Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

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its 2016.

ALL coaches are mercenaries now, and AD's and the universities are loyal only to money and wins.

why are we surprised by any of this re: kelly?

there is no loyalty by coaches or the schools that hire them.

everyone is out for themselves, just like the rest of the country.
 

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This is a pretty common occurrence, all over college football.

Do not disagree, however, the vibe I got from the defense and in particular, BVG, going forward, I felt something should've been done to address him after the Fiesta Bowl. As NdOhio alluded to above......Joe Schmidt......if you're defense is soo damned complex that you're most talented kids cannot find the field, something needs to be done. I know most everyone is frustrated with the state of the program......it's hard watching talented kids come in and not be coached up, or put in positions to win ball games at times due to play calling, or awful tackling due to tackling robots in the preseason.......lol
 

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Do not disagree, however, the vibe I got from the defense and in particular, BVG, going forward, I felt something should've been done to address him after the Fiesta Bowl. As NdOhio alluded to above......Joe Schmidt......if you're defense is soo damned complex that you're most talented kids cannot find the field, something needs to be done. I know most everyone is frustrated with the state of the program......it's hard watching talented kids come in and not be coached up, or put in positions to win ball games at times due to play calling, or awful tackling due to tackling robots in the preseason.......lol

The defense was significantly dumbed down this year, but Nyles Morgan didn't set the world on fire. He had a very good year: But he wasn't a finalist for his position award, he's probably not going to be on any All American teams, and he wasn't even the defensive player of the year on his own team(and it's not like he was overshadowed by a Jaylon Smith type teammate). This comes in a season when the coaches all talked about him being the most improved player, without a doubt, from last year. So if he only had a solid year in a dumbed down defense, after improving so much; what makes anyone think that he should have been playing last year? I'm not defending BVG as a coach; he obviously has some serious flaws. But what I am saying is that people have just kind of taken it as a fact, that Morgan would have been an upgrade over Schmidt last year, when that's absolutely not a certainty.
 

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The defense was significantly dumbed down this year, but Nyles Morgan didn't set the world on fire. He had a very good year: But he wasn't a finalist for his position award, he's probably not going to be on any All American teams, and he wasn't even the defensive player of the year on his own team(and it's not like he was overshadowed by a Jaylon Smith type teammate). This comes in a season when the coaches all talked about him being the most improved player, without a doubt, from last year. So if he only had a solid year in a dumbed down defense, after improving so much; what makes anyone think that he should have been playing last year? I'm not defending BVG as a coach; he obviously has some serious flaws. But what I am saying is that people have just kind of taken it as a fact, that Morgan would have been an upgrade over Schmidt last year, when that's absolutely not a certainty.

In reality we'll never have complete certainty on the topic, as its impossible to every truly know.

However........

Over 13 games, in 2015, Schmidt had 78 total tackles (42 solo), 4 TFL's, 1 sack

Over 12 games, Nyles Morgan had 88 total tackles (49 solo) 6 TFL's, and 4 sacks.

So with one less game played, he had more production in all three areas. So, though I can't say with complete certainty that Nyles would've been better, I feel very comfortable with that belief.

I'd also add, Morgan was also used in a much less attacking manner than Joe was. Prior to BVG departing, Driskell did a breakdown of how much Joe was used to blitz versus Morgan, and it was far more. Meaning, when the more athletic player, in Morgan, was on the field, he wasn't used to attack the LOS or backfield as frequently as Schmidt was. That's the real head scratcher if you ask me. However, he still managed more negative plays with less games played.
 

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The defense was significantly dumbed down this year, but Nyles Morgan didn't set the world on fire. He had a very good year: But he wasn't a finalist for his position award, he's probably not going to be on any All American teams, and he wasn't even the defensive player of the year on his own team(and it's not like he was overshadowed by a Jaylon Smith type teammate). This comes in a season when the coaches all talked about him being the most improved player, without a doubt, from last year. So if he only had a solid year in a dumbed down defense, after improving so much; what makes anyone think that he should have been playing last year? I'm not defending BVG as a coach; he obviously has some serious flaws. But what I am saying is that people have just kind of taken it as a fact, that Morgan would have been an upgrade over Schmidt last year, when that's absolutely not a certainty.

So your argument for Joe Schmidt starting over Nyles Morgan last year is that this year, Morgan (1) was not a finalist for his position award; (2) was not on any All-American teams; and (3) was not the defensive player of the year on his own team? Seriously?

Statistical comparisons aside (I'm sure the "missed tackles" stat would be a shocking comparison), it was evident to everyone who watched games that Morgan was MUCH better this year than Schmidt was last year. That doesn't prove Morgan would have been better than Schmidt last year but I would be very surprised if someone with Morgan's talent could have been worse than the debacle that was Joe Schmidt 2015.
 

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We were obviously missing Joe Schmidt and his pre-game scream this season. It's a fault in the leadership of this team when they all unanimously decided not to carry on that tradition. No wonder we always looked so flat!
 

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Lol not being an All American or award winner is not the same as not being better than Joe Schmidt.
 

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The defense was significantly dumbed down this year, but Nyles Morgan didn't set the world on fire. He had a very good year: But he wasn't a finalist for his position award, he's probably not going to be on any All American teams, and he wasn't even the defensive player of the year on his own team(and it's not like he was overshadowed by a Jaylon Smith type teammate). This comes in a season when the coaches all talked about him being the most improved player, without a doubt, from last year. So if he only had a solid year in a dumbed down defense, after improving so much; what makes anyone think that he should have been playing last year? I'm not defending BVG as a coach; he obviously has some serious flaws. But what I am saying is that people have just kind of taken it as a fact, that Morgan would have been an upgrade over Schmidt last year, when that's absolutely not a certainty.

Moose, not disagreeing with what you're saying, but, in your honest opinion, who was more athletic and had better upside, Schmidt or Morgan?

I give credit to Joe for competing his ass off.......I really do, but sometimes in life, heart doesn't always get the job done.
 

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Getting a jump on next season after four games in. The OLine is you and we got a young QB can not fault Kelly for that give him one more year after this. I hope the Bills fire Ryan and call Kelly.
 

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Moose, not disagreeing with what you're saying, but, in your honest opinion, who was more athletic and had better upside, Schmidt or Morgan?

I give credit to Joe for competing his ass off.......I really do, but sometimes in life, heart doesn't always get the job done.

So "Rudy" lied to us all?
 

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Elko to interview for the DC position

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WakeForest?src=hash">#WakeForest</a> DC Mike Elko is a hot commodity. Is expected to interview for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> DC job early this week, source tells <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports">@FoxSports</a>.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/808437827331461120">December 12, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Elko to interview for the DC position

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WakeForest?src=hash">#WakeForest</a> DC Mike Elko is a hot commodity. Is expected to interview for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> DC job early this week, source tells <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports">@FoxSports</a>.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/808437827331461120">December 12, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yessssssss! This has always been our best case realistic option. Please do the right thing, BK.
 

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Elko to interview for the DC position

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WakeForest?src=hash">#WakeForest</a> DC Mike Elko is a hot commodity. Is expected to interview for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> DC job early this week, source tells <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports">@FoxSports</a>.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/808437827331461120">December 12, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Certainly they jest... I thought Kelly saying he was recruiting and not interviewing DC's meant that He was promoting from within. Weird
 

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Here's a kid that I'd love for ND to push for, should we get Elko. He was really impressed with Elko when he committed to Wake. Maybe we could gets something going here.

Michael Allen, 3 star WDE, from Buford GA.
 

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That is a 3-star that has an offer list worth getting excited about.

Michael Allen Recruit Interests

From previous interviews I read of him, academics are important, not a surprise since he's committed to Wake, and he really liked Elko. Not trying to get hopes up, but if there were a target to identify from this hire, he'd have to be at the top of the list.
 

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Elko to interview for the DC position

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WakeForest?src=hash">#WakeForest</a> DC Mike Elko is a hot commodity. Is expected to interview for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> DC job early this week, source tells <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports">@FoxSports</a>.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/808437827331461120">December 12, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yessssssss! This has always been our best case realistic option. Please do the right thing, BK.

I would be pumped to get Elko.

After the pipe dream of Strong, he was prob one of my top wishes

I posted for Elko a while back. He's my preference over Strong. Look at what he did with mediocre talent.at WF. If we land him, I think we'll all be quite pleased.
 
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