Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[NDgradstudent]

You can still be a fan and be critical. But the fan part should come first. And middle school antics that could bring negative light to the school, program, players, and coaches isn't being a fan to me. It's like being a kid throwing a fit at WalMart because they didn't get the toy they wanted. Maybe it is time to take you to the bathroom and spank your behind.

I think you are confused. I did not draw that; I linked to a tweet of it. I do not disapprove of it, though.

Many students are frustrated by the coaching situation and are expressing their frustration in various ways. I seriously doubt you would want to say that all the students with 'fire Kelly' signs in their rooms, or who have chanted 'fire Kelly' at the basketball games, or who otherwise want to fire Kelly, are not 'fans first.'

I don't understand how demanding Kelly's ouster brings "negative light" to the school. In my view, Kelly's sideline behavior, constant blaming the players, and evasion of responsibility have brought far more negative light to the school and the program than anything any ND student has done.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think you are confused. I did not draw that; I linked to a tweet of it. I do not disapprove of it, though.

Many students are frustrated by the coaching situation and are expressing their frustration in various ways. I seriously doubt you would want to say that all the students with 'fire Kelly' signs in their rooms, or who have chanted 'fire Kelly' at the basketball games, or who otherwise want to fire Kelly, are not 'fans first.'

I don't understand how demanding Kelly's ouster brings "negative light" to the school. In my view, Kelly's sideline behavior, constant blaming the players, and evasion of responsibility have brought far more negative light to the school and the program than anything any ND student has done.

I get your point and respect your opinion. And I too have lived through some pretty bad coaches over the course of the last 40+ years. And I get that IE is a place to express one's opinions. But being negative about Kelly most every post is a bit much and turns people off. And that's all I think posters out here are saying.

 

[Classic Irish]

Trolling

Interesting that there's been no reply. I have my own suspicions though.

 

[BabyIrish]

I think you are confused. I did not draw that; I linked to a tweet of it. I do not disapprove of it, though.

Many students are frustrated by the coaching situation and are expressing their frustration in various ways. I seriously doubt you would want to say that all the students with 'fire Kelly' signs in their rooms, or who have chanted 'fire Kelly' at the basketball games, or who otherwise want to fire Kelly, are not 'fans first.'

I don't understand how demanding Kelly's ouster brings "negative light" to the school. In my view, Kelly's sideline behavior, constant blaming the players, and evasion of responsibility have brought far more negative light to the school and the program than anything any ND student has done.

It brings negative light because the ship has sailed. We're not having a coaching change. Get over it and move on. We all wanted a change but it didn't happen this year. Having a house divided isn't good. Let's unite for the sake of everyone- fans, players and coaches and show were in this together.

 

[OCIrish]

I'm astonished that anyone on this board is comfortable with the fukking$hit show that was this past season, and so many giving Kelly a free pass. It's not just one season. I used to defend him, but these past few seasons have proven he's not the man for the job. If Swarbrick needs to go as well, then so be it.......I don't necessarily agree with Gradstudent on everything, but cmon, you guys and talking about the neg recruiting that goes on, hell, coaches from other schools don't need a whole lot in that Dept, so go another route with your argument

 

[kmoose]

I'm astonished that anyone on this board is comfortable with the fukking$hit show that was this past season, and so many giving Kelly a free pass. It's not just one season. I used to defend him, but these past few seasons have proven he's not the man for the job. If Swarbrick needs to go as well, then so be it.......I don't necessarily agree with Gradstudent on everything, but cmon, you guys and talking about the neg recruiting that goes on, hell, coaches from other schools don't need a whole lot in that Dept, so go another route with your argument

I don't think anyone is really comfortable with this last season. But the Administration has made their decision, and Kelly will be back for one more year. So now there are two choices:

1. Show support, even if begrudging, of the school by supporting the Administration, the coaching staff, and the team. You can't pick and choose which of those you will support, or not. They all form one big team. So if you openly oppose any one group, then you undermine support for the entire team, the players included.

or:

2. You can bitch and whine like a spoiled child, and let the whole world know that you think you are a special snowflake by acting out like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum.

 

[PerthDomer]

Or vote with your pocket book, stop donating, stop going to games, make your discomfort known so the C$C knows next time keeping a dead man walking to save a few mil is going to cost them more than the extra buyout money. Because you know if he goes 8-4 next year they'll wanna keep him even though the voices calling for his head will get louder.

 

[Valpodoc85]

On another note, any thoughts or rumors regarding DC?

 

[bkess8]

On another note, any thoughts or rumors regarding DC?

Was going to ask the same thing and didn't feel like going back through all the whining to find any details.

 

[Luckylucci]

Kelly said he wasn't going to address it until the dead period started. He wanted to go full time recruiting and so far that's paid off, some. Making Banks a priority and all.

 

[connor_in]

Sorry, but dead period starts this week? Next week?

 

[Luckylucci]

I believe it's Dec. 19th through Jan. 3rd.

 

[dad4aa]

From the NCAA recruiting calendar:

Dead Period - December 12, 2016, through January 11, 2017: [applicable to all prospective student-athletes (see Bylaw 13.02.5.5.2)]:

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I'm astonished that anyone on this board is comfortable with the fukking$hit show that was this past season, and so many giving Kelly a free pass. It's not just one season. I used to defend him, but these past few seasons have proven he's not the man for the job. If Swarbrick needs to go as well, then so be it.......I don't necessarily agree with Gradstudent on everything, but cmon, you guys and talking about the neg recruiting that goes on, hell, coaches from other schools don't need a whole lot in that Dept, so go another route with your argument

I think activism is important here, but there are, clearly, members who don't. Just ignore them. Like someone else said, speak with your wallet, keep fighting the good fight, complain loudly, draw fire Kelly in the snow, all that. It's all good stuff. The short term may hurt the program, but it's all for the greater good, a long game that some are incapable of comprehending.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Why is the staff taking so long hiring a DC? If I'm Thomas graham id like to know who my coordinator is gonna be before I say yes to coming here

 

[irishff1014]

Why is the staff taking so long hiring a DC? If I'm Thomas graham id like to know who my coordinator is gonna be before I say yes to coming here

Recruiting right now. The dead period starts soon and that's when the DC stuff will take place.

 

[kmoose]

SIAP:

People mentioned Fickell as one of the people they might like.

Cincinnati Bearcats hire Luke Fickell as head coach

 

[Classic Irish]

I think activism is important here, but there are, clearly, members who don't. Just ignore them. Like someone else said, speak with your wallet, keep fighting the good fight, complain loudly, draw fire Kelly in the snow, all that. It's all good stuff. The short term may hurt the program, but it's all for the greater good, a long game that some are incapable of comprehending.

^^^^^^^^^Clueless.

 

[mango4]

Pete Thamel expects USF to hire Strong.

https://twitter.com/sipetethamel/status/807956722786725888


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[Cackalacky]

Why is the staff taking so long hiring a DC? If I'm Thomas graham id like to know who my coordinator is gonna be before I say yes to coming here

Its because their DC is already on the staff and is already out recruiting.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Well if that's the case then we can prepare ourselves for another shitty year, the staff needs to bring in someone new and fresh with some energy outside higher

 

[tko]

Where is dwshade with commentary on the DC situation? He had the Kelly answer, so let's go shade!!!!!

 

[stlnd01]

I'm astonished that anyone on this board is comfortable with the fukking$hit show that was this past season, and so many giving Kelly a free pass. It's not just one season. I used to defend him, but these past few seasons have proven he's not the man for the job. If Swarbrick needs to go as well, then so be it.......I don't necessarily agree with Gradstudent on everything, but cmon, you guys and talking about the neg recruiting that goes on, hell, coaches from other schools don't need a whole lot in that Dept, so go another route with your argument

Not a matter of "giving Kelly a free pass," or "being comfortable" with 4-8. It's being realistic.
He has proven himself to be a very good coach for Notre Dame, despite what you accurately described as the fukking$hit show of a season that just ended. He's got alot of young talent and a big checkbook (presumably) to go hire a top-flight DC. We're in position to win 10 games next year and compete for a playoff spot. Just like we did in 2015 (which didn't seem like such a terrible season to me.)

More to the point he's probably a better coach than anyone else available to us right now. Jack Swarbrick isn't going to fire Brian Kelly after one bad season to hire PJ Fleck or even Tom Herman. That would be reckless and Swarbrick ain't that. Another bad season? Maybe a different story.

And even more to the point, Kelly is going to be Notre Dame's coach next year. He just is. So one can whine about it, write "Fire Kelly" in the snow or waste money on pompous and silly newspaper ads. Or one can move on and support the team. As the immortal Putty put it, you gotta support the team.

 

[Cali_domer]

I'll just leave this here.

 

[IrishLax]

It brings negative light because the ship has sailed. We're not having a coaching change. Get over it and move on. We all wanted a change but it didn't happen this year. Having a house divided isn't good. Let's unite for the sake of everyone- fans, players and coaches and show were in this together.

Yup.

I'm astonished that anyone on this board is comfortable with the fukking$hit show that was this past season, and so many giving Kelly a free pass. It's not just one season. I used to defend him, but these past few seasons have proven he's not the man for the job. If Swarbrick needs to go as well, then so be it.......I don't necessarily agree with Gradstudent on everything, but cmon, you guys and talking about the neg recruiting that goes on, hell, coaches from other schools don't need a whole lot in that Dept, so go another route with your argument

Nope.

I think activism is important here, but there are, clearly, members who don't. Just ignore them. Like someone else said, speak with your wallet, keep fighting the good fight, complain loudly, draw fire Kelly in the snow, all that. It's all good stuff. The short term may hurt the program, but it's all for the greater good, a long game that some are incapable of comprehending.

Good grief.

Shamrock and OC... what if I told you that on top of recruits/parents being on social media, they also read these boards? What if I told you that after an ISD member made a post about with a "letter he was sending to Swarbrick" that a parent of a very prominent recruit called an ISD reporter asking "what the hell is wrong with Notre Dame fans?" And then what if I told you that this wasn't uncommon and that multiple parents have noted to multiple professionals that the actions of Notre Dame fans over the latter half of the season up to today are a "big turnoff" and "troubling"? Those are direct quotes from players' parents everyone on here would REALLY give a shit about landing.

It's not about supporting Kelly because you think he's the answer, it's about accepting the fact that he is not getting replaced this year* regardless of how much of a tantrum you throw. So once you accept that fact, there is literally no logical or rational reason to act how people are acting with their ads and such.

Fan support is considered one of ND's biggest selling points, especially relative to some peers we recruit against like Stanford. These public actions being taken are not only undermining what is a perceived positive, but also validating negative recruiting and other concerns that prospects/parents have. If you can't see the tangible harm from these actions... but you do see a tangible benefit... that's pure cognitive dissonance.

*There's an outside chance that after the NFL season concludes something could happen. Very improbable at this point. And it'll have nothing to do with newspaper ads and snow messages.

 

[NDdomer2]

Lax is Morpheus....

 

[Classic Irish]

Yup.



Nope.



Good grief.

Shamrock and OC... what if I told you that on top of recruits/parents being on social media, they also read these boards? What if I told you that after an ISD member made a post about with a "letter he was sending to Swarbrick" that a parent of a very prominent recruit called an ISD reporter asking "what the hell is wrong with Notre Dame fans?" And then what if I told you that this wasn't uncommon and that multiple parents have noted to multiple professionals that the actions of Notre Dame fans over the latter half of the season up to today are a "big turnoff" and "troubling"? Those are direct quotes from players' parents everyone on here would REALLY give a shit about landing.

It's not about supporting Kelly because you think he's the answer, it's about accepting the fact that he is not getting replaced this year* regardless of how much of a tantrum you throw. So once you accept that fact, there is literally no logical or rational reason to act how people are acting with their ads and such.

Fan support is considered one of ND's biggest selling points, especially relative to some peers we recruit against like Stanford. These public actions being taken are not only undermining what is a perceived positive, but also validating negative recruiting and other concerns that prospects/parents have. If you can't see the tangible harm from these actions... but you do see a tangible benefit... that's pure cognitive dissonance.

*There's an outside chance that after the NFL season concludes something could happen. Very improbable at this point. And it'll have nothing to do with newspaper ads and snow messages.

Would rep if I could. Spot on.

 

[kmoose]

I'll just leave this here.

I wonder how Mr. Mike Murphy, ND '89, would feel if a group of Notre Dame fans got together and took out a full page ad in his local paper, proclaiming what a douchebag he is, and just letting him know that many other alumni and fans wish he and his ilk would STFU, or at least find a less destructive way to express their concern?

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I'll just leave this here.

Is that in the tribune?

 

[NDgradstudent]

I wonder how Mr. Mike Murphy, ND '89, would feel if a group of Notre Dame fans got together and took out a full page ad in his local paper, proclaiming what a douchebag he is, and just letting him know that many other alumni and fans wish he and his ilk would STFU, or at least find a less destructive way to express their concern?

It's actually Dr. Mike Murphy, ND '89 (he is a physician).

Does Dr. Mike Murphy, ND '89, make millions of dollars a year to run ND football? Being the coach at ND (or any major program) is like being a politician. It is not a job for someone who doesn't want attention or criticism. Kelly receives the scrutiny commensurate with his job.