USC recruiting and everything else

[DONTH8]

USC's acceptance rate is lower than Notre Dame's.

USC = 13%
Notre Dame = 18%

there are lies, there are damned lies, and there are statistics....

 

[Irish#1]

USC's acceptance rate is lower than Notre Dame's.

USC = 13%
Notre Dame = 18%

Back in 92, my daughter applied to ND, USC and Vanderbilt. ND turned her down. USC and Vandy accepted her.

Doesn't surprise me IMG is involved. Everyone knows you don't go to IMG for any "book lernin". Wouldn't be surprised if this impacts their ability to get kids to enroll.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Back in 92, my daughter applied to ND, USC and Vanderbilt. ND turned her down. USC and Vandy accepted her.

Not saying the admission stats of admitted students are higher for USC, because they are not. But USC is an extremely popular school to apply to, especially if you live in California

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Wow.... if you're dropping that kind of money, why are you sending them to USC?



https://www.10news.com/news/nationa...suspects-in-alleged-college-admissions-scheme

So she can party and go to game days.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lori-loughlin-daughter-admitted-she-170345326.html

She also literally had to have someone else fill out her application because she couldn't figure it out.

There was also a senior official in the athletic department who is charged for USC. And there was involvement by the football team because they got a guy in saying he was a long snapper. It looks like that kids parents also wanted to see about ND and Vandy but were told that wasn't possible, so it looks like we are clear in this.

At or about the same time that PALATELLA made arrangements with CW-1 to facilitate cheating on her son’s college entrance exams, she also inquired about the college recruitement scheme. In an e-mail exchange on or about March 13, 2016, PALATELLA asked CW-1 for advice on how to “position” her son for his college applications. In response, CW-1 asked, “Are you willing to make a contribution of several hundred thousand as a donation to get him in as a participant in someone’s program.” PALATELLA replied: “Money, for the right environment, Yes. But he can never know.”

341. On or about the following day, CW-1 provided PALATELLA with a price list, which he described as “the number it would take to get admitted even with the fudging of the scores.” For USC, he advised that there was a 75 percent chance of getting her son admitted with a “largebut not significant”donation.PALATELLA asked for “the approximate number it would take to get in there,” and added, “[w]hen we spoke $300-400 was one level, and the second level was $750-1m. Can you clarify?” CW-1 answered:“Georgetown BC may be over1m others as stated.”

342. In an e-mail exchange on or about October 3, 2016, PALATELLA asked CW-1 whether certain schools would be “realistic” for her son assuming he “had a B average, and SAT scores that you can guess at (I’m assuming fairly accurately) . . . if we were also ‘generous?’”

CW-1 replied:
Several of the school’s besides being very difficult to get in are a grind and there are no easy classes. . . . No matter the board member you know the grades and very good/solid scores will not get him in unless you anti [sic] in the many millions. The only way in is through athletics due to the leeway given athletes.

PALATELLA responded that her son was not a realistic football recruit, noting:
You know that [myson] took a year off football this year and says he just needed a break and will play next year. So given that, and they he’s [sic] not the team’s star but a good solid player, would he really still have an athletic edge? [Myson] is a natural but he’s gotten the message that he is not big enough for college football. I think that’s one of the reasons he dropped out. . . . How would he have an athletic edge at a bigger named school given the other players are huge?

CW-1 answered:
He needs to get in through Football so my relationship at that levels gives [him] a shot since that is the sport with the lowest grades. Notre Dame and Vandy lowest football players are 3.4 and have to be big time players. Cannot hide him there.

PALATELLA responded,
“Ok. Got it,” and asked if her son should “go back now this season or can he go back as a senior??”

CW-1 replied:
“I got it covered no worries on the story for [your son].”

PALATELLA responded with four heart emojis.

343. On or about July 27, 2017, approximately four months after engaging in the SAT cheating scheme, PALATELLA e-mailed CW-1 a photo of her son in his football uniform and asked, “Will this work?” CW-1 forwarded the photo to Janke, together with PALATELLA’s son’s grades and test scores, which included the fraudulently obtained SAT score. Janke created a football profile for PALATELLA’s son that falsely described him, among other things, as an active player on his high school football team as a member of the “defensive line” and a “long snapper” and as a member of several local and statewide championship teams between 2015 and 2017.

344. Heinel presented PALATELLA’s son to the USC subcommittee for athletic admissions as a purported football recruit on or about November 16, 2017, falsely describing him as along snapper.

345. On or about November 30, 2017, Heinel e-mailed CW-1 a conditional acceptance letter for PALATELLA’s son. The letter stated that he had the “potential to make a significant contribution to the intercollegiate athletic program as well as to the academic life of the university.” CW-1 forwarded the letter to PALATELLA.

346. On or about the next day PALATELLA mailed Heinel a $100,000 check, payable to the USC Women’s AthleticBoard, with a note that said, “Our son ... is beyond thrilled at the prospect of attending USC as a freshman this fall.”

347. USC mailed PALATELLA’s son his formal acceptance letteron or about March 22, 2018. Six days later, CW-1 instructed a KWF employee to send PALATELLA an invoice in the amount of $400,000. PALATELLA wired the money to KWF on or about April 1, 2018.

Starting at page 138 for those interested: https://www.justice.gov/file/1142876/download

 

[Wild Bill]

Aunt Becky though..... that still blows my mind.

She better hope the prosecutors have mercy on her.

 

[Irish#1]

She better hope the prosecutors have mercy on her.

Uncle Jessie can protect her.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Besides the schools already out there, it looks like BC and Harvard might also be involved:

288. As set forth below, WILSON conspired to bribe Jovan Vavic, the USC water polo coach, to designate his son as a purported recruit to the USC men’s water polo team, thereby facilitating his admission to USC. WILSON also sought to use bribes to obtain the admission of his two daughters to Stanford University and Harvard University as recruited athletes.

289. CW-1 has advised law enforcement agents that he first began working with WILSON in or about 2012, and that WILSON agreed to make a purported contribution to KWF to facilitate a bribe to Vavic to designate WILSON’s son as a purported water polo recruit.

290. On or about February 10, 2013, WILSON e-mailed CW-1 and asked for the “deadline to decide on side door for USC or BC or Georgetown etc. this year” and to “confirm for which schools is side door option really viable.” CW-1 responded that the deadline for USC and Boston College was “mid July.” When WILSON replied that he thought the deadline for
USC was earlier, CW-1 explained: “Jovan [Vavic] is giving me 1boys slot and as of yet no one has stepped up to commit that is why it is later."

 

[dad4aa]

USC's acceptance rate is lower than Notre Dame's.

USC = 13%
Notre Dame = 18%

misleading stat, 2018 was 13% which was the lowest in school history. Average rate is 18%

 

[Whiskeyjack]

misleading stat, 2018 was 13% which was the lowest in school history. Average rate is 18%

Regardless, ND's ROI is significantly (37%) higher.

 

[ab2cmiller]

misleading stat, 2018 was 13% which was the lowest in school history. Average rate is 18%

Regardless, ND's ROI is significantly (37%) higher.

We can nitpick the stats, but the bottom line is that USC's acceptance rate has typically been 2 to 3 percent lower than Notre Dame's. Don't overreact that this somehow implies that USC is a better school. It is not. It simply means that USC receives a larger number of applicants because A LOT of California kids have USC as their dream school.

While USC is a fine school, ND has better admitted student stats, is ranked higher on almost everyone's College Ranking list and as Whisky pointed out has a better ROI.

The question that was originally posed, was is USC really that hard to get into. Yes it is pretty hard to get into. The rest is symantics.

 

[ulukinatme]

Aunt Becky though..... that still blows my mind.

She better hope the prosecutors have mercy on her.

Reps to you

 

[NDBoiler]

Regardless, ND's ROI is significantly (37%) higher.

Unrelated to USC, but I’ve always wanted to ask Whiskey - how do you factor in taking a student loan for tuition vs cash flowing? I would think that the 200k+ in debt to pay off would make a significant difference in rankings especially if you compare a high cost private school like ND on student loans vs a cash flowed in-state public school and graduating with no student loan debt to take care of.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Unrelated to USC, but I’ve always wanted to ask Whiskey - how do you factor in taking a student loan for tuition vs cash flowing? I would think that the 200k+ in debt to pay off would make a significant difference in rankings especially if you compare a high cost private school like ND on student loans vs a cash flowed in-state public school and graduating with no student loan debt to take care of.

Payscale accounts for it, though I had to back that out for my CFB ROI since tuition is irrelevant to scholarship athletes.

 

[NDBoiler]

Payscale accounts for it, though I had to back that out for my CFB ROI since tuition is irrelevant to scholarship athletes.

Thanks for the link, although they still reference a “loan amount” on their listing that is without financial aid. I understand this discussion wouldn’t apply to scholarship athletes.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Aunt Becky still looks good. Seeing Stanford in there makes me happy.

 

[Henges24]

Didn't John Stamos just get in trouble for something a couple years back?

Who's next? Bob Staget?

 

[BobbyMac]

SIAP.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One parent wanted to fake their kid off as a long snapper, and was told Notre Dame's standards were too high.<br><br>He ended up at USC. LOLOLOLOLOL <a href="https://t.co/N8pKkDTrA9">pic.twitter.com/N8pKkDTrA9</a></p>— Alex Griswold (@HashtagGriswold) <a href="https://twitter.com/HashtagGriswold/status/1105523537073319936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[Whiskeyjack]

ND prof Patrick Deneen talked about this on Tucker Carlson's show last night:

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It's very relevant to one of the chapters in his recent book Why Liberalism Failed; which isn't about right v. left (even Obama named it as his favorite book of 2018), but about why all of this has been baked in from the beginning.

And in related news, a nonprofit I'm associated with is bringing Deneen to Phoenix to speak on this topic on Saturday. If you're in the area, let me know and I can get you in the door.

 

[Legacy]

A lot of the top universities for ROI are military.

A Military Retirement is Worth Millions of Dollars


The Defense Department knows it needs to become more efficient. It now spends a third of its (base) budget on personnel and maintenance. That will rise to 100% by 2024, thanks to retirement and medical costs.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I got into Notre Dame the old-fashioned way -- I created it.</p>— Edward Sorin, C.S.C. (@FatherSorin) <a href="https://twitter.com/FatherSorin/status/1105573196642828288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[ulukinatme]

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Why are the acceptance rates at USC so low?

Lots of discussion today at my work re: Lori Laughlin, etc. My first reaction was "USC?! How dumb is your daughter?"

What am I missing?

 

[irishnd31]

LMAO

 

[ab2cmiller]

Why are the acceptance rates at USC so low?

Lots of discussion today at my work re: Lori Laughlin, etc. My first reaction was "USC?! How dumb is your daughter?"

What am I missing?

Good academic school in a large state where USC is one of the dream schools for half of the Seniors in high school.

This leads to a large number of applicants for not a lot of spots. Thus the low acceptance rate.

 

[IrishLax]

Good academic school in a large state where USC is one of the dream schools for half of the Seniors in high school.

This leads to a large number of applicants for not a lot of spots. Thus the low acceptance rate.

Also, international applications. They gets tons of applications from China because they made a concerted effort many years ago to recruit China... that's the main thing that drives their acceptance rate lower than their scores/GPA suggest it should be. The school is 17% Asian and 24% "international"... which is really code for 35-40% Asian.

 

[ACamp1900]

Haven't checked in years but UCLA usually has far lower (some of the lowest in the world if I remember correctly).... so many applicants.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

So my assumption was that it's population related is more on point than I first thought. Thanks for the answers guys.

 

[koonja]

USC might be my favorite school right now. I'm enjoying their news more than ND's.

 

[BobbyMac]

Also, international applications. They gets tons of applications from China because they made a concerted effort many years ago to recruit China... that's the main thing that drives their acceptance rate lower than their scores/GPA suggest it should be. The school is 17% Asian and 24% "international"... which is really code for 35-40% Asian.

If SC is 35-40% Asian then UCLA is 85% and UC Irvine is 103.7%.

I was shocked at how crackerasswhitebread SC appeared to be when I was on campus... and I'm not talking gameday.