USC & UCLA to the Big Ten

[Rack Em]

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I hate the BIG, I hate Nike, I don’t even know what our division will look like and I already hate it’s guts,

Is this you ACamp?

 

[IrishLax]

So one of the twitter accounts that correctly called the USC (and I think UCLA part too) to the Big Ten and claims sources is saying Phil Knight might pay ND's exit fee/grant of rights in exchange for getting Oregon into the Big Ten with us.

If this actually ends up being true, it’d be epic. It sounds completely fake on the surface.

 

[stlnd01]

Washington, Oregon, North Carolina, Boston College, Miami… those are the kinds of teams that might bring value to the Big Ten in further expansion because of media markets.

Stanford does literally nothing for the Big Ten except add some academic prestige.

I tend to agree that they eventually end as a true “super conference” sports conglomerate that is nationwide… likely at 20ish teams… but I’m not sure that happens in the near term here. I think that’s more long term expansion. I would expect them to look to add 1-2 teams (including Notre Dame) before this upcoming media rights negotiation if and only if they will drive up the $$ number. ND will clearly do that.

Even if only for non-football scheduling purposes, you probably need four (or more) west coast teams for this conference to make sense. Otherwise USC and UCLA are on too much of an island out there. There are football and TV benefits too. Agree that Oregon and Washington are 1 and 2 - and probably they come together.

But beyond them I don't know there's a Pac-12 team that does more for the Big Ten than Stanford. Quality football (compared to most of the rest of the candidates). Academic prestige. Excellent at many other sports. An affluent and relatively national alumni base. Helps attract Notre Dame (and gives Northwestern another peer, if that matters).

That's more than you get with Utah or Arizona State or Colorado. Probably only Cal is comparable and, like Oregon and Washington, it's quite possible they're a package deal.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Do media markets even matter or is it just strength of brands? Outside of ND, I think Miami and Washington are the schools that bring the most value to B1G from a viewership perspective.

What about Duke basketball? Are all CBB programs a non-factor?

CBB is a non-factor in broadcast rights. The NCAA owns those rights and money is distributed more evenly than in CFB.

 

[Blazers46]

Personally, I hate the Big Ten and think it’s a joke conference with OSU being the consistent exception (MSU, Wisconsin at times). I’m okay with scheduling a team periodically, but there has to be a better move for ND. The vibe seems like this is a real possibility for ND though. USC and UCLA look desperate selling themselves to be fish out of water, but I get it. The Pac12 was an even worse conference, and more money is more money.

Football sure... but they do not dominate every sport.

 

[ACamp1900]

Is this you ACamp?

Yes. Now go put some water in your momma’s dish you broke ass Ice T, livin in a cave in Afghanistan lookin motha fucka

 

[phillyirish]

At this point, the BIG 10 should just try to steal Texas and Oklahoma before they even join the SEC. I see those two schools preferring the BIG10 anyway. No other Southern schools really makes sense. Grabbing Tex Tech or TCU would just to have a presence in Texas would be akin to the SEC grabbing SDSU just to have a presence in SoCal.

 

[B1G20]

So one of the twitter accounts that correctly called the USC (and I think UCLA part too) to the Big Ten and claims sources is saying Phil Knight might pay ND's exit fee/grant of rights in exchange for getting Oregon into the Big Ten with us.

Which account?

 

[ACamp1900]

this is the worst shit since the Halos signed Josh Hamilton,…

 

[Dale]

Stanford definitely has pros. We can’t say it’s all about money and then work within frameworks like being a AAU school. At some point adding School A versus School B is negligible to a billion dollar TV deal negotiation and other forces will make the difference. Otherwise heck start kicking out schools too. Kick out Purdue if it’s only money. Another thing is someone also has to take the Ls. In the end, a super conference will include schools that aren’t there for the sole purpose of a TV deal presentation.

 

[BobbyMac]

Outside of the PAC and the ACC I figure they would also want a Texas school though which one is harder to say.

I'll bet my life UT ends up in the Super B1Gger Alliance when it all shakes out.

I'll bet my reincarnated life that one of UT or A&M ends up in it.

 

[317Irish]

I'll bet my life UT ends up in the Super B1Gger Alliance when it all shakes out.

I'll bet my reincarnated life that one of UT or A&M ends up in it.

Preemptively doubling down… let’s see how this plays out

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I don’t feel quite so strongly as Crus but I would bet a lot of money that UT would prefer the B1G over the SEC

 

[Huntr]

Tom Fornelli reads my posts

 

[Wild Bill]

Anyone else getting a Google ad in the thread for the PAC 12 with UCLA in the background? Perfect.

 

[ColinKSU]

Are cinci not? They must be on the up in that area.

Cincinnati is in Southern Ohio. I’m more saying that they’re still playing in Ohio State’s state and that’s how it’s always going to be for the Bearcats.

 

[Dale]

I don’t feel quite so strongly as Crus but I would bet a lot of money that UT would prefer the B1G over the SEC

Texas would have been in the Pac 10 by the 90s had the Pac 10 had the assassin like mentality and network backing that Fox and ESPN are giving the SEC and Big Ten now. No doubt many on the university side would prefer alignment with parts of the B1G or previously Pac 10.

 

[BobbyMac]

Preemptively doubling down… let’s see how this plays out

Absolutely.

The schools that could be in the B1G, want to be in the B1G and it's not close. Go look at the research $$$ awarded to a B1G/PAC school vs the what the SEC gets. The colab's that come with being in the B1G are astronomical.

It might take a bit but this will happen. The only thing that could stop it is if the schools in play say scrap it and leave the NCAA before the B1G wipes the SEC out.

I'll go as far to say that if the B1G vs SEC arms race goes on long enough while associated with the NCAA, Florida will be on the B1G side in the end.

 

[BobbyMac]

I don’t feel quite so strongly as Crus but I would bet a lot of money that UT would prefer the B1G over the SEC

I bet UT's prez sent the OU prez a snap that said, "I f***ing hate you"

 

[BobbyMac]

Cincinnati is in Southern Ohio. I’m more saying that they’re still playing in Ohio State’s state and that’s how it’s always going to be for the Bearcats.

Chili Tech and the Ville to the SuperEC by '25

Actually at this rate, it may be 25 days.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Chili Tech and the Ville to the SuperEC by '25

Actually at this rate, it may be 25 days.

That ACC poison pill is pretty spicy. The B1G and SEC may have to take extra teams just to create a majority who want to dissolve the conference.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Actually maybe 8 teams getting picked up by B1G/SEC is pretty realistic.

BC
Clemson
FSU
Louisville
NC State
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
UNC
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech

 

[BobbyMac]

That ACC poison pill is pretty spicy. The B1G and SEC may have to take extra teams just to create a majority who want to dissolve the conference.

I feel sorry for BC, Cuse and Wake. They're in deep sheet.

 

[BobbyMac]

Actually maybe 8 teams getting picked up by B1G/SEC is pretty realistic.

BC
Clemson
FSU
Louisville
NC State
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
UNC
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech

SEC
Clemson
FSU
Ville
NC State
Miami
Va Tech

B1G or SEC
Pitt
Duke

B1G
UVa
UNC
GT

In big trouble
BC
Cuse
Wake

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I wonder what the ACC could do to trigger a fresh media rights agreement. Perhaps adding schools will allow them to renegotiate something good enough to keep everyone happy. The conference strikes me as a lot more cohesive than either the Pac 12 or the Big 12 were. I figure West Virginia would be an easy pull, for starters.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Just a thought, what if teams want out, for whatever reason? Say Ohio St doesn’t like the direction of the BIG and decides to join the SEC? Would those in favor of ND to the BIG still be in favor?

 

[BobbyMac]

I wonder what the ACC could do to trigger a fresh media rights agreement. Perhaps adding schools will allow them to renegotiate something good enough to keep everyone happy. The conference strikes me as a lot more cohesive than either the Pac 12 or the Big 12 were. I figure West Virginia would be an easy pull, for starters.

Isn't West Virginia's in the Big 12 because the ACC passed on academics?

And then they turn around and let the Ville in.

I'm sure they'd amend that pretty quick.

Cincy's in the ACC overnight too with the first defection (if a total reset doesn't happen first and they end up in the SEC)

Gotta watch for Temple too, they bring more tv's than WV.

 

[BobbyMac]

Just a thought, what if teams want out, for whatever reason? Say Ohio St doesn’t like the direction of the BIG and decides to join the SEC? Would those in favor of ND to the BIG still be in favor?

There's more money and less elite comp in the B1G. I can't see that happening.

I think if the Bucks left the B1G, ND could ask for $1B up front and the B1G's would have to pony up.

 

[WilliamWallace]

There's more money and less elite comp in the B1G. I can't see that happening.

I think if the Bucks left the B1G, ND could ask for $1B up front and the B1G's would have to pony up.

Absolutely, but I don’t see the SEC being out done on the money front, they’ll find a way to take the lead for the sake of doing so. If the only proven team to compete and win at the highest level (disregarding Michigans lone appearance last year) decided they no longer wanted to be there, and money wasn’t an option does that change ND’s stance? Assuming they’re working out the details to join.

Seems to me that the Big 10 currently is only slightly ahead of the ACC in terms of competition. Sure with the addition of USC, and I guess UCLA, with the possibility of ND it changes quite a bit.

 

[WilliamWallace]

I guess when looking at it from the competition side it’s still attractive for sure. I guess deep down I don’t like the move. Maybe I’m just fishing???