'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[jason_h537]

See Rodgers, Aaron. Was 5'11 going into Junior College and in a year or two reached 6'4".

That is not a growth spurt, that is a freak occurrence.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Our thoughts about young Everett should concentrate on how his passing is when he must move significantly from the pocket. Height DOES make some difference in being able to get whole-field reads. Golson's strength at those vision-blocking moments is that he's the best we have [as far as I've heard] at zipping outside the clutter to safer better viewing positions. At that point is where two things come in: a). has he got great vision having done so? I've heard that he has; b). can he throw over a wide arc of field when he then spots the open receiver? Again, his arm strength is supposed to be exceptional.

We shouldn't think that QB height makes no difference. It will change several plays per game to scrambling lane-seeking forays. This alters route-timing and may force Kelly to insist on certain route behaviors out of all receivers once the three second clock goes off and the ball has yet to be delivered. Fortunately Everett seems capable of handling all of this minor chaos quite well on his end given his physical talents.

 

[Riddickulous]

Troy smith is a good comparison to Golson I'd say. Pass first but can run.

Golson is a Darron Thomas clone, IMO. Maybe a better passer.

 

[IrishRugger2013]

Also it is very likely that he will still add a few inches in height since many males do not have growth spurts until their early twenties.

C'mon man are you serious? Stop giving me hope as a 20 year old

 

[ryno 24]

Golson is a Darron Thomas clone, IMO. Maybe a better passer.

Darron Thomas does not have a very good looking throw and he is also a legit 6'2.

Golson is more of a Tyrond Taylor with more talent and in an offense that fits him.

 

[tadman95]

I think he's going to be an Everett Golson. Will make his own name.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

1.) I'm not sure people should really be concerned with Golson not playing this year. QBs often redshirt their first year in college. If he's not playing/starting by this time next year, then by all means start questioning what's really going on...

2.) Maybe it's his height. Maybe it's the fact that he doesn't know the playbook as well as Rees/Hendrix/Crist. Maybe it's because he's at the bottom of the depth chart and running the scout team (although he is getting some reps with the ND offense, unlike Hendrix last year - speculate all you want w/ that little tidbit). Maybe it's because he lacks a pocket presence at the moment (see the spring game and how his first instinct was to get out of the pocket). It could be numerous things that people outside of the program don't get a chance to see.

I think this kid is a phenomenal athlete and will make his mark at ND. I'm just not concerned that he hasn't done it yet. The bowl practices and off-season camps will allow him to grow physically and mentally. I think next year, we'll have quite the competition. I look for Rees to start against Navy based purely on his experience. But by mid-season, I truly believe we'll see Golson or Hendrix starting full time.

 

[GreatGolson]

I think he's going to be an Everett Golson. Will make his own name.

Ron Powlus was a Ron Powlus, its a two sided coin

 

[BGIF]

Ron Powlus was a Ron Powlus, its a two sided coin

Ron Powlus had two broken bones, two head coaches neither of which understood a passing attack, 4 Offensive Coordinators, and 4 or 5 QB coaches. Holtz was trying to transition to a passing attack, The Blarney Offense, without pass protection OLs nor the necessary receivers. I'm still not sure if Davie ever had an offensive concept in his grabbag approach. Despite the inept coaching, he still set a number of ND passing records and is among ND's top passers. Melvin Dansby said Powlus was the best college QB he ever saw ... before the broken clavicle.

As for Golson, we know he can throw a football AND run with one. The biggest question is does he have the size and strength for 70 or 80 plays a game. He was listed coming out of HS at 6-0, 170. There were comments that he was more 5-10. The '11 ND Media Guide lists him as 6-0, 185. Real or inflated? Regardless a QB in Kelly's Offense, the one with the Option Read doesn't last taking all those hits at 185. Diaco wouldn't recruit him for corner at 170. IF he bulks up to 195 -200 doesn't he maintain his speed and agility?

Phil Steele listed 60 Top QBs preseason, only about 5 weighed less than 200. The smallest was 6-0, 191 Kellen Moore at Boise. Nice creditentials but Moore doesn't have to face defenses the size of Southern Cal, Michigan, Oklahoma, Michigan St, and Stanford.

I have more a concern about Golson's size (weight more than height) than his ability to throw or run. Reads, audibles, decisions, game management, etc obviously have no baseline at this point for comparision. I hope he makes Spring Ball highly competitive.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

If he can get up to 200-205 I think he will be alright durability wise. Those are the weight that qb's like Tyrod Taylor and Troy Smith played at (similar styles IMO). His speed might drop a bit but it won't be drastic. I do wish he were a little bit taller but again the previous mentioned players we around his height and produced just fine.

 

[tadman95]

Sorry, opened the wrong thread to post.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Now you have to say something nice about Everett imo.

 

[tadman95]

Agree.....LOL. Scroll up 7 posts.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

I was going to say you can't refer to your own past tense compliment, but then I looked at it again. Legit.

 

[Sweetness34]

Darron Thomas does not have a very good looking throw and he is also a legit 6'2.

Golson is more of a Tyrond Taylor with more talent and in an offense that fits him.

I see a lot of Troy Smith and Braxton Miller in Everett.

 

[tko]

I see a lot of Troy Smith and Braxton Miller in Everett.

you won't be seeing much of him next year b/c i have a sick feeling Kelly won't give him a fair shake since he's afraid to make a change with Tommy.

 

[Sweetness34]

That would really suck because Everett could run out of his mistakes like Denard and Braxton do but he is a better thrower than those guys. BK better wise up because he really messed up the QB position this year and if he doesn't fix it next year he will be on the hot seat in 2013 and might not be the ND coach in 2014. I hope he gives his lone hand picked QB recruit a fair shot this off-season.

 

[BeauBenken]

That would really suck because Everett could run out of his mistakes like Denard and Braxton do but he is a better thrower than those guys. BK better wise up because he really messed up the QB position this year and if he doesn't fix it next year he won't be the ND coach in 2013.

No matter what QB we play in 2012, we will win enough games for Kelly to be back.

 

[PANDFAN]

this BK stuff is getting out of hand...ND has learned that they need to stick it out w/ him and he is doing piece by piece...the coaching carousel has killed us as ND fans...it finally has been steered in the right direction...patience!!

 

[Sweetness34]

this BK stuff is getting out of hand...ND has learned that they need to stick it out w/ him and he is doing piece by piece...the coaching carousel has killed us as ND fans...it finally has been steered in the right direction...patience!!

I agree with having patience but the fact is he was supposed to make good QB decisions and so far he hasn't. I hope next year he will not worry about kids feelings and play the QB that gives the team the best chance to win. I feel he needs to go with Everett and let him take his lumps and he will grow. I think BK is a great coach but you have to prove it on the field at ND and so far he hasn't done that.

 

[Irishnuke]

I agree with having patience but the fact is he was supposed to make good QB decisions and so far he hasn't. I hope next year he will not worry about kids feelings and play the QB that gives the team the best chance to win. I feel he needs to go with Everett and let him take his lumps and he will grow. I think BK is a great coach but you have to prove it on the field at ND and so far he hasn't done that.

Why does he need to go with Golson? Why is Golson better than Hendrix?

 

[kmoose]

I agree with having patience but the fact is he was supposed to make good QB decisions and so far he hasn't. I hope next year he will not worry about kids feelings and play the QB that gives the team the best chance to win. I feel he needs to go with Everett and let him take his lumps and he will grow. I think BK is a great coach but you have to prove it on the field at ND and so far he hasn't done that.

How do you know that he hasn't made the right decisions? Have you been at all of the practices, in all of the film rooms, and at all of the meetings? For the love of Christ, since when did it become public knowledge that Hendrix/Golson were going to be great college quarterbacks? I must have missed that memo.

 

[Sweetness34]

How do you know that he hasn't made the right decisions? Have you been at all of the practices, in all of the film rooms, and at all of the meetings? For the love of Christ, since when did it become public knowledge that Hendrix/Golson were going to be great college quarterbacks? I must have missed that memo.

Well, Dayne should have gotten more than a half of football to prove himself before being benched for the year. If he was slated to be the starter, a half of football shouldn't change that. If he didn't produce against the skunkbears then after that I understand. By playing Tommy, who is a game manager against great teams and looks excellent against weak teams will forever keep ND at the 8-4 or 9-3 range. The offense is to predictable with Tommy in there. This years schedule was set up perfectly and it was ruined by the decision to start Tommy. ND had the best oline play since forever and the best WR ever and still lost 4 games. Now if you are at least a decent team there is a template out on how to stop Tommy. No Floyd and the oline will still be good. They need to have a QB that can threaten defenses down the field vertically and be a threat to run the ball. Sorry but this is my opinion. Go ND in 2012!

 

[kmoose]

Well, Dayne should have gotten more than a half of football to prove himself before being benched for the year. If he was slated to be the starter, a half of football shouldn't change that. If he didn't produce against the skunkbears then after that I understand. By playing Tommy, who is a game manager against great teams and looks excellent against weak teams will forever keep ND at the 8-4 or 9-3 range. The offense is to predictable with Tommy in there. This years schedule was set up perfectly and it was ruined by the decision to start Tommy. ND had the best oline play since forever and the best WR ever and still lost 4 games. Now if you are at least a decent team there is a template out on how to stop Tommy. No Floyd and the oline will still be good. They need to have a QB that can threaten defenses down the field vertically and be a threat to run the ball. Sorry but this is my opinion. Go ND in 2012!

BK had no choice but to pull Crist, at halftime of the USF game. For the same reason that he had no choice but to pull Rees, at halftime of the Stanford game. Both of them were completely ineffective. Crist, after the first drive. Rees for the entire half. So BK had no choice but to either A) Pull Crist, or B) concede the loss, at halftime. Once he put Rees in, Rees moved the offense up and down the field, with relative ease. The kid threw for damn near 300 yards(296), in one half!! There was no way that Kelly could NOT start him, the next week. Beyond that, I can only assume that Rees practiced at a level that the coaches felt did not warrant removing him as the starter. Or maybe it's just that the other QBs didn't practice at a level to unseat him.

 

[Sweetness34]

BK had no choice but to pull Crist, at halftime of the USF game. For the same reason that he had no choice but to pull Rees, at halftime of the Stanford game. Both of them were completely ineffective. Crist, after the first drive. Rees for the entire half. So BK had no choice but to either A) Pull Crist, or B) concede the loss, at halftime. Once he put Rees in, Rees moved the offense up and down the field, with relative ease. The kid threw for damn near 300 yards(296), in one half!! There was no way that Kelly could NOT start him, the next week. Beyond that, I can only assume that Rees practiced at a level that the coaches felt did not warrant removing him as the starter. Or maybe it's just that the other QBs didn't practice at a level to unseat him.

Here's the thing, I believe in BK. I think he will do great things at ND but 8-4 doesn't cut it. In order for this team, the offense especially to reach its full potential he will need to have a QB that can at least scramble when all options are taken away just like every team in the top 10 which should be NDs goal. QBs that are at least a threat to scramble are what the teams playing in the BCS all have in common except for OK St. but their offense is on another level to where they don't need that. Even Andrew Luck had more rushing yards than Tommy and he plays in a pro-style offense. What's holding ND back from elite status is QB play and Tommy isn't the guy plain and simple, he is a game manager. Lets see what the other guys who are more mobile can do next year and go from there. Now by your logic then Hendrix should be starting the bowl game because he performed better against Stanford than Rees did. I agree with BK though that Rees should start against FSU. It will be a fun spring and just imagine if Gunner comes, although I think he will redshirt.

 

[kmoose]

....... What's holding ND back from elite status is QB play......

....and the secondary............and the OLBs...............and the lack of a true stud tailback.............and the inconsistency of the O Line...................and the weak special teams play (punt returns, specifically)............and.............

If you think QB is the only position keeping ND from being elite, then you might as well crawl under a rock for the next 4 or 5 years. Because there are other holes that have to be addressed, as well. It will take a while, so you might save yourself a lot of frustration.

By the way..........

plenty of teams have been BCS caliber with relatively immobile QBs............ You've perhaps heard of Craig Krenzel and Greg McElroy?

 

[BeauBenken]

....and the secondary............and the OLBs...............and the lack of a true stud tailback.............and the inconsistency of the O Line...................and the weak special teams play (punt returns, specifically)............and.............

If you think QB is the only position keeping ND from being elite, then you might as well crawl under a rock for the next 4 or 5 years. Because there are other holes that have to be addressed, as well. It will take a while, so you might save yourself a lot of frustration.

By the way..........

plenty of teams have been BCS caliber with relatively immobile QBs............ You've perhaps heard of Craig Krenzel and Greg McElroy?

Neither played in a spread and were surrounded by lots talent though.

Note: I actually don't know much about Krenzel though. I'm a bit too young.

 

[kmoose]

Neither played in a spread and were surrounded by lots talent though.

So it's the system, and the rest of the team, that's holding ND back from being elite?

 

[Sweetness34]

....and the secondary............and the OLBs...............and the lack of a true stud tailback.............and the inconsistency of the O Line...................and the weak special teams play (punt returns, specifically)............and.............

If you think QB is the only position keeping ND from being elite, then you might as well crawl under a rock for the next 4 or 5 years. Because there are other holes that have to be addressed, as well. It will take a while, so you might save yourself a lot of frustration.

By the way..........

plenty of teams have been BCS caliber with relatively immobile QBs............ You've perhaps heard of Craig Krenzel and Greg McElroy?

Are you serious? Craig Krenzel led OSU in rushing in the championship game against a Miami defense that was more talented than the 2011 LSU and Alabama defenses. You said plenty of teams and yet you only named two people and only 1 is legit and McElroy had the HEISMAN trophy winner in his backfield with the probable winner this year as his backup. The QB position is the single most reason why ND didn't get into a BCS bowl this year. 3 out of the 4 teams that beat them their QB's outplayed NDs.

 

[BeauBenken]

So it's the system, and the rest of the team, that's holding ND back from being elite?

Somewhat. I don't think Tommy would take us to BCS heights in a pro-style offense either though, and we have more pieces suited to be part of a spread offense than a pro-style one. Tommy isn't necessarily a prototypical QB anyway you slice it. He's small and doesn't have a big arm.

It's a pretty common fact though that a QB's mobility plays a big part to his success in the spread much more than in a pro-style offense.

There's lots of reasons Notre Dame isn't elite though. You can't put it all on QB play.