesn't cost $1M like it does in Granger. It's at least 5x that money on a bad lot. Property taxes? $10k-$15k a year in Indiana vs. $65k in Cali. There is a reason why coaches like good gigs in COLLEGE towns. They have very little time to mess around with the foolishness of big city living. It's so much easier living behind a guarded gate at the Country Club minutes from campus with your AD, the boosters, the mayor... than it is in LA. If we were talking UCLA, I wouldn't be arguing as much as it is much better situated near good places to live but it still brings with it all of LA's downsides.

I am going to guess that coaches do not travel to and from work during the time that most people are traveling. I will bet that commute time is not that big of a deal.


IIRC Kiffy was living in a house that was provided to him by the University.