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It Louisiana DE Gerald Willis. Says he'll probably visit ND

Good Luck there.
 
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Here's a rough guess as to what we need for next cycle:
QB - 1
RB/ Z WR - 0-1
X/W WR - 2-3
TE - 1-2 (assuming we don't take one this cycle)
OL - 3-4
DE - 2-3 (depending on whether Tuitt goes pro early)
DT - 2-3 (2nd greatest position of need)
ILB - 3-4 (1st greatest position of need)
OLB - 1-2
CB - 1-2
FS - 0
SS - 0-1
K/P - 1

So we'll need at least 17 to fill out the depth chart reasonably well, and it's looking like we'll have ~20 spots for next year's class.



Don't know if this has been discussed but...

Are all Rb's going to be recruited now that can play Z?
 
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SoCal_NDfan said:
Don't know if this has been discussed but...

Are all Rb's going to be recruited now that can play Z?
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Tony Alford coaches them as a single unit, since there's a large amount of overlap between the skills needed to play both positions.

Practically speaking, some guys are exclusively Z WRs, some are exclusively RBs, and some are hybrids. But it's often to hard to tell how any given recruit will shake out, so I group them together for depth chart purposes.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
Tony Alford coaches them as a single unit, since there's a large amount of overlap between the skills needed to play both positions.

Practically speaking, some guys are exclusively Z WRs, some are exclusively RBs, and some are hybrids. But it's often to hard to tell how any given recruit will shake out, so I group them together for depth chart purposes.
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Ok.

From the 14 offer list don't you think they are going 1 power back and 1 hybrid or Z?

For example Hood looks like a power back

Then guys like Mixon are those quick shifty guys
 
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SoCal_NDfan said:
Ok.

From the 14 offer list don't you think they are going 1 power back and 1 hybrid or Z?

For example Hood looks like a power back

Then guys like Mixon are those quick shifty guys
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I could see them taking 1 RB (at most) if it's an elite "can't miss" prospect, mainly because we're already full at RB/ Z WR with 8/8. If Folston jumps on board, we'll be overloaded at 9/8.

Overloading creates problems: (1) too few reps to spread among too many talented players; (2) increased chance of transferring/ disgruntled players, since several won't see field; and (3) it prevents us from maintaining ideal depth at other positions.

Some recruits just can't be turned away. Sony Michel is definitely in that category, and Elijah Hood might be as well. In that case, we might have to shift a RB/ Z WRs to DB to make room.

Long story short, we're full at RB/ Z WR right now, and might be overloaded heading into 2014. So I don't see the staff accepting a verbal commitment from such a player unless they're truly elite, especially not this early in the cycle.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
I could see them taking 1 RB (at most) if it's an elite "can't miss" prospect, mainly because we're already full at RB/ Z WR with 8/8. If Folston jumps on board, we'll be overloaded at 9/8.

Overloading creates problems: (1) too few reps to spread among too many talented players; (2) increased chance of transferring/ disgruntled players, since several won't see field; and (3) it prevents us from maintaining ideal depth at other positions.

Some recruits just can't be turned away. Sony Michel is definitely in that category, and Elijah Hood might be as well. In that case, we might have to shift a RB/ Z WRs to DB to make room.

Long story short, we're full at RB/ Z WR right now, and might be overloaded heading into 2014. So I don't see the staff accepting a verbal commitment from such a player unless they're truly elite, especially not this early in the cycle.
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Yeah I definitely can't see us taking more than one RB. Even if you think it doesn't make sense to include Torii Hunter and Greg Bryant in the same position group for depth chart purposes and you choose to break it down further, we will have 5 guys who are capable of playing primarily RB on the team in 2014, not including Folston. Don't see how we could take more than one frosh that year. However, McDaniel and Atkinson will be gone in 2015, and RB is a position where you want to be full to overflowing because guys absorb a lot of big hits and you can have injuries in bunches, so I'll be surprised if we don't take any RBs in 2014. I do think we should take at least one. But by all means, hold out for a stud or a perfect fit.

One way of understanding the staff's Mixon interest: he might be the fit the staff is looking for. He looks to be a physical guy with some size who can also be an effective receiver, similar to Bryant. That's a guy who can do two jobs at once.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
I could see them taking 1 RB (at most) if it's an elite "can't miss" prospect, mainly because we're already full at RB/ Z WR with 8/8. If Folston jumps on board, we'll be overloaded at 9/8.

Overloading creates problems: (1) too few reps to spread among too many talented players; (2) increased chance of transferring/ disgruntled players, since several won't see field; and (3) it prevents us from maintaining ideal depth at other positions.

Some recruits just can't be turned away. Sony Michel is definitely in that category, and Elijah Hood might be as well. In that case, we might have to shift a RB/ Z WRs to DB to make room.

Long story short, we're full at RB/ Z WR right now, and might be overloaded heading into 2014. So I don't see the staff accepting a verbal commitment from such a player unless they're truly elite, especially not this early in the cycle.
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Good point. This is how I have it looking.

2013

At RB
Will Mahone (Rs Fr)
GA3 (Jr)
Greg Bryant (Fr)

At Z
Davonte Neal (SO)
? Will Fuller (Fr)

Hybrid
? James Onwualu (FR) I think I read/heard this is what they want him as.
? Cam Mc (Jr)
? Amir C (Rs So)
??? Tarean F (Fr)
 
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SoCal_NDfan said:
Good point. This is how I have it looking.

2013

At RB
Will Mahone (Rs Fr)
GA3 (Jr)
Greg Bryant (Fr)

At Z
Davonte Neal (SO)
? Will Fuller (Fr)

Hybrid
? James Onwualu (FR) I think I read/heard this is what they want him as.
? Cam Mc (Jr)
? Amir C (Rs So)
??? Tarean F (Fr)
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That's exactly how I'd sort them, though if Onwualu starts his career as a hybrid RB/ Z WR, then Fuller probably start at X/W WR.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
That's exactly how I'd sort them, though if Onwualu starts his career as a hybrid RB/ Z WR, then Fuller probably start at X/W WR.
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And I think that's how it will shake out, personally. I like Fuller better on the outside, with his speed and leaping ability. He looked like an outside guy in his tape. Onwualu looks like an inside guy, with his shiftiness and physicality.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
That's exactly how I'd sort them, though if Onwualu starts his career as a hybrid RB/ Z WR, then Fuller probably start at X/W WR.
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I like (agree with) how Whiskey is looking at this. With this kind of talent and depth at the skill positions on offense I'm hoping that we fill any remaining spots with defensive difference makers. Defense is what got us here and it will be what keeps us here.
 
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I think it will be interesting to see how Kelly does in the south in 2014. ND "is back" but recruiting in the south is hard
 
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I think it will be interesting to see how Kelly does in the south in 2014. ND "is back" but recruiting in the south is hard
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I agree going into the deep south Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana is always tough, but we have a presence in Florida (and you have a ton of kids) and we've done ok in Georgia and South Carolina. I am curious how you think the ACC affiliation will sell on the East Coast and down into the southeast with kids going forward. I would think it couldn't hurt.
 
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I agree going into the deep south Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana is always tough, but we have a presence in Florida (and you have a ton of kids) and we've done ok in Georgia and South Carolina. I am curious how you think the ACC affiliation will sell on the East Coast and down into the southeast with kids going forward. I would think it couldn't hurt.
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Personally it won't hurt. Notre Dame will be playing games in South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina. Obviously we won't know the exact schedules right away and who will still be in the conference, but down the road it might be easier to sell a kid knowing he'll have a game played in his home state.
 
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Redbar said:
I agree going into the deep south Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana is always tough, but we have a presence in Florida (and you have a ton of kids) and we've done ok in Georgia and South Carolina. I am curious how you think the ACC affiliation will sell on the East Coast and down into the southeast with kids going forward. I would think it couldn't hurt.
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I would think the ACC might help get kids that live on the east coast but they are probably going to want to know more about the schedule. While ND does have a presence in Florida and Georgia winning the big battles is a whole different story. Kelly no longer has to sell the future he can sell the present so it will be interesting to watch.
 
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Except that Kelly and ND don't and aren't essentially recruiting only the South-- they're recruiting the entire nation (more so than any other program). So winning the "big battles" in the South isn't nearly as important as it is for teams that are.

Kelly will win some and lose some when it comes to recruiting kids down there-- same as all the other coaches out there.
 
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Except that Kelly and ND don't and aren't essentially recruiting only the South-- they're recruiting the entire nation (more so than any other program). So winning the "big battles" in the South isn't nearly as important as it is for teams that are.

Kelly will win some and lose some when it comes to recruiting kids down there-- same as all the other coaches out there.
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Very true. It is not as essential that we win a lot of big battles in any one region.
 
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Sam Mustipher (DT) and Qualen Cunningham (DE) visiting for Junior Day. That is January 19th. Byrne will also be there
 
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If I'm not mistaken Junior Day is January 19th? That's right around the corner. I would like to see a couple commitments, preferably Mason Cole and Enoch Smith
 
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