Who Will Replace Steve Sarkisian?

[irishnd31]

I hope they get Bob Diaco.

Man has the most beautiful hair. His hair makes me so tingly. L.A. could not handle that perfectly sculpted do.

 

[ND NYC]

soemnthing to think about:

in regards to a coach going to usc, can we all agree that this would and often is a "family decision" for most if not all coaches and you can be sure that if given the chance the wives of these coaches would and will have no problem heading to southern California from one of those small town,, football only type towns. (fishbowls)

 

[Emcee77]

Obviously it's personal preference, but you can still objectively evaluate desirability. Median price for a single family home in LA is like $550K. Median price for a single family home in Norman, Oklahoma is $150K. What do you call that other than "objectively more desirable"?

I call that meaningless in the context of any individual coach's decision about where to live. It doesn't account for the fact that many people who can make the same or similar amount of money anywhere would prefer to live somewhere more remote where there is less crowding and less traffic and a slower pace of life. For example, I know many doctors who have moved to rural areas for precisely that reason.

 

[tussin]

I would so hate to live in one of those million dollar boxes on the beach, no space, no yard, to me that is too overcrowded... that's where my area of Cali has it's perks, I'm within an ~hour of 'the beach' but also have an acre and a half of relatively (for Cali) cheap property in a niceish area... I'll take that over the sardine can. Just me.

With that said I would LOVE to get a lake front property outside of Austin or the like in Texas or Oklahoma... best of both worlds there...

Agreed. It's different strokes I guess... I've spent the last 5 years or so going to Cape May, NJ with my girlfriend and her family. It's a beach that is on a lot of "top ten" lists and is regarded as one of the more unique, uncrowded beach towns.

It just doesn't do it for me. It's still crazy crowded in the summer, the food is meh even at the priciest restaurants, and somehow I always leave with a cold. My idea of an ideal vacation is not sitting on a beach, baking in the sun with thousands of my closest strangers.

A mod should really split out these posts into a vacation topic. Should be a good resource for everybody come summertime.

 

[gkIrish]

I used to go there all the time (the wife family is from Narragansett RI) and then we discovered the beaches and coastal towns up in Maine...and have never looked back.

ps love my Midwestern brothers, and there is some nice spots on the "big lake" but, are you guys really comparing Lake Michigan beaches to those of Southern California??

is the italics icon not showing up on your IE screens?

Maine is right up there on best spots for me too. I vacationed a lot in the Kennebunkport area.

 

[Classic Irish]

Maine is right up there on best spots for me too. I vacationed a lot in the Kennebunkport area.

Absolutely love Maine. Beautiful part of the country.

Back on topic: so are we all still agreed that Tyrone Willingham is the natural choice to succeed Sark at southern cal?

 

[wizards8507]

Also, OCNJ is awesome? Come on dude.

The Ocean City boardwalk is iconic. Classic Americana. It's also consistently ranked the number one place to invest in vacation property.

 

[irishnd31]

Absolutely love Maine. Beautiful part of the country.

Back on topic: so are we all still agreed that Tyrone Willingham is the natural choice to succeed Sark at southern cal?

Great golf in Southern Cal. So yes.

Golf ON!!

 

[MNIrishman]

I'm sorry. Of the two of us, which has 1) lived in the Midwest for four years, 2) lived in Florida for three years, and 3) lived in New England for nineteen years? I've been at ESPN for about 17 months.

No, the Gulf of Mexico doesn't count. We were discussing weather at the time and Tallahassee gets zero cooling effect from the Gulf like they'd get on the ocean.

This is like attending UCSD and talking about how you know ANYTHING about the Pacific Northwest. The Midwest varies that much. And it's even worse, because as we all know, ND itself is a sort of bubble. So I'm not going to take your experience cruising 933 or Grape Road as anything relevant to experiencing the broader region. I've been to the East Coast over and over again throughout my life. My family used to vacation in the OBX, I've gone hiking in upstate NY, Mt. Katahdin, and Mt. Washington. I've been to Boston twice and Cape Cod/Martha's Vineyard three times. I've been to Florida at least five times and NYC at least five times (I've got family in South Orange). I also spent a summer at an Ivy League school doing research. So no, I'm not disparaging the coast. I get that it is great and has lots of great stuff in it, and honestly wouldn't mind living in NH, western MA, or VT (if you count that). But when ignorant coasters who've never been to Mackinac or Duluth act like the Midwest has no true seaside towns and that it's all boring bland chain restaurant flyover country, it's really frustrating. Because that attitude tells me you have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever.

And Tallahassee may not get so much in the way of breezes, but you said "inland" and then changed the rules so that the Gulf doesn't count, for some reason. The Gulf is part of the Atlantic ocean and so my point stands.

Anyway, regarding how all of this applies to coaching searches, Midwestern schools know about the assets of this region and use them to sell their programs to prospects all the time. Even outside of football, it's how the University of Minnesota regularly pulls people from Stanford and UCSB all the time for their physics and chemical engineering programs. Want a world class city? Both LA and Minneapolis have that covered. Want to have a mansion on a lake? Minneapolis. Want mountains? California. Want clean air? Minneapolis. Want to be able to water your lawn? Minneapolis. Want easy commutes? Minneapolis. Want great weather year round? LA. There's a freaking reason 20% of the people in the US live here, and not everyone is going to go running out the door just because LA comes calling. It can mean a serious drop in quality of life if that commute time is the difference between being able to get home to put your kids to bed every night and just not seeing them for broad stretches at a time.

Earlier, I compared this to someone turning down an investment banking position in NYC. NYC has everything a person could ever want to do! And with a giant banking salary, you could afford to do it! But if you're working constantly, none if it means anything. If you want a quiet, large, and comfortable home to be your sanctuary and not a small house or apartment, it can make a big difference. If you want your children to have room to play and a back yard for the dog, it can make a big difference. Further, uprooting your family for such a different region may not be an attractive proposition. For these reasons, among others, I think USC won't necessarily get their first choice of head coach.

I apologize if it feels like I'm just shitting on LA. We're discussing potential prospects leaving midwestern/southern positions for LA, so it makes sense to take a look at what a Midwesterner (I've been to LA, though haven't lived there) might think of that prospect. I get that some people really love it. ACamp, it sounds like you've got a great thing going on. But others could feel just as negatively about that as a SoCal guy might feel about winter in South Bend. I do believe that that is relevant to a USC job discussion.

 

[ACamp1900]

ACamp, it sounds like you've got a great thing going on. But others could feel just as negatively about that as a SoCal guy might feel about winter in South Bend. I do believe that that is relevant to a USC job discussion.

Thanks? I mean I haven't really disagreed with much of anything here with the exception of the seemingly over the top negative stances on LA,... I for one wouldn't mind leaving so cal at all for a variety of reasons, but the knocks on the neighborhoods, beaches and the like as though they're pure shit is the only thing that gets me...

 

[GrangerIrish24]

So Steve Sarkisian was let go and USC will be looking for new coach. Anyone? Ill just see myself out.

 

[stlnd01]

Earlier, I compared this to someone turning down an investment banking position in NYC. NYC has everything a person could ever want to do! And with a giant banking salary, you could afford to do it! But if you're working constantly, none if it means anything. If you want a quiet, large, and comfortable home to be your sanctuary and not a small house or apartment, it can make a big difference. If you want your children to have room to play and a back yard for the dog, it can make a big difference. Further, uprooting your family for such a different region may not be an attractive proposition. For these reasons, among others, I think USC won't necessarily get their first choice of head coach.
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These are all excellent points. For regular people.
Myself I left a comfortable job in an affordable Midwestern city for a big-time gig in LA, then left LA for a lateral - at best - job in a city where my wife and I decided it made more sense to put down roots. But we're regular people, with two little kids and two middle-class careers who need to sweat a mortgage and school and commutes and all that.
Big-time college football coaches are not regular people. They're professional nomads, to start with. Also workaholics, for the most part. And insulated by their job and its perks from the hassles of daily life in a place like LA (which is wonderful, but also a pain in the ass).
The best ones are also incredibly ambitious and competitive. They have to be. And USC is the top of the heap and will offer their chosen candidate all the opportunity for greatness a man could desire, along with the resources to achieve that greatness. I'd think a lot of coaches - not all, but a lot - will find that very attractive. No matter where the job is located.

 

[connor_in]

So Steve Sarkisian was let go and USC will be looking for new coach. Anyone? Ill just see myself out.

Dude...I Tried

SIAP

Odds released on who will be USC's next coach


The front-runner for the position on Tuesday morning is Utah coach Kyle Whittingham with odds of 3.5/1. Current Philadelphia Eagles coach and former Oregon coach Chip Kelly and Boise State head coach Bryan Harsin are second with odds of 6/1 to be the new USC head man.

Here are the complete odds, according to Las Vegas sports book Bovada.

Odds to be USC's next football coach

Kyle Whittingham, Utah - 3.5/1
Chip Kelly, Philadelphia Eagles - 6/1
Bryan Harsin, Boise State - 6/1
Tom Herman, Houston - 7/1
Justin Fuente, Memphis - 7/1
Clay Helton, USC interim coach - 8/1
Jack Del Rio, Oakland Raiders - 8/1
Chris Petersen, Washington - 9/1
Brian Kelly, Notre Dame - 9/1
Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M - 11/1
Gary Patterson, TCU - 11/1
Mark Dantonio, Michigan State - 15/1

 

[Irish#1]

You can't compare prices of homes to get the quality of life. I have a brick 2,900 sq.ft. 5 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath, 4 car garage home on an acre of land on the SE side of Indy. Selling price is around $250K. A comparable home in Carmel, IN. with a 1/2 acre lot sells for about $450K. That home may be worth more, but I guarantee you they paid a lot more to have it built and their house payment is a lot higher.

For every Midwest positive, there's a Midwest negative. For every LA/SC positive, there's a LA/SC negative. For every New England area positive, there's a New England area negative.

It's all good. Now let's quit "beaching" and get back to the coaching vacancy.

 

[ACamp1900]

For every Midwest positive, there's a Midwest negative. For every LA/SC positive, there's a LA/SC negative. For every New England area positive,... well, New England has no positives.

FIFY

 

[ACamp1900]

You want to know why So Cal is a preferred destination for so many???

(Thread officially derailed in three, two,...)

 

[irishnd31]

You want to know why So Cal is a preferred destination for so many???

(Thread officially derailed in three, two,...)

 

[PANDFAN]

Brian Kelly addressed the fact that he was on multiple lists for the USC job on Jay Mohr's talkshow on Fox this a.m. by repeating that that's "just a lot of noise" and that Notre Dame is the "greatest head coaching job in college football."

 

[MNIrishman]

Brian Kelly addressed the fact that he was on multiple lists for the USC job on Jay Mohr's talkshow on Fox this a.m. by repeating that that's "just a lot of noise" and that Notre Dame is the "greatest head coaching job in college football."

BK to NFL confirmed

 

[PANDFAN]

BK to NFL confirmed

i took notice of that as well...nicely worded so they can't come back and say you lied....

 

[NDBoiler]

i took notice of that as well...nicely worded so they can't come back and say you lied....

IIRC, I think he said basically the same thing around the time of the flirtation with the Eagles as well.

 

[irishfan]

I've never really bought into the idea that BK is looking to move on from ND. Besides his flirtation with the Eagles (which was bad of course), he hasn't done anything that has ever made me think he is looking to get out. He seems so involved in recruiting and player development that I just don't see the notion that he has one foot out the door. I think he's going to stay here for roughly 5-8 more seasons and then retire.

Personally, I think he'd be a bad NFL coach and would dislike coaching there. He's much more of a teacher and a motivator than he is an Xs and Os guy.

He turns 54 later this month. He knows it will take him a couple of seasons to get everyone to buy into his program, it doesn't make sense for him to go somewhere and start over. Even for a job like USC, I think BK realistically would think that he has a better chance of winning a Natty here than he would in his first couple of years there.

 

[wizards8507]

I've never really bought into the idea that BK is looking to move on from ND. Besides his flirtation with the Eagles (which was bad of course), he hasn't done anything that has ever made me think he is looking to get out. He seems so involved in recruiting and player development that I just don't see the notion that he has one foot out the door. I think he's going to stay here for roughly 5-8 more seasons and then retire.

Personally, I think he'd be a bad NFL coach and would dislike coaching there. He's much more of a teacher and a motivator than he is an Xs and Os guy.

He turns 54 later this month. He knows it will take him a couple of seasons to get everyone to buy into his program, it doesn't make sense for him to go somewhere and start over. Even for a job like USC, I think BK realistically would think that he has a better chance of winning a Natty here than he would in his first couple of years there.

I agree with you when it comes to other college teams, but I think he's gone for the first NFL offer that comes his way. I don't think he declined the Eagles, I think the Eagles got their number one guy with Chip and BK was never offered.

 

[Cali_domer]

I agree with you when it comes to other college teams, but I think he's gone for the first NFL offer that comes his way. I don't think he declined the Eagles, I think the Eagles got their number one guy with Chip and BK was never offered.

Totally agree, I think if Tampa Bay or Raiders(Jacksonville) come a calling BK will be gone.

 

[BobbyMac]

Indiana Dunes National Park: Blegh

First of all... I live in Laguna Beach and am from Michigan City, IN. Is Laguna better? Overall, of course. But if you are going to the beach on a sunny day from July 4th through Labor Day and are planning on GETTING IN THE WATER... NO beach in America is better than the stretch of shoreline between MC and St. Joe, MI. That is the only water on Lake Michigan where the temps are above 70 degrees, the water is clean. Sleeping Bear, Silver Lake in Michigan and Door Co in Wisconsin although beautiful are always cold. It's just not enjoyable. SoCal water is cold, salty, full of seaweed and other things that look at you as a menu item. I enjoy the beach here but it's more about chilling BY the water, not in it.

I get a kick out of Wiz posting the ONE Google image that comes up that shows the far westside of the IDNL that is next to Bethlehem Steel. Head back up the coast east for 13 miles and this is what you find:

and if that is too ugly, boring or ???... jump on the South Shore train and you're here in an hour... another typical, generic, non-coastal midwest town.

 

[irishfan]

I agree with you when it comes to other college teams, but I think he's gone for the first NFL offer that comes his way. I don't think he declined the Eagles, I think the Eagles got their number one guy with Chip and BK was never offered.

Totally agree, I think if Tampa Bay or Raiders(Jacksonville) come a calling BK will be gone.

Out of curiosity, do either of you guys think he would be successful in the NFL?

 

[Cali_domer]

Out of curiosity, do either of you guys think he would be successful in the NFL?

No

 

[Cackalacky]

ACamp, it sounds like you've got a great thing going on. But others could feel just as negatively about that as a SoCal guy might feel about winter in South Bend. I do believe that that is relevant to a USC job discussion.

Thanks? I mean I haven't really disagreed with much of anything here with the exception of the seemingly over the top negative stances on LA,... I for one wouldn't mind leaving so cal at all for a variety of reasons, but the knocks on the neighborhoods, beaches and the like as though they're pure shit is the only thing that gets me...

Only real assholes quote themselves and respond to it.

 

[ACamp1900]

Only real assholes quote themselves and respond to it.

lol... whaoh... how did that happen? I was quoting MN...









though I'd be lying if I said I've never intentionally quoted myself before....

 

[irishfan]

No

I agree. I think he'd struggle big time. He's talked about how he would disike not being the GM as well. Maybe that's just talk, but I can't see why someone who has been a HC for 26 years would want to have 0 control over who is on his team. One of the main reasons Spurrier left was because they wouldn't even let him choose his Backup QB for the Redskins.