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I agree they have more talent/size etc.. I think a lot of teams have put focus on stopping their run (with all the love for Love), only to get burned by their big WR/TEs. I just hope ND doesn't put to much focus on stopping the passing game, giving Love a chance to have a breakout game. Oregon is top 10 vs the run stat wise.



I don't think that means much of anything.

All three of Oregon's FBS opponents, which are Bowling Green, San Jose State and Stanford, all rank at the absolute bottom of rushing offenses in the country.

Stanford, even with Bryce Love, has been an appalling 122nd. They are the best rushing attack Oregon has faced. I believe they'll prove to be mediocre defensively, if that. They haven't given much evidence in recent years otherwise.

That statistic looks far worse when you consider that none of the teams they play are traditionally good defenses.

It's wasn't just Oregon. Everybody has been holding Stanford's rushing attack in check.

Interesting stat, but through four games, Stanford's offense has yet to put up more than 30 points in regulation, and has yet to have a game in which they gained at least 400 yards of total offense. Of course, the same could have been said for ND up until last Saturday.
 
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This is something I thought about while watching Wake so I'm sure it's been asked.

But what type of coverage does Wake run? Man? Zone? Tampa 2?

I wonder if Book's style is much more effective against whatever-Wake ran. I also don't know what Stanford runs and if it's different or not from Wake.
 

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Thanks. So is that zone? Or Man? And do you know what Stanford runs? I wasn't able to watch the Wake game closely and my Direct TV Now DVR that was set to record, didn't.

4-2-5 is also Notre Dame's base defense. It can be man or zone, depending on the aggressiveness of the DC; down and distance also plays a factor. Clark Lea usually has the DBs playing a little soft, which I don't like that much. Although, they played a little more press man against Wake.

Stanford's base defense is a 3-4 (per the same website), which is the same base as Ball State and Vandy. If Book plays even close to how he did against Wake, there is a snow balls chance in hell that Stanford will get to play in their base defense. Why? Because if they stay in their base defense, it will be matchup nightmare galore; you'll have linebackers lining up against slot receivers, linebackers/safeties against tight ends, and a lot of 1v1 on the outside.

This is why Brandon struggled so much against Ball State and Vandy. They didn't respect the pass and he didn't beat them with his arm. The result of that? BSU and Vandy never didn't have to go to nickel or dime very often so they were able to stack the box with their 3-4 base.

What changes with Ian Book at QB? Teams will now have to respect the passing game and teams like Stanford won't be able to play in their base defense often. This will open up running lanes because they'll have extra DBs instead of extra guys in the box.

Will Stanford play man or zone? That remains to be seen. But having a QB that can throw the ball will open everything up. Ian has shown to be very accurate so I'm not that worried if they play man or zone. Get them out of their 3-4 and watch Tony and Jafar run wild.
 

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4-2-5 is also Notre Dame's base defense. It can be man or zone, depending on the aggressiveness of the DC; down and distance also plays a factor. Clark Lea usually has the DBs playing a little soft, which I don't like that much. Although, they played a little more press man against Wake.

Stanford's base defense is a 3-4 (per the same website), which is the same base as Ball State and Vandy. If Book plays even close to how he did against Wake, there is a snow balls chance in hell that Stanford will get to play in their base defense. Why? Because if they stay in their base defense, it will be matchup nightmare galore; you'll have linebackers lining up against slot receivers, linebackers/safeties against tight ends, and a lot of 1v1 on the outside.

This is why Brandon struggled so much against Ball State and Vandy. They didn't respect the pass and he didn't beat them with his arm. The result of that? BSU and Vandy never didn't have to go to nickel or dime very often so they were able to stack the box with their 3-4 base.

What changes with Ian Book at QB? Teams will now have to respect the passing game and teams like Stanford won't be able to play in their base defense often. This will open up running lanes because they'll have extra DBs instead of extra guys in the box.

Will Stanford play man or zone? That remains to be seen. But having a QB that can throw the ball will open everything up. Ian has shown to be very accurate so I'm not that worried if they play man or zone. Get them out of their 3-4 and watch Tony and Jafar run wild.

To my untrained eye, it looked like Oregon had a very similar RPO offense to what we ran against Wake. It'd be interesting to see what formations they were in during that game, especially when they were getting torched, and then when they were stopping Oregon dead in their tracks.
 
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4-2-5 is also Notre Dame's base defense. It can be man or zone, depending on the aggressiveness of the DC; down and distance also plays a factor. Clark Lea usually has the DBs playing a little soft, which I don't like that much. Although, they played a little more press man against Wake.

Stanford's base defense is a 3-4 (per the same website), which is the same base as Ball State and Vandy. If Book plays even close to how he did against Wake, there is a snow balls chance in hell that Stanford will get to play in their base defense. Why? Because if they stay in their base defense, it will be matchup nightmare galore; you'll have linebackers lining up against slot receivers, linebackers/safeties against tight ends, and a lot of 1v1 on the outside.

This is why Brandon struggled so much against Ball State and Vandy. They didn't respect the pass and he didn't beat them with his arm. The result of that? BSU and Vandy never didn't have to go to nickel or dime very often so they were able to stack the box with their 3-4 base.

What changes with Ian Book at QB? Teams will now have to respect the passing game and teams like Stanford won't be able to play in their base defense often. This will open up running lanes because they'll have extra DBs instead of extra guys in the box.

Will Stanford play man or zone? That remains to be seen. But having a QB that can throw the ball will open everything up. Ian has shown to be very accurate so I'm not that worried if they play man or zone. Get them out of their 3-4 and watch Tony and Jafar run wild.

Thanks Arrow. Reps.
 

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To my untrained eye, it looked like Oregon had a very similar RPO offense to what we ran against Wake. It'd be interesting to see what formations they were in during that game, especially when they were getting torched, and then when they were stopping Oregon dead in their tracks.

The big issue in that game is that Oregon has done a terrible job of protecting the football. In the three games against FBS opponents, Oregon has turned the ball over 7 times, 3 against Stanford.

That made all the difference. From a yardage perspective, Oregon moved the ball better than they did against San Jose State or Bowling Green.

In addition, Oregon's not a better rushing team that ND is this year. Again, against FBS opponents, they haven't managed to average better than 5 yards per carry. Pretty terrible when you consider the competition.
 

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Buddy I work with whose a Michigan fan came up to me and was bragging out good Book looked compared to WImbush
 

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Thanks. So is that zone? Or Man? And do you know what Stanford runs? I wasn't able to watch the Wake game closely and my Direct TV Now DVR that was set to record, didn't.

More to your point, the announcer stated that Wake was very aggressive and used a lot of blitzes against BC only to get burned, so they dialed back and played a little more read and react defense keeping more defenders to guard against the pass.
 

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Yes it was hot - stands facing west cleared out as you felt like you were in a frying pan. "only" 90 degrees but with no wind that stadium just retained heat in the sun. I poached an open seat in the press box shade for the second half or else would not have stuck around with a 6 year old in tow. Thank God for Kona Ice (never thought I would say that). Not bad in the shade at all - future reference I will pay up for shade in the south! I did enjoy the cozy environment and open feel to the stadium.

As someone else stated - Book makes everyone's job on offense easier. OL looks so much crisper and confident. WR/TE/RBs catching smoothly and in stride. He really should have won this in the spring - I think all the "everyone else needed to get better" talk is just a cop out. CBK is making excuses for ignoring what has been right in front of him since January 1st. So refreshing.

One "drop" throw behind Finke - watching the replay at home saw the DB on the outside that would have picked it had Book led Finke. In real time seemed like a bad throw but in review looked like only place to put it.

One deep pass comes to mind that looked good except Young or Austin (can't remember which) got tangled with defender - not really overthrown and put where our guy would have a good shot had they run clean. Plenty of arm to stretch the field, IMO. Plus you don't need as much arm if you decide quicker and release.

Wow did their QB take a beating. They had a few undersized guys that hung in there but I started to feel bad for them.

I'm not as high on RB play as some others here, I feel like they juked a bunch vs punching upfield. I think they got an ear full at halftime on that as second half they were much more aggressive - including my favorite play of the day where Tony Jones steamrolled the guy at the 10 (sized him up for a good 20 yards). You do that first and then juke later when they are busy bracing for impact.

Really hoping Dex takes that to a new level this week. Using the whole field opens up so much in the run game - felt all day like Dex would look all world in all of that space. Serviceable group but excited to see what adding a game breaker to the mix does to our upside.

Overall - I like the trajectory. Beyond feeling like a true Top 10 team now, the rest of the schedule is looking quite manageable. Stanford coming to us after that OT mess in Oregon feels like we should have momentum for once against them. Our guys have to feel good after WF but also humbled from early season hiccups. VT is still a concern but not circled as a loss as it was before they lost to OD and we found a QB I trust not to repeat Miami '17.
 

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As one who has been a pretty stout BW supporter, I don't know how anyone who watched this offense click on Saturday can still be chiming in that BW is the guy over Book. I love BW, great play-maker and outstanding athlete, but Book is clearly, far and away, much more comfortable running this offense in its entirety and it showed. He was quick and decisive when he needed to be, but also VERY patient in the pocket going through his progressions when he needed to be as well. The

I don't believe that BW is done for good this season. He was way too good in the red zone last year to not keep a few packages in mind for him in the vent that Book's offense slows down a bit in certain situations.

It's okay to have strong opinions towards a team's players. It's also okay to admit when you may have been wrong. BW is the man, great athlete combined with even better character. But he has never moved the offense in a surgical fashion like Bood did. Most of the big games from a year ago, save WF, were the result of a big game from the OL and the running game (which includes Wimbush, of course). But I loved the balance we saw on Saturday.
 

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Yes it was hot - stands facing west cleared out as you felt like you were in a frying pan. "only" 90 degrees but with no wind that stadium just retained heat in the sun. I poached an open seat in the press box shade for the second half or else would not have stuck around with a 6 year old in tow. Thank God for Kona Ice (never thought I would say that). Not bad in the shade at all - future reference I will pay up for shade in the south! I did enjoy the cozy environment and open feel to the stadium.

As someone else stated - Book makes everyone's job on offense easier. OL looks so much crisper and confident. WR/TE/RBs catching smoothly and in stride. He really should have won this in the spring - I think all the "everyone else needed to get better" talk is just a cop out. CBK is making excuses for ignoring what has been right in front of him since January 1st. So refreshing.

One "drop" throw behind Finke - watching the replay at home saw the DB on the outside that would have picked it had Book led Finke. In real time seemed like a bad throw but in review looked like only place to put it.

One deep pass comes to mind that looked good except Young or Austin (can't remember which) got tangled with defender - not really overthrown and put where our guy would have a good shot had they run clean. Plenty of arm to stretch the field, IMO. Plus you don't need as much arm if you decide quicker and release.

Wow did their QB take a beating. They had a few undersized guys that hung in there but I started to feel bad for them.

I'm not as high on RB play as some others here, I feel like they juked a bunch vs punching upfield. I think they got an ear full at halftime on that as second half they were much more aggressive - including my favorite play of the day where Tony Jones steamrolled the guy at the 10 (sized him up for a good 20 yards). You do that first and then juke later when they are busy bracing for impact.

Really hoping Dex takes that to a new level this week. Using the whole field opens up so much in the run game - felt all day like Dex would look all world in all of that space. Serviceable group but excited to see what adding a game breaker to the mix does to our upside.

Overall - I like the trajectory. Beyond feeling like a true Top 10 team now, the rest of the schedule is looking quite manageable. Stanford coming to us after that OT mess in Oregon feels like we should have momentum for once against them. Our guys have to feel good after WF but also humbled from early season hiccups. VT is still a concern but not circled as a loss as it was before they lost to OD and we found a QB I trust not to repeat Miami '17.

To the bold, there were actually two "mistakes" with that throw that led to what happened.

1, Book didn't throw the ball on time. The placement of the ball was the correct one, BUT it was late. He throws it to the spot earlier, it's caught.
2, Finke needs to settle into the soft spot where he was open, instead of continuing through the route towards defenders. Recognize it's 4th down, we just need to get the 1st, and sit in the zone for an easy pitch and catch.
 

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To the bold, there were actually two "mistakes" with that throw that led to what happened.

1, Book didn't throw the ball on time. The placement of the ball was the correct one, BUT it was late. He throws it to the spot earlier, it's caught.
2, Finke needs to settle into the soft spot where he was open, instead of continuing through the route towards defenders. Recognize it's 4th down, we just need to get the 1st, and sit in the zone for an easy pitch and catch.

After the drop BK was giving him the business on the sidelines. I'm sure that's what he was telling him. I was thinking the same thing.
 

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After the drop BK was giving him the business on the sidelines. I'm sure that's what he was telling him. I was thinking the same thing.

I’ll say this for Finke...he absolved himself with a great game after that. I was pissed when he dropped that & questioned his role as a starter but he shook off the transition to a new QB and excelled as WR & PR.
 

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I know Nose Tackle is not a stat stuffing position in Clark Lea’s defense but I hope Bonner and Hinish improve their play. Jayson Ademilola has more tackles than Hinish and almost as many as Bonner in fewer snaps. Love the amount of rotation going on at DLine though. It’s keeping everyone fresh and healthy which is great.

Khalid Kareem - 4 games
Jerry Tillery - 4 games
Daelin Hayes - 4 games
Julian Okwara - 4 games
Jonathan Bonner - 4 games
Adetokunbo Ogundeji - 4 games
Kurt Hinish - 4 games
Jayson Ademilola - 4 games
Jamir Jones - 3 games
Micah Dew-Treadway - 3 games
Justin Ademilola - 1 game
Ja’Mion Franklin - 1 game (INJ)
Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa - 1 game (INJ)
Kofi Wardlow - 0 games

Also, btw, why has Kofi Wardlow not gotten a snap?
 

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I honestly thought Kona Ice was a local thing... that's pretty much what I learned from this page...
 

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1) LOL at anyone "pissed" at Finke or any other kid for not catching a ball. Happens all the time at all levels. I think he has caught enough thrown his way and the pass was in an awkward enough spot to give him plenty of benefit of the doubt on whether his life should depend on making that catch.

2) Thanks for the color on the Finke route - felt like there had to be more to merit the "coaching up" on the sideline

3) Applying BW math logic that every single ball near a receiver should be caught - Book would have been 27-34 instead of 25-34 for the day (79.4% vs 73.5%). Not bad for a bunch of guys that were being blamed for not even being able to catch a cold the previous three weeks.

4) If I could replay my life I would skip college and just buy Kona Ice trucks in warm climates - would probably be a billionaire by now.
 

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I know Nose Tackle is not a stat stuffing position in Clark Lea’s defense but I hope Bonner and Hinish improve their play. Jayson Ademilola has more tackles than Hinish and almost as many as Bonner in fewer snaps. Love the amount of rotation going on at DLine though. It’s keeping everyone fresh and healthy which is great.

Khalid Kareem - 4 games
Jerry Tillery - 4 games
Daelin Hayes - 4 games
Julian Okwara - 4 games
Jonathan Bonner - 4 games
Adetokunbo Ogundeji - 4 games
Kurt Hinish - 4 games
Jayson Ademilola - 4 games
Jamir Jones - 3 games
Micah Dew-Treadway - 3 games
Justin Ademilola - 1 game
Ja’Mion Franklin - 1 game (INJ)
Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa - 1 game (INJ)
Kofi Wardlow - 0 games

Also, btw, why has Kofi Wardlow not gotten a snap?

Did anyone notice Justin Ademilola with 5 tackles Saturday I think he will be a good one for us too
 

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To the bold, there were actually two "mistakes" with that throw that led to what happened.

1, Book didn't throw the ball on time. The placement of the ball was the correct one, BUT it was late. He throws it to the spot earlier, it's caught.
2, Finke needs to settle into the soft spot where he was open, instead of continuing through the route towards defenders. Recognize it's 4th down, we just need to get the 1st, and sit in the zone for an easy pitch and catch.

I've noticed our WR's have been having troubles with this all season. They seem to just continue on the route, even at times taking themselves out of the play, running in back of the coverage, etc. I would think we (Alexander, Long, someone) would be doing a better job of helping them understand zone coverage and where those soft spots will be.

Side note, at this early juncture if I had to choose a position coach that is the weak link, it's got to be Alexander. It seems like we've seen improvement across the board with this team at it's various position groups. I just don't see it from the WR's.
 

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I know Nose Tackle is not a stat stuffing position in Clark Lea’s defense but I hope Bonner and Hinish improve their play. Jayson Ademilola has more tackles than Hinish and almost as many as Bonner in fewer snaps. Love the amount of rotation going on at DLine though. It’s keeping everyone fresh and healthy which is great.

Khalid Kareem - 4 games
Jerry Tillery - 4 games
Daelin Hayes - 4 games
Julian Okwara - 4 games
Jonathan Bonner - 4 games
Adetokunbo Ogundeji - 4 games
Kurt Hinish - 4 games
Jayson Ademilola - 4 games
Jamir Jones - 3 games
Micah Dew-Treadway - 3 games
Justin Ademilola - 1 game
Ja’Mion Franklin - 1 game (INJ)
Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa - 1 game (INJ)
Kofi Wardlow - 0 games

Also, btw, why has Kofi Wardlow not gotten a snap?

Not worried about Bonner and Hinish. They have been, for the most part, doing their job. It was a big switch moving Tillery and Bonner that is paying off in more one on one's and, as a result, more tackles by Tillery. I've noticed Hinish and Bonner both standing ground in our games, allowing for others to clean up.
 

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I was critical of that Book throw to Finke in real time, and watching it back right now I was certainly incorrect about it being "inaccurate." But I also think the "Finke needs to settle down in the zone" is only half correct.

Book throws it to the right spot, he's just late with it. He's moving to his right and takes about two extra steps he doesn't need to before releasing the ball. If he throws it earlier to that exact same spot -- really the only place he could put the ball safely -- it's an easy completion AND Finke keeps running. Finke does need to realize that he's running himself out of the window though, and/or just make the catch.
 

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I haven't seen it since real time but my first thought was you have to throw that ball as soon as he clears the middle zone and lead him into the empty space... it was there wide open for a second. Book waited a bit too long... it's just one play though guys, these things happen.
 

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I was critical of that Book throw to Finke in real time, and watching it back right now I was certainly incorrect about it being "inaccurate." But I also think the "Finke needs to settle down in the zone" is only half correct.

Book throws it to the right spot, he's just late with it. He's moving to his right and takes about two extra steps he doesn't need to before releasing the ball. If he throws it earlier to that exact same spot -- really the only place he could put the ball safely -- it's an easy completion AND Finke keeps running. Finke does need to realize that he's running himself out of the window though, and/or just make the catch.

Yep...sometimes when we hear that the QB "threw behind" the receiver, it's because the receiver is about to run into coverage. Other times the QB is just flat out late with his throw.
 

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Here's the post-Wake Rakes report:

1) I am unsure how often in the history of college football an undefeated team ranked in the top ten has replaced their starting quarterback for reasons unrelated to health, but I can’t imagine it’s a regular occurrence. Brian Kelly gambled going into Saturday, benching Brandon Wimbush and his 12-3 record as a starter and bringing in Ian Book, who had done well in the fourth quarter of the Citrus Bowl but hadn’t received any significant playing time this season. After the game Kelly said he saw the same thing we had through three games: 3-0, yes, good, great, but that the potentially elite defense was not going to be able to hold up all season if the offense couldn’t get more efficient and hold up its end of the bargain. (The Irish offense was 66th in the S&P+ prior to Saturday and ranked a rancid 117th nationally in percent of drives that were three-and-outs.) Kelly looked at his defense, his two senior specialists and the bevy of four-star talents on offense and opted to see what a quarterback who was a more accurate passer but less explosive overall player could do. There was no guarantee it would work, on the road on a hot day against a team that was capable of putting up points.

2) But it did work, and the results of the switch though one game are extremely impressive. 56 points, over seven yards per play and ten different players with receptions, all engineered by Book (73.5% completion rate, 368 total yards and five total touchdowns). The Irish averaged six yards per carry and allowed one sack, the second straight good game for the offensive line after getting embarrassed by Ball State. The Irish were 7-for-7 in the red zone with all seven scores being touchdowns. We got to see Michael Young atone for his early fumble by turning on the jets on a screen, Alize Mack have another good game, Avery Davis back off the shelf and Kevin Austin start to get loose*. We saw Book run the zone read masterfully at the goal line. We saw Jafar Armstrong continue to improve as a tailback, dropping his shoulder and making some nice reads. Oh, and there was the early fourth and short deep in Wake territory when it was 7-6 and Kelly made the right choice in going for it, the college football gods rewarding the Irish with Brock Wright’s first career touchdown. We also saw Book — who had bad picks against the Tar Heels, Hurricanes and Bayou Bengals last season — not turn the ball over. It was an offense with swagger and a sense of urgency in their actions and on Saturday night they’re adding Dexter Williams to the stew.

* Austin only had two catches but one of them was a dandy along the left sideline. He also drew a pass interference on a deep route up the middle, had a third down grab wiped out by penalty and had another target where Phil Jurkovec was calling for pass interference. A reminder that Kevin Austin is 6’3” and was the 82nd ranked player in his class by the 247 Composite so once he gets comfortable it should be pretty fun.

Now, the Demon Deacons don’t have what you would refer to as “a good defense” — 76th in the S&P+ coming into this game, 91st coming out of it after they were immolated — but this is exactly what you should do against a squad of this caliber. In fact, the offense was so good against Wake that on Sunday afternoon they fired their defensive coordinator. These next two weeks are going to be tougher tests, but there isn’t an elite defense left on the schedule. (In the regular season, at least...) Kelly said after the game that he wasn’t ruling out playing either quarterback the rest of the way, although it would be quite surprising if Book did not get the start on Saturday after that masterful performance.

3) As well as Book played Saturday, I don’t think the offense could have had the success they did against Michigan without Wimbush. Kelly said this after the game and stepped on a paragraph I had mentally drafted in the second half but with the inexperience at the skill positions and the pass rushing abilities of Michigan it would have been really tough to put up points against them without Wimbush’s ability to improvise and move the chains with his legs. Michigan still has plenty of good offenses left on their schedule but after four games the list of quarterbacks to put up 21-point, turnover-free halves against them still has but a single name on it. That opening night win was so, so, so huge and wouldn’t have been remotely possible without Wimbush playing like he did.

That’s why it’s going to be really important for the coaching staff to keep Wimbush engaged because between the general danger of football and how these narratives generally go the Irish are going to need him before the season ends. Wimbush is a good dude and by every single report has a great relationship with Book but this is still going to be tough for him. (I agree with the announce crew from Saturday that not giving him garbage time snaps was the right decision, plus it allowed us to enjoy the brief Jurkovec cameo.) The hire of Tommy Rees as quarterback coach has been criticized in some parts but the one thing he knows extremely well is what it feels like to be on both sides of this dynamic, so hopefully that helps keep things going as smoothly as possible considering the circumstances. (Also, Book played pretty well for a guy on a team who I’m told by some has terrible quarterback coaching.)

4) The defense was excellent again, containing big plays from Wake Forest — Notre Dame’s longest run allowed this season now sits all the way up at 23 after the Deacons found a couple holes, but the longest pass allowed Saturday was a meager 18 yards — and battering poor Sam Hartman within an inch of his life. I usually turn my sympathy settings down to zero during Irish games but I was starting to feel bad for Hartman and found relief when they pulled him from the game. Notre Dame had ten tackles for loss including three sacks and another five quarterback hurries, which is kind of a misleading stat because you can only get one on each play and on a lot of snaps Hartman had death converging from all around. I don’t know if Drue Tranquill is rolling up the stats he’ll need to get into All-American races but he’s been transcendent all season, excelling at linebacker just as he did as the Irish rover last year. A lot of great performances (3.5 tackles for loss for Julian Okwara!) but shoutout to Ade Ogundeji, who had six total tackles including half a sack. There was some concern about depth at strongside end after Jay Hayes’ transfer and Ogundeji has been a more than capable backup for Khalid Kareem all season. And hey Troy Pride had another pick.

We talked about how these last few games Notre Dame was just a conversion here or stop there from having a comfortable fourth quarter versus what we experienced and Saturday was a great example of dropping the hammer. It was 28-13 at the half and Wake Forest got the ball to start the third quarter. If they roll down and score, it’s a one possession game and there’s pressure on the Irish (both team and fans). Instead after a 12-yard completion it went rush for no gain, rush for a loss and Okwara tracking Hartman down for a sack after Jerry Tillery flushed him out. The offense scored three minutes and 18 seconds of game time later and the contest was essentially over. Of Wake Forest’s three touchdown drives, one was in absolute garbage time, one was in quasi-garbage time and one required two third down penalties of questionable validity. Great performance on the road in boiling conditions.

5) After school special lesson: If you’re talking to or reading commentary from someone who is citing Total Defense as a stat in the Year of Our Lord 2018 please remove yourself from the conversation and call the local authorities. Wake Forest racked up nearly 400 yards of offense, 27 first downs and won time of possession because they ran 92 plays. Notre Dame allowed 4.3 yards per Wake Forest snap, which would have ranked third at the end of the 2017 season, behind only Alabama and Clemson. And in regards to time of possession, Wake Forest won that because the Irish had touchdown drives that took 10, 42, 67, 133 and 145 seconds. Do you want Notre Dame to score more slowly?! So, please pay attention to S&P+, FEI or yards per play and please just say no to total yardage and in a lot of cases time of possession and scoring defense.

6) After leaning on them heavily through the first three games, Tyler Newsome and Justin Yoon got to mostly relax on Saturday. Chris Finke had a nice little punt return, Jonathan Doerer had another good game on kickoffs and most importantly the Irish coverage units didn’t get burned by Greg Dortch, a guy who had already taken a few kicks to the house this season. Solid work from Brian Polian's special teams crew, who at no point sent the field goal unit onto the field without the kicker.

7) Winning Is Hard/Schadenfreude Round-Up: Where to even start? Let’s go to Norman, where the No. 5 Sooners with their deadly offense and Heisman candidate at quarterback needed overtime to defeat Army. If not for a pair of tackles for loss on the Black Knights’ final drive of regulation it’s very possible Oklahoma would have been on the losing end as four-touchdown favorites. If it’s late October and the Irish are in a tight one with Navy, a friendly reminder that playing the triple option is absolute torture. (Speaking of Navy, they lost in overtime to SMU. Pony up, Kenny N!)

No. 13 Virginia Tech lost at Old Dominion because they allowed the Monarch’s back-up quarterback to throw for 495 yards, giving up 632 yards of offense to Norfolk’s finest. (Quarterback Blake LaRussa’s previous career high? 161.) Prior to beating the Hokies Old Dominion’s season consisted of getting blown out by Liberty and losing close ones to Florida International and Charlotte. This is a friendly reminder that just because a team is playing poorly doesn’t mean it can’t put it together for a good game and shock somebody, not that this is a lesson Notre Dame fans might need to hold close for the back half of the schedule. A 2-0 start for Justin Fuente is now teetering with an injured quarterback, a defensive end booted from the team, a trip to frisky Duke and then a visit from a Notre Dame team that might just be pretty okay.

No. 14 Mississippi State lost, too, mustering just 7 points in Lexington as Big Blue advanced to 4-0. The problem with being Mississippi State and losing to Kentucky is you still have divisional games remaining against Alabama, Auburn and LSU so now you need to probably pull an upset just to get to 9-3. Good luck to Joe Moorhead in keeping the ship together because things can start to spiral. (Speaking of LSU, they were briefly in peril against Louisiana Tech on Saturday night when leading by just three in the fourth quarter, but they took care of business and put the game away.)

Oh hey and No. 15 Oklahoma State lost, too. Coming off a big win over Boise the Cowboys scored all of 17 points at home against Texas Tech, who had given up 47 to Ole Miss and 49 to Houston. No. 17 TCU lost in Austin. No. 18 Wisconsin needed a last-minute drive to survive in Iowa City, leaving the previously undefeated Hawkeyes heartbroken. No. 10 Penn State was losing to Illinois in the third quarter, which is very gross, no offense to the fine Illini fans who read this. No. 7 Stanford needed a series of miracles to survive against Oregon as the Ducks fumbled away a 24-7 fourth quarter lead in excruciating fashion. If Notre Dame had lost to Stanford the way Oregon did you wouldn’t be reading this because I would have walked into the ocean and let the salty depths deliver me from this nightmare realm.

Some other stuff: Boston College got to 3-0 and ranked for the first time in years but collapsed when the tiniest flicker of a spotlight hit them, losing 30-13 against Purdue, who was the best 0-3 team in the nation. Similar situation for Minnesota minus the getting ranked part, as they took a 3-0 record into College Park and got blown out by a Maryland team that got blown out by Temple last week. Southern Cal almost lost to Washington State/3-0 Washington State blew a lead to Southern Cal, depending on how you want to look at that. Ohio blew a 24-7 lead at Cincinnati. Pitt lost to 0-2 North Carolina and Pat Narduzzi’s seat is getting warm. Louisville got blown out by Virginia, 27-3, and Bobby Petrino’s seat is getting warm. (PLEASE KEEP BRIAN VANGORDER UNTIL WEEK ONE NEXT YEAR. PLEASE.) Nebraska got blown off the map by Michigan, is 0-3 for the first time since 1945 and if they don’t beat Purdue on Saturday in Lincoln they’re potentially looking at 0-8 (at Wisconsin, at Northwestern, Minnesota, at Ohio State before playing Illinois). This doesn’t mean Scott Frost can’t fix things there in the long run but it does serve as a reminder that coaches do not have magic wands.

One additional bigger picture thing before we move on: Rocky Top was No. 9 in the 2016 preseason AP poll and had all the hype in the world as Butch Jones distinguished himself as a master of the offseason. They started that year a sketchy 5-0 and finished 9-4, No. 22 in the country. That was the high point for the Jones Era, with 2017 an utter disaster as they went 0-for-the-SEC, firing Jones and bringing in Jeremy Pruitt. Maybe Pruitt will work and maybe he won’t but they’re going to start this year 2-6, as they dropped a home game to Florida Saturday in embarrassing fashion and now play Georgia, Auburn, Alabama and South Carolina in consecutive weeks. It is really, really easy to feel like you’re in a good place in this sport and then have the entire thing just fall apart underneath you, even if you’ve got the history, resources, boat tailgating, cool dog and incredible fight song of Tennessee. Winning is hard, building a program is hard and maintaining a program is hard.

8) Since the debacle of 2016 ended, the Irish are 14-3 overall. They are 5-3 against Top 25 teams*, 5-2 away from home, have a 35-point win over the Pac-12 champions, a New Year’s Day bowl win over a Top 25 SEC team and had their three losses come against division champions of Power 5 conferences, two on the road and one at home by a point. The old saying is “If you have two quarterbacks you don’t have any” but Notre Dame has two good quarterbacks who’ve won 82 percent of their collaborations thus far. It’s been a really impressive run of football after the nadir of 4-8.

* Counting Georgia, Sparty, USC, NC State, Miami, Stanford and LSU from last season as they finished in the Top 25 and Michigan from this season as they are currently in the Top 25. It would be a real shame if this accounting resulted in a massive jinx to the rest of the Wolverines season. Real shame.**

** And if you are wondering, “With the rest of the slate looking not so hot, should we maybe start rooting for Michigan for strength of schedule purposes?” No. Never. Please don’t even begin that journey.


It would be a shame to waste this 4-0 start by not taking care of business over the next two weekends. A split isn’t ideal but would still leave them in a very good place while a sweep of the Cardinal and Hokies puts Notre Dame in a position to maybe do something special. We know what’s coming Saturday night: There will be some impossibly stupid turnover, junk penalties, people saying “You know, Paulson Adebo was originally committed to Notre Dame,” jump balls to tall dudes and announcers talking about how cool it was David Shaw ran it up the middle on fourth and short and yeah Stanford didn’t convert but it’s about instilling a culture of toughness, you know?

This Cardinal team used up at least seven of their lives in Eugene on Saturday so the Irish should hopefully have to deliver at most two death blows to advance to 5-0, but it’s going to be a mix of trench warfare and a trip to the dentist because Shaw has Kelly’s number until proven otherwise. The win over Michigan is going to keep me warm all winter long but getting to 5-0 would make things positively toasty. My official recommendation is the Irish keep going as it would be quite silly to stop winning now.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some stats of interest from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a>-Wake Forest: Ian Book was 10 of 10 for 135 yards on balls caught behind the line of scrimmage. Those are throws that Wimbush had struggled with</p>— Jamie Uyeyama (@jamieuyeyama) <a href="https://twitter.com/jamieuyeyama/status/1044283622075785216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I haven't seen it since real time but my first thought was you have to throw that ball as soon as he clears the middle zone and lead him into the empty space... it was there wide open for a second. Book waited a bit too long... it's just one play though guys, these things happen.

Yea, certainly not the end of the world. It's that ying and yang that make for a productive passing game. A WR sitting down in a zone can bail out a late read from the QB. Just like a QB can throw open a WR or buy time in the pocket to give the WR longer to create separation.

Overall, I've just noticed it before and am curious if we continue to see it. I would actually expect a lot of teams to play man with Book at QB, with the expectation that we'll easily pick apart zone coverage going forward.
 

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I've noticed our WR's have been having troubles with this all season. They seem to just continue on the route, even at times taking themselves out of the play, running in back of the coverage, etc. I would think we (Alexander, Long, someone) would be doing a better job of helping them understand zone coverage and where those soft spots will be.

Side note, at this early juncture if I had to choose a position coach that is the weak link, it's got to be Alexander. It seems like we've seen improvement across the board with this team at it's various position groups. I just don't see it from the WR's.

IMO a lot of this goes back to playing with BW the first three games. BW hesitates on some throws, starts moving in the pocket, decides to throw when it's too late or scrambles. Hard to get into a rhythm and learn the soft spots when there's no consistency from the QB.
 
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