USC & UCLA to the Big Ten

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

USC is going to get their shit kicked in if they don't improve their offensive line. There are 3-4 schools that'll play bully ball with them.

 

[NDdomer2]

Lol bill Walton losing his shit somewhere

 

[IHateMarkMay]

USC is going to get their shit kicked in if they don't improve their offensive line. There are 3-4 schools that'll play bully ball with them.

This. Remember Stanford when they just ran it down SCs throats? Now picture Wisconsin doing it in the snow.

 

[IrishLax]

USC better pray that the Big Ten goes up to 20 schools and they get to play in a west division without cold weather. They have a decades long history of being scared shitless about playing @ND late in the season.

 

[Old Man Mike]

 

[stlnd01]

What's interesting about these latest moves (this and the Texas/OU thing) is that it's the conference's marquee schools leaving the others behind (I know Washington and Oregon are in some ways more marquee than UCLA but b/c of location UCLA is a big deal and sleeping giant). Not like the last wave where they tacked on middleweights to grow their numbers or add key TV markets. This is USC saying "see ya later" to a conference of which it is a defining member. Wild.

It accentuates the power of the biggest brands in the sport, and I think accelerates the trend toward one or two super power conferences. Of which, yeah, it makes a lot of sense for Notre Dame to eventually be a part.

 

[Reaper97]

They will throw a ridiculous amount of money at ND & promise them the chance to play USC every year as the protected rival along with traditional rivals MSU, UM & Purdue. And then ND would only have to schedule Navy in the OOC.

 

[du Lac]

USC is going to get their shit kicked in if they don't improve their offensive line. There are 3-4 schools that'll play bully ball with them.

No doubt. Wisc, Iowa, PSU, and obviously Michigan and Ohio State will hurt them badly in the trenches. These are not your typical Big10 style of play teams amd while the Big10 isn’t the SEC, the gauntlet of week after week solid tough and hard nosed teams is not what Riley is used to in the Big12 and certainly not PAC12. November is a bitch in the Big10, especially for southern Cal.

I wonder how this will impact our recruiting.

 

[House16]

So ND is locked into the ACC deal until 2036, but is this the same thing for all the other members? Or is there a world where Clemson, FSU, and Miami join the SEC and ND is still stuck playing the rest of the ACC 5 games a year for the next decade and a half?

 

[greyhammer90]

Killing the golden goose.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So ND is locked into the ACC deal until 2036, but is this the same thing for all the other members? Or is there a world where Clemson, FSU, and Miami join the SEC and ND is still stuck playing the rest of the ACC 5 games a year for the next decade and a half?

I believe it's the same for all members.

 

[IrishLax]

So ND is locked into the ACC deal until 2036, but is this the same thing for all the other members? Or is there a world where Clemson, FSU, and Miami join the SEC and ND is still stuck playing the rest of the ACC 5 games a year for the next decade and a half?

ND isn't locked into anything I think. I believe we basically have an out clause that we can exercise whenever tf we want. Could be wrong.

 

[greyhammer90]

So ND is locked into the ACC deal until 2036, but is this the same thing for all the other members? Or is there a world where Clemson, FSU, and Miami join the SEC and ND is still stuck playing the rest of the ACC 5 games a year for the next decade and a half?

If all these schools are finding it easy to walk away from conferences that they're fully in, why would it be harder for ND to walk away from a conference it's only partially in?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Straight Line Distances

Longest Distance between 2 current Big Ten schools
Piscataway, NJ to Lincoln, NE = 1,163 miles

Closest School for UCLA and USC outside of LA
Los Angeles, CA to Lincoln, NE = 1,267 miles

LMAO

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Because the ACC has a very long grant of rights that all teams signed. It basically gives the conference every team's media rights through 2036. So a team could theoretically leave the ACC, but they would be stuck paying all of their TV revenue from their new conference to the ACC through 2036.

Other conferences might have had something similar tied to their TV deals, but realignment usually happened partly because TV deals were ending, so schools basically just had to figure out how to negotiate a slightly early exit. The ACC deal makes it a lot more than "slightly" early.

 

[IrishLax]

Because the ACC has a very long grant of rights that all teams signed. It basically gives the conference every team's media rights through 2036. So a team could theoretically leave the ACC, but they would be stuck paying all of their TV revenue from their new conference to the ACC through 2036.

Other conferences might have had something similar tied to their TV deals, but realignment usually happened partly because TV deals were ending, so schools basically just had to figure out how to negotiate a slightly early exit. The ACC deal makes it a lot more than "slightly" early.

Right, but isn't ND's "grant of rights" non-inclusive of football and amounts to peanuts? I'm fairly certain that ND has a different deal than all of the full members.

 

[IRISHMAN]

usc and ucla to the big10 imo would probably kill any chance of scott frost turning around NU.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

There is no reason to consider leaving at this point. Teams are jumping all around, ND doesn't need to be proactive in this reshuffling. Every conference would love to add ND so they'll have their pick if they decide to make the jump. I don't think that's arrogance, it's reality. ND is a cash cow in terms of viewership/love/hatred.

 

[Old Man Mike]

 

[greyhammer90]

There is no reason to consider leaving at this point. Teams are jumping all around, ND doesn't need to be proactive in this reshuffling. Every conference would love to add ND so they'll have their pick if they decide to make the jump. I don't think that's arrogance, it's reality. ND is a cash cow in terms of viewership/love/hatred.

Sort of. You definitely dont want to be the last team after the National Championship already runs through those super conferences. By then it's almost certainly switched to where you need them more than they need you.

 

[du Lac]

Sort of. You definitely dont want to be the last team after the National Championship already runs through those super conferences. By then it's almost certainly switched to where you need them more than they need you.

As long as we have top 5 classes, no need for alarm. The minute it impacts recruiting, you reevaluate this. I’d think this simply means the major conferences cannibalize one another while ND plays their own hand. Not having a conference championship hurts in a way, but I don’t see how this changes that in retrospect.

 

[Blazers46]

When Michigan & USC face each other who do we root for....

No clue but they would both claim to be each others biggest rival just to piss me off.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Well looks like everyone will be recruiting nationally, the transfer portal will become busier than ever, many late season games will become nonevents

 

[Blazers46]

When the dust settles.... in 2052....

 

[irishfan]

As long as we have top 5 classes, no need for alarm. The minute it impacts recruiting, you reevaluate this. I’d think this simply means the major conferences cannibalize one another while ND plays their own hand. Not having a conference championship hurts in a way, but I don’t see how this changes that in retrospect.

It depends on what happens to the playoff structure. I don’t see why the new B1G and SEC will want to be part of a playoff that gives bids to any other conferences. Especially if there is more carnage to come (Clemson, FSU, Miami, Oregon, etc). If the ACC loses those big schools, it’s over for us as an Independent and the current playoff structure will be drastically changed. I’ll be shocked if we’re not in the B1G within 5 years.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I wonder if USC will still be ble to play ND.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Future play-offs: Top rated eight teams. How not and soon?

 

[stlnd01]

I wonder if USC will still be ble to play ND.

B1G schools still get three nonconference games right? But they do tend to play most of them in September. (though we played Northwestern in November a couple years ago, and the last Michigan game was mid-season). USC could probably cut a deal to keep the UCLA game the weekend before Thanksgiving and then us Thanksgiving weekend half the time. Would also reduce their exposure to late November in the Midwest.

 

[NDohio]

It depends on what happens to the playoff structure. I don’t see why the new B1G and SEC will want to be part of a playoff that gives bids to any other conferences. Especially if there is more carnage to come (Clemson, FSU, Miami, Oregon, etc). If the ACC loses those big schools, it’s over for us as an Independent and the current playoff structure will be drastically changed. I’ll be shocked if we’re not in the B1G within 5 years.

Correct. What would stop the Big Ten and SEC to hold their own end of year tournaments and then the two winners play for a "National Championship"?

 

[ACamp1900]

When Michigan & USC face each other who do we root for....

I’ll do what I do in the tOSU scum game,… root for whoever has the worst record