USC recruiting and everything else

[Luckylucci]

I don't really know much about wrongful term, but if alcoholism is considered a disease, wouldn't this apply? I don't remember SC handling this especially well and it seems there was a lot of internal pressure to give Sark the boot. Wouldn't be surprised if they skipped a couple of legal steps in the process.

I have no clue about the process either but when it occurred I told a co-worker that this wouldn't surprise me as it kind of seemed like USC didn't handle this all that well.

 

[beryirish]

What sucks is how complex these things have now gotten.

He was drinking on the job. Easy next step is you're fired. End of story. Wish life was back to being that simple again. But hey lawyers need to get paid you know

 

[Luckylucci]

What sucks is how complex these things have now gotten.

He was drinking on the job. Easy next step is you're fired. End of story. Wish life was back to being that simple again. But hey lawyers need to get paid you know

Agreed.

My assumption is that there was multiple incidents and that we don't even know about some, as Haden was probably trying to keep it under wraps but they just eventually added up too much and he was forced to.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Things got pretty heated with Sarkisian & Haden on Oct. 11, when Sark left practice. <a href="https://t.co/rDCDbLnEBk">pic.twitter.com/rDCDbLnEBk</a></p>— Ted Miller (@TedMillerRK) <a href="https://twitter.com/TedMillerRK/status/673943410613485568">December 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Luckylucci]

It'll be interesting to see if this is what finally pushes Haden out.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It'll be interesting to see if this is what finally pushes Haden out.

In the 5 minutes I've been reading about it, he looks a lot worse than he did this morning (which was already pretty bad from a competence perspective). I don't see how he survives this, even if it's mostly exaggerated. Horrible optics for SC.

 

[phgreek]

Agreed.

My assumption is that there was multiple incidents and that we don't even know about some, as Haden was probably trying to keep it under wraps but they just eventually added up too much and he was forced to.

He'll get a settlement because he knows USC can't stand the drama...AND, if they are smart they know the 12 step program is going to have him telling everyone all the bad shit he did, some of which might be infractions...he gets off (in the public eye) because he was drunk...USC however, not so fast. I bet they give him 2-4 Mil to go the hell away and STFU..

 

[Luckylucci]

He'll get a settlement because he knows USC can't stand the drama...AND, if they are smart they know the 12 step program is going to have him telling everyone all the bad shit he did, some of which might be infractions...he gets off (in the public eye) because he was drunk...USC however, not so fast. I bet they give him 2-4 Mil to go the hell away and STFU..

Hadn't thought about that part of it yet. There will probably be some pretty good headlines about this, lol.

 

[arrowryan]

What did USC do wrong here, though? Is this really where we are as a society?

I'm pretty sure that being a drunk doesn't make you unfireable. If so, I need to step out of my office for a moment...

Sark can claim that his drinking problem is a disability and then the firing would go against the American's with Disabilities Act. But we don't know what was in his contract; if the his contract has an alcohol policy then there shouldn't be anything wrong with the firing

 

[NDbrbkny]

Sark is claiming that USC knew because they made him sign a letter about his alcoholism
Steve Sarkisian: Letter proves USC knew about alcohol issues | Yardbarker.com

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Burn Troy burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please let us find out they were also running drugs from the football practice facilities...or some of their players were paid to "fluff" some porn stars or anything along those lines.

"I don't often hope evil things but when I do, it's always related to USC and UM football"

 

[Classic Irish]

Burn Troy burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please let us find out they were also running drugs from the football practice facilities...or some of their players were paid to "fluff" some porn stars or anything along those lines.

"I don't often hope evil things but when I do, it's always related to USC and UM football"

Or: I prefer to take the low road----you get there faster and with a smile.

 

[Classic Irish]

He'll get a settlement because he knows USC can't stand the drama...AND, if they are smart they know the 12 step program is going to have him telling everyone all the bad shit he did, some of which might be infractions...he gets off (in the public eye) because he was drunk...USC however, not so fast. I bet they give him 2-4 Mil to go the hell away and STFU..

Yep. I'd love to know the sordid details regarding the recruitment of Sua Cravens, Adoree Jackson, Juju Smith, etc...

 

[BobbyMac]

A bad SC is not good for ND or college football. I wish they'd go 12 or 13 and 2 every year with both losses to the Irish.

 

[pumpdog20]

Not sorry for USC, and not sorry for Sark's sob story either.

 

[Classic Irish]

A bad SC is not good for ND or college football. I wish they'd go 12 or 13 and 2 every year with both losses to the Irish.

Respectfully disagree. I hope they never win another game. As I've said before, if al Qaeda fielded a football team and had to play southern cal, I'm not sure which team I'd want to win.

 

[Legacy]

Steve Sarkisian sues USC, alleging discrimination and breach of contract - LA Times

"The law is pretty clear that if someone is currently abusing drugs or alcohol in the workplace, it makes it very, very hard for them to take advantage of the laws that protect disability."

Alcoholism and how USC may have violated ADA by firing Steve Sarkisian | EntertainHR

Alcoholism is considered a disability under the federal ADA and analogous state disability laws. Therefore, employers cannot discriminate on the basis of someone’s alcohol-related disability and must engage in the interactive process and provide a reasonable accommodation if necessary. Obviously, employees cannot simply come to work drunk and avoid disciplinary action by claiming reliance upon alcohol. And employers are permitted to have policies expressly prohibiting alcohol in the workplace or else employees will face harsh disciplinary action up to and including termination.

In addition, an individual who suffers from alcohol dependency still must be able to perform the essential job functions, and those include but are not limited to adhering to the company’s attendance policy and work performance standards.

 

[phillyirish]

A bad SC is not good for ND or college football. I wish they'd go 12 or 13 and 2 every year with both losses to the Irish.

Yea cause our decade of sh*t really hindered USC's path to 2 titles and 7 straight trips finishing in the top 5. I'm sure through it all they were thinking: man I wish ND was good so this winning thing wasn't so darn easy

 

[Irish#1]

IT GETS BETTER:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the supporting points in Sark's lawsuit is that a Bleacher Report writer gave him A+ for his coaching job vs. ASU.</p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/673930473735766016">December 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Blind squirrel

Agreed.

My assumption is that there was multiple incidents and that we don't even know about some, as Haden was probably trying to keep it under wraps but they just eventually added up too much and he was forced to.

Had to be multiple incidents. The dinner and practice are two examples. Has to be more. Maybe less dramatic, but none the less.

He'll get a settlement because he knows USC can't stand the drama...AND, if they are smart they know the 12 step program is going to have him telling everyone all the bad shit he did, some of which might be infractions...he gets off (in the public eye) because he was drunk...USC however, not so fast. I bet they give him 2-4 Mil to go the hell away and STFU..

As we all know, that's pretty much how these things are worked out.

Sark is claiming that USC knew because they made him sign a letter about his alcoholism
Steve Sarkisian: Letter proves USC knew about alcohol issues | Yardbarker.com

Hope he or his agent kept a copy. If that's real, then USC is really in a world of hurt IMO.

 

[gkIrish]

Wonder if USC hired Helton permanently knowing (a) a shitstorm was coming and (b) coaches are not interested because they perceive USC as having thrown Sark under the bus.

Just spitballing.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Wonder if USC hired Helton permanently knowing (a) a shitstorm was coming and (b) coaches are not interested because they perceive USC as having thrown Sark under the bus.

Just spitballing.

I thought the same thing when they hired him. Keep the guy they are familiar with during the process.

 

[ulukinatme]

I hope he makes some serious cash out of this. Can't see him making much of a living as a coach going forward.

Also, this has to be the end of Haden right??? Considering alcoholism is a disability, Sark seems to have a case.

Hope not. He may try to get his old job back. He may not have been the worst announcer to call our games, but there's enough former rivals in the booth as it is.

Respectfully disagree. I hope they never win another game. As I've said before, if al Qaeda fielded a football team and had to play southern cal, I'm not sure which team I'd want to win.

This. SoS is great, but at 11-1 we were likely not getting into the playoff as it is. A lot of people thought we were a lock, but we weren't. I said last year the only guarantee is going 12-0, or join one of the conferences with a championship game. I would rather Michigan and USC both lose every one of their games, fuck 'em both.

 

[wizards8507]

Also, this has to be the end of Haden right??? Considering alcoholism is a disability, Sark seems to have a case.

That's absolutely irrelevant. The standard is "reasonable accommodation." If you're paralyzed from the waist down, you can't be a crab fisherman. If your religion won't let you work on Sundays, you can't be an NFL referee.

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AND HIRING POLICE OFFICERS

12. Q: Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?

A. Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if he or she is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol.

Case closed.

 

[connor_in]

Is it true that his lawsuit references an SB Nation article grading him as an A or A+ for his coaching against AZ...thus showing his problem didn't adversely effect his duties? Saw on twitter, but wasn't sure if real or joke.

 

[Legacy]

Todd McNair vs the NCAA

Todd McNair vs the NCAA

Court slams NCAA in Reggie Bush USC violations case

"This evidence clearly indicates that the ensuing (NCAA infractions committee) report was worded in disregard of the truth to enable the (NCAA committee) to arrive at a predetermined conclusion that USC employee McNair was aware of the NCAA violations," said the ruling from California's Second District Court of Appeal. "To summarize, McNair established a probability that he could show actual malice by clear and convincing evidence based on the (committee's) doubts about McNair's knowledge, along with its reckless disregard for the truth about his knowledge, and by allowing itself to be influenced by nonmembers to reach a needed conclusion."

Whoa, Nellie!

 

[BobbyMac]

Respectfully disagree. I hope they never win another game. As I've said before, if al Qaeda fielded a football team and had to play southern cal, I'm not sure which team I'd want to win.

I get the hate aspect of sports fandom. I hate the Green Bay Packers and the Minnesota Vikings. I wish they both go 1-15 each year. As a Bear fan I can do that because their play has no possible sway over my team's run to a championship. That cannot be said about college football when the fate of your team is up to 12 geeks in a room.

Yea cause our decade of sh*t really hindered USC's path to 2 titles and 7 straight trips finishing in the top 5. I'm sure through it all they were thinking: man I wish ND was good so this winning thing wasn't so darn easy

Point made. SC has the benefit of playing in a respected conference and that PAC-12 championship during a 1 loss season virtually guarantees them a playoff spot most years. ND is guaranteed nothing with that 1 loss. Had SC been a 2 loss, PAC-12 champ and Stanford's kicker misses the FG, ND gets in over OU guaranteed on the strength of a strong SC however.

You won't remember this but the Notre Dame - Purdue rivalry used to be above everything else but SC and locally was even more important. I'm talking a level of hate that Michigan never even attained since the reboot in '78. If you guys want SC to suck then be prepared for emotionless games like Purdue and Navy were for decades. Great hero's need a great villain. Purdue, Navy, Michigan St, Michigan (sorta) are not the same as their high points for various reasons. Sidestepping Stanford as a Johnny come lately, SC is all that is left of the glory years that many of us grew up with, the rivalries that made ND...ND.

 

[dad4aa]

Is it true that his lawsuit references an SB Nation article grading him as an A or A+ for his coaching against AZ...thus showing his problem didn't adversely effect his duties? Saw on twitter, but wasn't sure if real or joke.

I think it was a Bleacher Report...but I have not seen it.

 

[ThePiombino]

I think it was a Bleacher Report...but I have not seen it.

I remember hearing B/R as well.

 

[dublinirish]

anyone think haden went for the quick and easy option of hiring helton because he knew this storm was coming with sark?

 

[ThePiombino]

anyone think haden went for the quick and easy option of hiring helton because he knew this storm was coming with sark?

Yes. gk, 9 posts before you:

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/oth...ecruiting-everything-else-70.html#post1653933