Turf/ Jumbotron Thread

[NDBoiler]

I cannot come up with a single reason NOT to install field turf. I cannot fathom how it detracts from "tradition" if it is painted the same way it is now.

I'm convinced it's because if the NDNation crowd doesn't have something to complain about, they will cease to have a reason to exist!

 

[NDohio]

That's not necessarily true. I've sold a artificial turf business before and the name fieldturf has largely been genericized to describe all artificial turf.

It may very well be actual FieldTurf, but I wouldn't assume so.

Sorry, I didn't think italics were necessary for that joke. I was taking a shot at NDNation.

 

[wizards8507]

I cannot come up with a single reason NOT to install field turf. I cannot fathom how it detracts from "tradition" if it is painted the same way it is now.

Not "tradition," but "traditional." Real grass isn't directly tied to "Notre Dame Football," but it IS tied to "traditional, old school football," which appeals to a certain segment of America and an even bigger segment of Notre Dame fans. The very fact that it's artificial IS the problem. It's like tofurkey, turkey dogs, light beer, Japanese pickup trucks, or fake boobs. "New and improved" isn't always an improvement. It's the same as the uniform argument.

I'd take the first image over the second one eight days a week. The guys at NDNation might be downers and complainers and everything else, but that doesn't mean they're wrong about everything.

 

[Irishfan33]

I'm all for changing the the playing surface.
The Players and Coaches hate it.

Not crazy about the Jumbo Tron because it would take away from what's going on the field.
Love the Band and what goes on during the game on the sidelines.

 

[wizards8507]

I'm all for changing the the playing surface.
The Players and Coaches hate it.

1. THIS coach hates it, not every coach on Earth.

2. Who says the players hate it?

3. Even if they do, who cares what the players think? I'm sure the players also hate Intro to Financial Accounting, sharing a double in Dillon Hall, and the first two-a-day practice of the summer. That doesn't mean we should get rid of those things.

 

[IrishLax]

1. THIS coach hates it, not every coach on Earth.

Every one I've ever talked to in any sport prefers consistent turf of some sort.

2. Who says the players hate it?

They do. And they practice on turf.

3. Even if they do, who cares what the players think? I'm sure the players also hate Intro to Financial Accounting, sharing a double in Dillon Hall, and the first two-a-day practice of the summer. That doesn't mean we should get rid of those things.

.... really man? They're the most important people in this decision, from both a recruiting and performance angle. Players should play on whatever playing surface they prefer and gives them the best ability to perform at a high level. This is pretty much common sense.

 

[wizards8507]

Every one I've ever talked to in any sport prefers consistent turf of some sort.

"Consistent turf" doesn't need to be plastic. Again, I hope they surprise me with the Lambeau hybrid but that doesn't seem to be the way things are going.

They do. And they practice on turf.

Practice fields take a lot more abuse than a game field. Also, they practice indoors sometimes so I'm not sure that's a valid argument either way.

.... really man? They're the most important people in this decision, from both a recruiting and performance angle. Players should play on whatever playing surface they prefer and gives them the best ability to perform at a high level. This is pretty much common sense.

I was exaggerating to make a point. Again, they'd perform even better if they used steriods or didn't have to go to class, but there are reasons NOT to do those things. I'm all for maximizing performance, but not at the expense of something that I consider an integral part of the game.

Not to mention, "maximizing performance" also maximizes the OTHER team's performance. Stephon Tuitt might have marginally better footing on FieldTurf (which studies show might not even be true), but so would Taylor Lewan. You might feel like you're performing better, but so will the guy opposite you.

 

[Irishfan33]

1. THIS coach hates it, not every coach on Earth.

2. Who says the players hate it?

3. Even if they do, who cares what the players think? I'm sure the players also hate Intro to Financial Accounting, sharing a double in Dillon Hall, and the first two-a-day practice of the summer. That doesn't mean we should get rid of those things.

I'm sorry but.... what

were you serious

 

[Chamellion]

Listen, I understand the whole "you both play on the same field" argument, but who here doesn't want to see better football in general?

Given the choice between two plays, where a receiver slips and it's an easy INT (TJ vs Navy) or in the same play an actual play must be made on the play where the better player wins out, I'll take the second option any day.

Put in the turf. Give the players the best facilities money can buy, and when it comes to November games, and the grass is struggling to keep up, it's pretty clear that turf is the better option.

Jumbotron is another discussion, but turf is simply moving ND forward.

 

[dublinirish]

we need the bad field to negate USC's speed advantage!

 

[wizards8507]

Listen, I understand the whole "you both play on the same field" argument, but who here doesn't want to see better football in general?

I think that's really what it boils down to. You think "clean" football is "better" football. I disagree. Fumbles and mud and turnovers and teams adjusting their strategy to cope with the elements is exciting and part of why I love the game. One of my favorite games of all time was the "Tuck Rule Game" because it featured two teams not only battling each other, but battling the elements.

Given the choice between two plays, where a receiver slips and it's an easy INT (TJ vs Navy) or in the same play an actual play must be made on the play where the better player wins out, I'll take the second option any day.

Not trying to be snarky, but a serious question. Using that logic, why not make ND stadium a dome? A wind-blown field goal that sails wide right can be just as devastating as a wide receiver who slips. Cold hands and wet footballs have caused way more turnovers than squishy grass. Heat can be just as brutal, so the southern stadiums will need to be domed as well. Don't even get me started on playing at elevation. No more Broncos in Denver because those guys just aren't playing at their peak athletic ability when they're sucking oxygen every three plays.

 

[NDBoiler]

Listen, I understand the whole "you both play on the same field" argument, but who here doesn't want to see better football in general?

Given the choice between two plays, where a receiver slips and it's an easy INT (TJ vs Navy) or in the same play an actual play must be made on the play where the better player wins out, I'll take the second option any day.

Put in the turf. Give the players the best facilities money can buy, and when it comes to November games, and the grass is struggling to keep up, it's pretty clear that turf is the better option.

Jumbotron is another discussion, but turf is simply moving ND forward.

This^, especially that last line. The college football landscape changes frequently, albeit for the worse sometimes is certainly arguable. But if ND wants to maintain some leverage to recruit today's top players, they've got to acknowledge and at least accept a degree of change, otherwise they're eventually going to be left in the dust.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'm sorry but.... what

were you serious

Sadly, yes- he was.

 

[Irish#1]

Get a big bank to sponsor you, advertise prepaid debit cards, and then line the recruits.... wait. That's our advantage. n/m

LOL

 

[wizards8507]

Sadly, yes- he was.

"Sadly" dude? Really?

I get disagreeing with me, but it's "sad" that I prefer football to be played on natural grass?

 

[Pachuco]

Hybrid turf. No jumbotron, unless advertisements are nixed... so no jumbotron.

 

[wizards8507]

You know what? Balfour makes a wonderful material known as "Celestrium." It's stronger than gold and has much better wear characteristics. Let's do away with the "natural" gold that tops the Main Building. After all, it's expensive to maintain and needs to be repaired every few years. NFL teams don't have golden domes. Neither do the BCS top-10 universities. I think this change would really help our recruiting.

 

[IrishLax]

You know what? Balfour makes a wonderful material known as "Celestrium." It's stronger than gold and has much better wear characteristics. Let's do away with the "natural" gold that tops the Main Building. After all, it's expensive to maintain and needs to be repaired every few years. NFL teams don't have golden domes. Neither do the BCS top-10 universities. I think this change would really help our recruiting.

You are all about your false equivalencies today lol


(the most ironic part is that we actually did do away with the traditional real gold painted helmets for new modern ones... and the new ones are much more aesthetically appealing and 99.9% of people love them)

 

[Buster Bluth]

You know what? Balfour makes a wonderful material known as "Celestrium." It's stronger than gold and has much better wear characteristics. Let's do away with the "natural" gold that tops the Main Building. After all, it's expensive to maintain and needs to be repaired every few years. NFL teams don't have golden domes. Neither do the BCS top-10 universities. I think this change would really help our recruiting.

I remember when I was on the middle school debate team and would create arguments like this allll day.

 

[connor_in]

we need the bad field to negate USC's speed advantage!

Can we get extra long FieldTurf?

 

[connor_in]

I think that's really what it boils down to. You think "clean" football is "better" football. I disagree. Fumbles and mud and turnovers and teams adjusting their strategy to cope with the elements is exciting and part of why I love the game. One of my favorite games of all time was the "Tuck Rule Game" because it featured two teams not only battling each other, but battling the elements.



Not trying to be snarky, but a serious question. Using that logic, why not make ND stadium a dome? A wind-blown field goal that sails wide right can be just as devastating as a wide receiver who slips. Cold hands and wet footballs have caused way more turnovers than squishy grass. Heat can be just as brutal, so the southern stadiums will need to be domed as well. Don't even get me started on playing at elevation. No more Broncos in Denver because those guys just aren't playing at their peak athletic ability when they're sucking oxygen every three plays.

Originally Posted by connor_in
OK...we will go hybrid of the Jerry Jones/Lucas Oil/Boise St route...

Domed stadium with retractable roof with a HUGE window to see TDJ on the library and GINORmatron screen and ND blue feild turf with Sparkling Dome gold field lines

any of you guys good at photoshop...lets see what that would look like!

Pic thanx to Gattaca in post 288 in this thread

 

[wizards8507]

You are all about your false equivalencies today lol

(the most ironic part is that we actually did do away with the traditional real gold painted helmets for new modern ones... and the new ones are much more aesthetically appealing and 99.9% of people love them)

I remember when I was on the middle school debate team and would create arguments like this allll day.

Right. From now on, I'll review all my Irish Envy posts to be sure they conform with the standards set forth by the Lincoln-Douglas committee of the National Forensic League, so as to score the most points possible as adjudicated by Buster Bluth.

 

[irishog77]

I remember when I was on the middle school debate team and would create arguments like this allll day.

Pulling in all sorts of leg too, no doubt.

 

[gkIrish]

I find it funny that so many people don't have faith in an internationally renowned University to make a good decision.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Hey what do you think about making Touchdown Jesus visible from the stadium again?

For those of you who haven't been to a game, the upper ring of the stadium blocks (to the North side) the view of the library, to wit, Touchdown Jesus. If that ring were taken down on the North side, and increased on both the East and West, with the South side (Eddy Street, featuring a giant (two-sided) Jumbotron, what would you think?

 

[Rocket89]

Hey what do you think about making Touchdown Jesus visible from the stadium again?

For those of you who haven't been to a game, the upper ring of the stadium blocks (to the North side) the view of the library, to wit, Touchdown Jesus. If that ring were taken down on the North side, and increased on both the East and West, with the South side (Eddy Street, featuring a giant (two-sided) Jumbotron, what would you think?

I don't see the value in making Touchdown Jesus visible, at least as it relates to making him visible "again."

You could never see the building from field level anyway, and just as many people can now see TD Jesus from the upper bowl than could see it in the past (but who are now blocked) in the lower bowl. So as far as viewing it from a spectators perspective in their seat, it's really not that big of a deal.

Now, as far as opening the North end of the Stadium that might have some potential. However, knocking out all those seat really won't give that many people a better view of TD Jesus, will it? If you're sitting in the northeast or northwest section in the lower bowl will you have a good enough angle to see it still?

And as cool as it might be to be able to see the building from field level I'm not sure the angle is quite right as the field sits quite a bit lower than ground level.

 

[ulukinatme]

Hey what do you think about making Touchdown Jesus visible from the stadium again?

For those of you who haven't been to a game, the upper ring of the stadium blocks (to the North side) the view of the library, to wit, Touchdown Jesus. If that ring were taken down on the North side, and increased on both the East and West, with the South side (Eddy Street, featuring a giant (two-sided) Jumbotron, what would you think?

I'd like it. Stadium hasn't felt the same without seeing TDJ looking down. As long as we build up the East/West sides so we don't lose total seating, I'm all for it.

 

[GATTACA!]

Lets just move Touchdown Jesus closer

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Lets just move Touchdown Jesus closer

Like making touchdown jesus the goalpost? I like your thinking

 

[BGIF]

I find it funny that so many people don't have faith in an internationally renowned University to make a good decision.

They became that way during 20 years of Monk's mismanagement of America's #1 football program.