Wake Forest Post Game Thread

[Luckylucci]

IMO a lot of this goes back to playing with BW the first three games. BW hesitates on some throws, starts moving in the pocket, decides to throw when it's too late or scrambles. Hard to get into a rhythm and learn the soft spots when there's no consistency from the QB.

Well, I don't how that would matter, since we saw the issue with this last weekend. Hence the "teaching" moment BK gave to Finke after the play.

The soft spot of the zone is dependent on the coverage from the DB/LB's. Just like any position, WR's should go into each week understanding the types of zone coverage they might see. Recognize it as such and run the route accordingly. WR's are certainly tasked with running routes based on coverage.

Outside checks at the LOS into different plays or trying to manipulate the coverage with physical motion like eyes, ball fakes, etc. Not sure how much of that falls on the QB.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I haven't seen it since real time but my first thought was you have to throw that ball as soon as he clears the middle zone and lead him into the empty space... it was there wide open for a second. Book waited a bit too long... it's just one play though guys, these things happen.

It's a good thing to have one or two plays to pick apart as opposed to an entire game of plays.

 

[irishandy]

You say you're not here to knock Wimbush but you bring up the TDs/INTs when you know Wimbush gets pulled in the Red Zone.

Tell me about Book's decision making. It was quick and sharp. His execution helped RBs, WRs, and OLs better execute their jobs. Thus providing a better offensive performance.

What I said about Wimbush and his TDs/INTs was not a knock, it's a fact.

Sure I'll tell you about Book's decision making from what I've seen to this point that I think he's made good decisions. He hangs in the pocket, uses his legs when needed, and I think he has a damn good roll out pass.

 

[ACamp1900]

It's a good thing to have one or two plays to pick apart as opposed to an entire game of plays.

The good old days.... when shit was so bad w couldn’t even decide what to argue about.

 

[Irish YJ]

IMO a lot of this goes back to playing with BW the first three games. BW hesitates on some throws, starts moving in the pocket, decides to throw when it's too late or scrambles. Hard to get into a rhythm and learn the soft spots when there's no consistency from the QB.

Agree for the most part. It also could go back even to last year, pre-season practice, etc.. When you have a starting QB with accuracy/consistency issues, it's simply harder to develop your WRs and TEs period. I've said several times over the last year or so that it's hard to criticize them, or Alexander until you have a decent sample size with a consistent and accurate passer. In one game our WR's, TEs, their coaches, the OC, and HC all looked pretty damn good when it comes to on the field performance, game prep, game plan, etc..

To early to crown Book, any other players, any coaches, etc.., but it was a damn good start.

One thing we can all agree on is that Book was quick, accurate, and not afraid to use his legs (didn't seem BK was shy calling run plays for him either). 10 players caught balls, the OL looked much better, and the D got a lot of rest. It was a good week, but it's one game.

Go Irish beat Stanford!

 

[greyhammer90]

Rewatching the game. Armstrong has the chance to be really special if he keeps improving at this rate. He's doing a great job learning how to use his blockers.

 

[ND88]

As one who has been a pretty stout BW supporter, I don't know how anyone who watched this offense click on Saturday can still be chiming in that BW is the guy over Book. I love BW, great play-maker and outstanding athlete, but Book is clearly, far and away, much more comfortable running this offense in its entirety and it showed. He was quick and decisive when he needed to be, but also VERY patient in the pocket going through his progressions when he needed to be as well. The

I don't believe that BW is done for good this season. He was way too good in the red zone last year to not keep a few packages in mind for him in the vent that Book's offense slows down a bit in certain situations.

It's okay to have strong opinions towards a team's players. It's also okay to admit when you may have been wrong. BW is the man, great athlete combined with even better character. But he has never moved the offense in a surgical fashion like Bood did. Most of the big games from a year ago, save WF, were the result of a big game from the OL and the running game (which includes Wimbush, of course). But I loved the balance we saw on Saturday.

There’s no question Book earned the right to start vs. the Trees, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t still justified question marks. And I say this not to put down Book, but to not have false expectations that he won’t have some growing pains versus a fairly legit defense. Wake did not have a respectable defense. They were awful. Book carved those turkeys up like it was early Thanksgiving. I’m rooting for Book to do what he did against Wake this Saturday versus Stanford. His performance this weekend should settle what has been a relatively healthy debate.

But yeah, I don’t like the Wimbush is not a QB debate or Wimbush has overrated athleticism precisely because what happens if Book starts showing flaws? These are our players and it seems unnecessary. We might also need Wimbush again later just like we need Book now.

 

[Luckylucci]

Rewatching the game. Armstrong has the chance to be really special if he keeps improving at this rate. He's doing a great job learning how to use his blockers.

Yep, I’d say noticeable improvement since week 1. Very good to see

 

[SonofOahu]

It's been awhile since I've watched an ND game and felt bad for the other QB. That poor guy was getting teed off on all game.

"The quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard."

 

[SonofOahu]

I was critical of that Book throw to Finke in real time, and watching it back right now I was certainly incorrect about it being "inaccurate." But I also think the "Finke needs to settle down in the zone" is only half correct.

Book throws it to the right spot, he's just late with it. He's moving to his right and takes about two extra steps he doesn't need to before releasing the ball. If he throws it earlier to that exact same spot -- really the only place he could put the ball safely -- it's an easy completion AND Finke keeps running. Finke does need to realize that he's running himself out of the window though, and/or just make the catch.

The more I watch Finke, the more I'm convinced he's going to end up on the Patriots and have a nice ten-year career. Above all other players, I think Finke has impressed me the most, so far this season.

 

[Irish#1]

Well, I don't how that would matter, since we saw the issue with this last weekend. Hence the "teaching" moment BK gave to Finke after the play.

The soft spot of the zone is dependent on the coverage from the DB/LB's. Just like any position, WR's should go into each week understanding the types of zone coverage they might see. Recognize it as such and run the route accordingly. WR's are certainly tasked with running routes based on coverage.

Outside checks at the LOS into different plays or trying to manipulate the coverage with physical motion like eyes, ball fakes, etc. Not sure how much of that falls on the QB.

I saw that play and immediately thought that one was on Finke and not Book. IMO what you might have seen is something of a residual effect. Putting in a new QB isn't going to solve those things immediately. It's going to take a few games for the QB and WR's to get dialed in.

 

[Irish#1]

Rewatching the game. Armstrong has the chance to be really special if he keeps improving at this rate. He's doing a great job learning how to use his blockers.

Yep, he's getting better game by game. I'm ready for him to pop one against Stanford.

 

[NDRock]

The more I watch Finke, the more I'm convinced he's going to end up on the Patriots and have a nice ten-year career. Above all other players, I think Finke has impressed me the most, so far this season.

Finke is a nice college player but I would be shocked if he plays in the NFL for one year much less ten. I hope I'm wrong, probably am.

 

[dublinirish]

The more I watch Finke, the more I'm convinced he's going to end up on the Patriots and have a nice ten-year career. Above all other players, I think Finke has impressed me the most, so far this season.

Bill Regan on ISD pronounced his name as Finky yesterday on their podcast. i lol'ed

 

[Old Man Mike]

The "infamous Finke/Book miss" was in my opinion just a typical play in which a defense makes it hard on the offensive call to work, and sometimes you hit it perfectly and sometimes you don't. Neither of our guys needs to be spanked for this sort of play.

And as to "sitting down" in space: one commentator here was right on --- this is a learned instant habit, not a thought process. If you have been subjected to a QB who is NOT "on time" during all the practice routes, you are not instinct-learning the "sit down in space." Give our guys some serious time with Ian and they will.

 

[Rack Em]

The "infamous Finke/Book miss" was in my opinion just a typical play in which a defense makes it hard on the offensive call to work, and sometimes you hit it perfectly and sometimes you don't. Neither of our guys needs to be spanked for this sort of play.

And as to "sitting down" in space: one commentator here was right on --- this is a learned instant habit, not a thought process. If you have been subjected to a QB who is NOT "on time" during all the practice routes, you are not instinct-learning the "sit down in space." Give our guys some serious time with Ian and they will.

Tell that to ACamp's old lady. She hands those out regularly to him.




And he likes it.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Tell that to ACamp's old lady. She hands those out regularly to him.




And he likes it.

It does offer a nice alternative to traditional cotton. Can't blame him.

 

[Luckylucci]

The "infamous Finke/Book miss" was in my opinion just a typical play in which a defense makes it hard on the offensive call to work, and sometimes you hit it perfectly and sometimes you don't. Neither of our guys needs to be spanked for this sort of play.

And as to "sitting down" in space: one commentator here was right on --- this is a learned instant habit, not a thought process. If you have been subjected to a QB who is NOT "on time" during all the practice routes, you are not instinct-learning the "sit down in space." Give our guys some serious time with Ian and they will.

Sorry, this isn't the case. It's certainly a thought process. It's all about recognition of the coverage. It's coached, or at least should be. WR's are 100% tasked with recognizing coverage and reacting accordingly. Just google it.

 

[phgreek]

Sorry, this isn't the case. It's certainly a thought process. It's all about recognition of the coverage. It's coached, or at least should be. WR's are 100% tasked with recognizing coverage and reacting accordingly. Just google it.

Yea, finkster is not a seasoned vet in terms of reps. He is going to blow reads here and there...he may even recognize, run the right route based on his recognition, and still drift at the endl. Catalyst to learning is drifting across like that into BACKER space...usually only happens a couple times and you either prioritize sitting on a spot in your execution, or you eventually get concussed...

 

[Dizzyphil]

I’m optimistic in nature. But Wake Forest. They gave up 41 to a BC team that couldn’t score against 0-3 Purdue. Think we were gonna score a lot regardless of QB. That’s not to take away from Book because he was awesome today and it was so nice utilizing the tight end again. Imma wait one more week before truly forming an opinion on Book.

Need to get Young a couple screens a game. He’s electric in space.

Hartman got so abused and looked shellshocked. Our front 7 (and defense as a whole) abused Wake.

Was very happy I was able to watch the first 3 quarters here in Playa del Carmen before going to the Beach club..

Yea, finkster is not a seasoned vet in terms of reps. He is going to blow reads here and there...he may even recognize, run the right route based on his recognition, and still drift at the endl. Catalyst to learning is drifting across like that into BACKER space...usually only happens a couple times and you either prioritize sitting on a spot in your execution, or you eventually get concussed...

I still believe Finke can be an 'Amendola' type route runner for the Irish. May take more game-time to get there. Hopefully sooner than later.