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This is what I'd be saying if she won.

He's not my dream candidate, but I am hoping he can put the right people in place to create jobs and grow the economy past the slow march we've had for years.

I hope he listens to Mattis and that would be a huuuuuuge improvement over where we've been on foreign policy. Look, Obama f'd up in Syria and it has snowballed. When the red line fell and Iran and Russia ran the dance, it was over.

It's not like Trump is loading up planes of cash to send off to Tehran.


I'll be glad I voted for him when his new Justice is the swing vote in Peruta v. Commiefornia later this year.

Yes, I would love it if they took his tweeter away and made him a tad more professional. However, I'm still optimistic that he can get things done.

My fear is that the protests and obstruction is about to reach a new level and set a nasty precedent.


I keep hearing Trump supporters say this about him getting the right people around him to get things done...

Have you seen his cabinet picks? Do you honestly think these are the kinds of people who are good for America?

Do you think it's ok that Trump still hasn't divested or released his tax returns?

Do you think it's ok that a foreign country helped influence the election? And that the soon-to-be POTUS and Sec. of State have strong business connections with said country?

Do you think it's ok and not hypocritical whatsoever that Trump is doing to CNN and other media outlets exactly what Obama did to Fox News that had Repubs so up in arms regarding freedom of the press, etc?

I'm legitimately asking these questions, because I have yet to find a pro-Trump person who can give me an honest response to these without mentioning HRC or any other Dem.
 

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This is what I'd be saying if she won.

He's not my dream candidate, but I am hoping he can put the right people in place to create jobs and grow the economy past the slow march we've had for years.

I hope he listens to Mattis and that would be a huuuuuuge improvement over where we've been on foreign policy. Look, Obama f'd up in Syria and it has snowballed. When the red line fell and Iran and Russia ran the dance, it was over.

It's not like Trump is loading up planes of cash to send off to Tehran.


I'll be glad I voted for him when his new Justice is the swing vote in Peruta v. Commiefornia later this year.

Yes, I would love it if they took his tweeter away and made him a tad more professional. However, I'm still optimistic that he can get things done.

My fear is that the protests and obstruction is about to reach a new level and set a nasty precedent.

It would be impossible to exceed the obstructionism of the past eight years, obstructionism that was topped-off by refusal to even hold a hearing on Obama's Supreme Court nominee. When it comes to obstructionism, the Republicans have it down pat.
 

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Have you seen his cabinet picks? Do you honestly think these are the kinds of people who are good for America?

I don't know that these people are going to be wildly successful, if that's what you mean by "good for America". But if you automatically assume that someone who is a millionaire cannot do anything but advocate for the rich, then it wouldn't matter if he nominated Jesus himself. Did you complain when John Kerry (net worth $198M+) was nominated? I bet not. One woman "plagiarized" a few paragraphs in a book, so what?


Do you think it's ok that Trump still hasn't divested or released his tax returns?

I don't give a rat's ass about his tax returns. What are you really going to learn from them? That he's not as rich as he claims to be? So fucking what? He's still richer than probably all of IE put together will ever be. I'm not sure yet how I feel about his "divesting". What's interesting to me is that, if I read your post correctly, people pointing out that Hillary Clinton did not divest herself from the Clinton Family Foundation is a bad thing. But you get to point out that "every Presidential candidate since Stephen Douglass has released theirs. Trump is making a mockery of tradition!"

Do you think it's ok that a foreign country helped influence the election? And that the soon-to-be POTUS and Sec. of State have strong business connections with said country?

I don't think the Russians influenced the election. I think that the WikiLeaks revelations just solidified a choice that many people had already made. After all, there were no bombshells on Election Day, but at the start of Election Day, just about every fucking pundit with a camera phone or an actual TV or radio show was telling America how lopsided the polls were. If the leaks influenced people, then that should have shown up in those polls, right?

Do you think it's ok and not hypocritical whatsoever that Trump is doing to CNN and other media outlets exactly what Obama did to Fox News that had Repubs so up in arms regarding freedom of the press, etc?

What did Trump do to CNN? He refused to take a question from them during a PC, and when Jim Acosta started whining and moaning about it, and wouldn't let it go, Trump told him why. He didn't refuse questions from any of the other reporters, so it's not like "The Press" didn't get to report on the news.
 

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I don't know that these people are going to be wildly successful, if that's what you mean by "good for America". But if you automatically assume that someone who is a millionaire cannot do anything but advocate for the rich, then it wouldn't matter if he nominated Jesus himself. Did you complain when John Kerry (net worth $198M+) was nominated? I bet not. One woman "plagiarized" a few paragraphs in a book, so what?

By "Good for America," I mean doing what's in the best interest for the country instead of for their own personal interests (or Trump's).

Your assumption is wrong.

Have you paid any attention to the confirmation hearings? It's not just the Dems who are going after some of these cabinet picks. There is an anxiety level as it pertains to conflicts of interests along with national security that is very legitimate.

Btw, thanks for bringing up other Dems as a part of your defense (something I specifically commented on).


I don't give a rat's ass about his tax returns. What are you really going to learn from them? That he's not as rich as he claims to be? So fucking what? He's still richer than probably all of IE put together will ever be. I'm not sure yet how I feel about his "divesting". What's interesting to me is that, if I read your post correctly, people pointing out that Hillary Clinton did not divest herself from the Clinton Family Foundation is a bad thing. But you get to point out that "every Presidential candidate since Stephen Douglass has released theirs. Trump is making a mockery of tradition!"

Once again, you can't make a post w/o commenting on the Dems or HRC.

I don't care about how rich he is or isn't. I don't care about how little he's paid. What I care about are his business ties. This is a businessman in the most powerful position in the world who conducts business all over the world and we're suppose to just trust his judgement on issues that will effect millions of Americans? I don't think it's wrong to gather more information (ie tax returns) to better inform us and maintain a fragment of transparency.



I don't think the Russians influenced the election. I think that the WikiLeaks revelations just solidified a choice that many people had already made. After all, there were no bombshells on Election Day, but at the start of Election Day, just about every fucking pundit with a camera phone or an actual TV or radio show was telling America how lopsided the polls were. If the leaks influenced people, then that should have shown up in those polls, right?

Trump, himself, has admitted Russian interference and influence. I'm not sure how you just get to dismiss that because you personally don't think it happened.

Did Trump win ENTIRELY because of Russian influence? No, of course not. So I'm disregarding the rest of your comment.

What did Trump do to CNN? He refused to take a question from them during a PC, and when Jim Acosta started whining and moaning about it, and wouldn't let it go, Trump told him why. He didn't refuse questions from any of the other reporters, so it's not like "The Press" didn't get to report on the news.

Trump has a very strong track record of attacking members of the press when he feels attacked or presented in a false manner. (Case by case, he sometimes has a valid argument). BUT, he retaliates against them (like a child) by banning certain reporters and journalists from events, etc. No, he didn't ban Jim Acosta (yet), as I'm sure you'll be quick to point out. But the way Trump handles the Press needs to brought to everyone's attention, constantly. (And yes, the Press needs to do a better job with news. I'm not denying that.)
 

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Someone in my Twitter feed linked to this NRO article by Kevin D. Williamson titled "Like a Boss" from the last presidential cycle:

What do women want? The conventional biological wisdom is that men select mates for fertility, while women select for status — thus the commonness of younger women’s pairing with well-established older men but the rarity of the converse. The Demi Moore–Ashton Kutcher model is an exception — the only 40-year-old woman Jack Nicholson has ever seen naked is Kathy Bates in that horrific hot-tub scene. Age is cruel to women, and subordination is cruel to men. Ellen Kullman is a very pretty woman, but at 56 years of age she probably would not turn a lot of heads in a college bar, and the fact that she is the chairman and CEO of Dupont isn’t going to change that.

It’s a good thing Mitt Romney doesn’t hang out in college bars.

You want off-the-charts status? Check out the curriculum vitae of one Willard M. Romney: $200 million in the bank (and a hell of a lot more if he didn’t give so much away), apex alpha executive, CEO, chairman of the board, governor, bishop, boss of everything he’s ever touched. Son of the same, father of more. It is a curious scientific fact (explained in evolutionary biology by the Trivers-Willard hypothesis — Willard, notice) that high-status animals tend to have more male offspring than female offspring, which holds true across many species, from red deer to mink to Homo sap. The offspring of rich families are statistically biased in favor of sons — the children of the general population are 51 percent male and 49 percent female, but the children of the Forbes billionaire list are 60 percent male. Have a gander at that Romney family picture: five sons, zero daughters. Romney has 18 grandchildren, and they exceed a 2:1 ratio of grandsons to granddaughters (13:5). When they go to church at their summer-vacation home, the Romney clan makes up a third of the congregation. He is basically a tribal chieftain.

Professor Obama? Two daughters. May as well give the guy a cardigan. And fallopian tubes.

From an evolutionary point of view, Mitt Romney should get 100 percent of the female vote. All of it. He should get Michelle Obama’s vote. You can insert your own Mormon polygamy joke here, but the ladies do tend to flock to successful executives and entrepreneurs. Saleh al-Rajhi, billionaire banker, left behind 61 children when he cashed out last year. We don’t do harems here, of course, but Romney is exactly the kind of guy who in another time and place would have the option of maintaining one. He’s a boss. Given that we are no longer roaming the veldt for the most part, money is a reasonable stand-in for social status. Romney’s net worth is more than that of the last eight U.S. presidents combined. He set up a trust for his grandkids and kicked in about seven times Barack Obama’s net worth, which at $11.8 million is not inconsiderable but probably less than Romney’s tax bill in a good year. If he hadn’t given away so much money to his church, charities, and grandkids, Mitt Romney would have more money than Jay-Z.

It is time for Mitt Romney to get in touch with his inner rich guy.

Some Occupy Wall Street types, believing it to be the height of wit, have begun to spell Romney’s name “Rmoney.” But Romney can do better than that — put it in all caps: R-MONEY. Jay-Z can keep his puny little lowercase letters and the Maybach: R-MONEY doesn’t own a flashy car with rims, R-MONEY does billion-dollar deals with Keystone Automotive and Delphi. You want to make it rain? R-MONEY is going to make it storm, like biblical. Rappers boast about their fat stacks: R-MONEY’s fat stacks live in a beachfront house of their own in the Hamptons, and the bricks in that house are made from tightly bound hundred-dollar bills. You have a ton of money? R-MONEY has 200 metric tons of money if he decides to keep it in cash.

Romney is forever saying — and God bless him for this — that we shouldn’t punish success, that we shouldn’t discourage risk-taking and entrepreneurship, and that we shouldn’t resent wealth. He celebrates the successful businessman and the free market that makes such success possible. And then he goes around acting like somebody who gives a fig about the price of a gallon of gas as anything other than a statistical abstraction on some spreadsheet somewhere or a political opportunity. This isn’t just cheap campaign theater: In 2010, Romney and his wife were flying back from the Vancouver winter Olympics when a guy flipped out on the plane and took a swing at him. Romney had reminded the guy to return his seat to the full upright and locked position before take-off — that’s our Mitt, no? Romney laughed the episode off and didn’t press charges, but the real news is this: Romney was flying commercial. In fact, he was sitting in the 15th row of an Embraer ERJ-190, which on Canadian Air means he was flying coach. Economy class! No normal person flies economy class if he can afford not to — and Romney can afford his own airliner. Fly like a G6? Romney could buy his-and-hers Gulfstreams and still have more money left over than Gwyneth Paltrow and the McCains combined. And John McCain famously has more houses than he can count.

I suppose he’s practicing bourgeois virtues and whatnot, and we conservatives probably should cheer that. Hurrah. Now Romney should quit pretending that he’s an ordinary schmo with ordinary schmo problems and start living a little larger. He should not be ashamed of being loaded; instead, he should have some fun with it. He will discover something that the Obama campaign has not quite figured out yet: Americans do not hate rich people. Americans love rich people. Americans will sit on their couches and watch billionaire Donald Trump fire people on television — for fun. Nobody hates Jay Leno for owning seven Aston Martins and 17 Lamborghinis — people go to his garage’s website (of course his garage has its own website) to ogle his cars and leave appreciative remarks. (Like President Obama, Leno’s big on green cars: He’s got 39 of them, which probably negates the environmental benefit of buying a green car, but whatever.) There are lots of children of rich and powerful men who do not turn out to be 0.01 percent as successful as Mitt Romney has. Meghan McCain’s father is a rich guy and a failed presidential candidate, just like Mitt’s. Anybody think Meghan McCain’s life is going to turn out like Mitt Romney’s?

Romney should try to find out whatever the hell happened to fellow gazillionaire William Weld, last seen nodding off in the lunchroom at McDermott Will & Emery, though by no means should he let it be known that he is seeking the advice of another moderate Republican ex-governor of Massachusetts. Weld has occasionally disastrous political judgment (he endorsed Romney in the 2008 primary but endorsed Barack Obama in the general) but he carried off the rich-guy thing with real panache. When it was suggested that his aristocratic background would prevent his understanding the problems of the common man, Weld retorted that his family “arrived in 1630 with only the shirts on their back . . . and 2,000 pounds of gold.” Romney, the millionaire executive/governor/presidential-candidate son of a millionaire executive/governor/presidential candidate, would be blessed to be as comfortable in his own pampered skin as Weld was.

It isn’t just that he has money — it’s how he got the money. Sure, he grew up rich — Dad was the CEO of American Motors. (Hey, where was their bailout?) But Mitt didn’t inherit his fortune: He gave away everything his father left him, establishing a school of public management in his father’s memory. (Old-school patriarchs build monuments to their fathers.) Why would he do a thing like that? Because he didn’t need the money: “I figured we had enough of our own,” he explained. And then some. George Romney made his money by being a boss — a leader. Mitt Romney has been the same thing. When things went wrong, people put Romney in charge of them — at Bain, at the Olympics, at a hundred companies he helped turn around or restructure. Bain is a financial firm, but Romney wasn’t some Wall Street bank-monkey with a pitch book. He was the guy who fired you. He was a boss, like his dad, and like his sons probably will be. Barack Obama was never in charge of anything of any significance until the delicate geniuses who make up the electorate of this fine republic handed him the keys to the Treasury and the nuclear football because we were tired of Frenchmen sneering at us when we went on vacation. Obama made his money in part through political connections — no, I don’t think Michelle Obama was worth nearly 400 grand a year — and by authoring two celebrity memoirs, his sole innovation in life having been to write the memoir first and become a celebrity second. Can you imagine Barack Obama trying to pull off a hostile takeover without Rahm Emanuel holding his diapers up for him? Impossible.

Elections are not about public policy. They aren’t even about the economy. Elections are tribal, and tribes are — Occupy types, cover your delicate ears — ruthlessly hierarchical. Somebody has to be the top dog. As much as we’d all like to forget Al Gore ever existed, it’s worth keeping in mind that ridiculous episode in which Naomi Wolf tried to teach him to be more of an overdog. Slate, after poking fun at her advising him to wear more earth-toned suits, reported it thus:

Wolf’s non-sartorial advice to Gore — and to President Clinton before him, as an unpaid adviser — is even stranger. She coached each to emphasize his manly strengths, relying on hoary, tired gender stereotypes. She reportedly told Gore that he is the “beta male” who must fight Clinton’s “alpha male” for dominance. And as an adviser to the Clinton White House, she informed the president that the nation was searching for a “good-father role model” to “build a house” for the country. “I will not let anyone or anything touch the bedrock,” Wolf wrote in one memo for him. “I will DEFEND/PROTECT the foundation.” This came only three years after the publication of her book Fire with Fire, in which she savaged Republican spin doctors for positioning George Bush as “the reassuring arch-patriarch.”

Reassuring arch-patriarch — maybe one with enough sons and grandsons to form a pillaging band of marauders? Hillary Rodham Clinton told us that it takes a village, and Mitt Romney showed us how to populate a village with thriving offspring. Newsweek, which as of this writing is still in business, recently ran a cover photo of Romney with the headline: “The Wimp Factor: Is He Just Too Insecure to Be President?” Look at his fat stacks. Look at that mess of sons and grandchildren. Look at a picture of Ann Romney on her wedding day and that cocky smirk on his face. What exactly has Mitt Romney got to be insecure about? That he’s not as prodigious a patriarch as Ramses II or as rich as Lakshmi Mittal? I bet he sleeps at night and never worries about that. He has done everything right in life, and he should own it. And by own it, I mean put it on the black card and stow it in the G6 — or at least in first class, for Pete’s sake.

I doubt Trump ever read this, but Williamson pretty much nailed his campaign strategy four years ahead of time.
 

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No emoluments issues here... just a totally normal $415,000 spread between a weekend package at Trump's hotel and other DC area super-high end hotels...


Donald Trump’s soon-to-open hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue is offering a package during the presidential inauguration for a cool half-million.
The $500,000 will get discerning inauguration-goers*plenty of perks beyond accommodations in one of the hotel’s 6,300-square-foot duplexes, including a catered dinner for 24 and round-the-clock car service, according to the Travel Market Report.

And even by the standards of hotels offering the highest thread-count sheets in town, it’s pricey. By contrast, the St. Regis is offering a four-night inauguration package with*VIP-friendly extras such as*car service, shipping clothes to Washington and back (those ball gowns!), tea, private dinner, caviar and champagne, for only*$85,000, our colleague Roxanne Roberts reported.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...gural-weekend-package/?utm_term=.239008ba945b
 

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Someone in my Twitter feed linked to this NRO article by Kevin D. Williamson titled "Like a Boss" from the last presidential cycle:



I doubt Trump ever read this, but Williamson pretty much nailed his campaign strategy four years ahead of time.

That article was awesome. I love it. Alpha males and dominance.
 

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Meh, screw CNN, they got what they deserved. They leaked the questions to Hillary, trying to help rig the election in her favor. There's much to do about the Russians leaking information that was detrimental to the Hillary campaign. Is that worse than what was actually done? No, not for exposing the truth. Kind of silly to impeach or throw mud at Trump when he hasn't even been in office yet. At worst he was assisted by Russia by leaking Hillary's screw ups. What she actually did is worse than exposing the truth. Would she be impeached for those trangressions?
 
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I find it rather humorous that the Trump bashers aren't saying a word about Rep John Lewis making such idiotic statements and not attending the inauguration. Trump should simply ignore this guys comments rather than throw his own darts, but Lewis's protest is not the way to bring this country together. He's welcome to his opinions, but he should have not made those comments to the press.

You asked me what was bothering me.

Comments like this are.

This is classic attack the accuser.

I may not be much, but I came up raised with showing respect. Especially for those that payed the price.

Vets are at the top of that list. But Civil Rights protesters are and others who have fought for American rights are up there too.

And I will be the first to say, call me whatever label you want, but white Americans owe Native Americans, African-Americans, and former slaves, including the Irish.

[The Irish of course impregnated more whites (as in WASPS), that WASPS themselves did. So in a way, the Irish in America took over as their own reward. Unlike the common stereotype, you couldn't tell the difference in looks with most Irish, so they had a huge advantage. And their numbers were so great, they took over the public sector, civil service jobs for several generations, running towns police, fire, and public utility departments. So they had fewer hurtles than other ethnic groups, even say Italians.]

Back to it, I think it is dishonorable to decry those who fought the good fight, especially when it comes to this whole conversation in 2016.

You can say whatever you want about DJT, good or bad, but there is a truth to his trajectory. Way to many people, particularly a sub-set of people that feel whites are losing 'power,' (undeserved privilege is what it really is,) refuse to see the danger that this individual poses.

So they do things like insult others.

DJT has a major appointee he is promoting that has clearly broken every ethics law on the books, promoting legislation, after he purchased a stock that would benefit from that legislation, and then took campaign contributions from the same firm!

If the future Trump Administration weren't thousands of times worse than anything you can bring up on tired old men who throw temper tantrums, they would have their Justice Department throwing the book at him!

Do you realize that DJT's prospective appointees have filled out only around half of the questionnaires required by all past such appointees? And that in the past, regardless of which party was in charge, such applications were rejected until completed?

I think you ought to stop making fun of people, wake up and smell the coffee!

Let alone the people on this thread that want to blow Buster off on his points! That is just criminally ignorant. Buster is on top of his game, just watch and see.
 

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Meh, screw CNN, they got what they deserved. They leaked the questions to Hillary, trying to help rig the election in her favor. There's much to do about the Russians leaking information that was detrimental to the Hillary campaign. Is that worse than what was actually done? No, not for exposing the truth. Kind of silly to impeach or throw mud at Trump when he hasn't even been in office yet. At worst he was assisted by Russia by leaking Hillary's screw ups. What she actually did is worse than exposing the truth. Would she be impeached for those trangressions?

You think that getting questions early is worse than conspiring with Russia?


Also, it's not about what CNN did, it's about the President picking and choosing which media is legitimate and worthy of their rights to free press. Did Obama shut off Foxnews from the press conferences when all of their shows were perpetrating the Birther Movement and spreading the rumor of him being muslim?
 
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You asked me what was bothering me.

Comments like this are.

This is classic attack the accuser.

I may not be much, but I came up raised with showing respect. Especially for those that payed the price.

Vets are at the top of that list. But Civil Rights protesters are and others who have fought for American rights are up there too.

And I will be the first to say, call me whatever label you want, but white Americans owe Native Americans, African-Americans, and former slaves, including the Irish.

[The Irish of course impregnated more whites (as in WASPS), that WASPS themselves did. So in a way, the Irish in America took over as their own reward. Unlike the common stereotype, you couldn't tell the difference in looks with most Irish, so they had a huge advantage. And their numbers were so great, they took over the public sector, civil service jobs for several generations, running towns police, fire, and public utility departments. So they had fewer hurtles than other ethnic groups, even say Italians.]

Back to it, I think it is dishonorable to decry those who fought the good fight, especially when it comes to this whole conversation in 2016.

You can say whatever you want about DJT, good or bad, but there is a truth to his trajectory. Way to many people, particularly a sub-set of people that feel whites are losing 'power,' (undeserved privilege is what it really is,) refuse to see the danger that this individual poses.

So they do things like insult others.

DJT has a major appointee he is promoting that has clearly broken every ethics law on the books, promoting legislation, after he purchased a stock that would benefit from that legislation, and then took campaign contributions from the same firm!

If the future Trump Administration weren't thousands of times worse than anything you can bring up on tired old men who throw temper tantrums, they would have their Justice Department throwing the book at him!

Do you realize that DJT's prospective appointees have filled out only around half of the questionnaires required by all past such appointees? And that in the past, regardless of which party was in charge, such applications were rejected until completed?

I think you ought to stop making fun of people, wake up and smell the coffee!

Let alone the people on this thread that want to blow Buster off on his points! That is just criminally ignorant. Buster is on top of his game, just watch and see.

Today I learned that white Americans owe blacks, Indians (feathers, not dots), and Irish people.

Since I am white, but also at least 25%, maybe more, Irish, do I pay out or do I take in?
 
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Meh, screw CNN, they got what they deserved. They leaked the questions to Hillary, trying to help rig the election in her favor. There's much to do about the Russians leaking information that was detrimental to the Hillary campaign. Is that worse than what was actually done? No, not for exposing the truth. Kind of silly to impeach or throw mud at Trump when he hasn't even been in office yet. At worst he was assisted by Russia by leaking Hillary's screw ups. What she actually did is worse than exposing the truth. Would she be impeached for those trangressions?

About two percent of what you are saying in this post makes sense.

CNN didn't leak anything. You are talking about potential questions in a primary from a paid political operative. (I agree, CNN should fire all of them, from both sides.)

If Trump and his staff had meetings with Putin and his staff through the election process, that would count as high crimes and misdemeanors in my book, and would include Mike Pence.

Donna Brazil running her mouth to a Clinton staffer is not remotely the same thing. Frankly, I would never expect you to stoop to this level U!

But I do think that Hillary had enough shady things going on between Donna and Debbie, that it really affected her (cost her dearly) chances at winning the election.

This is my problem with the Democratic Party, and Democrats in general lately. Instead of rise and promote the truth, and win big, these ego-maniacal, neo-liberalist, neo-fascist, personalities took over the party, and were allowed front and center against equally idiotic Republicans.

So where some may see an argument for punishing one party over another, I ask you all to stop the madness, and trash them all! DON'T SUPPORT CRIMINALS, NO MATTER WHAT THEY PROMISE!
 

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Today I learned that white Americans owe blacks, Indians (feathers, not dots), and Irish people.

Since I am white, but also at least 25%, maybe more, Irish, do I pay out or do I take in?

When you post your "comments" in the political threads, do you actually stop licking the window to type, or are you a pretty good multi-tasker?

Maybe you lick the window between "comments" and then use the typing time as a bonus mouth breathing session.
 

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Today I learned that white Americans owe blacks, Indians (feathers, not dots), and Irish people.

Since I am white, but also at least 25%, maybe more, Irish, do I pay out or do I take in?

Go into a bar and buy the category persons a drink. Have a fourth of a Guiness.
 
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Today I learned that white Americans owe blacks, Indians (feathers, not dots), and Irish people.

Since I am white, but also at least 25%, maybe more, Irish, do I pay out or do I take in?

Where did you learn about 'Indians' from?

Pretty sure, I only spoke of Native Americans, not southern Asians.

I am really tired of the same bs from you over and over. That slip is just proof that you are using your own 'already listening.'

And my point was that the Irish have been rewarded for what they have had taken, by the US, that is, not by the British. That 800 years of rape and torture is far from repaid.

So, my suggestion is that since you are still concerned about whether you should pay or receive, if you actually go fuck yourself, you will have perfected both in one act!

Perfect solution for you!
 

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Meh, screw CNN, they got what they deserved. They leaked the questions to Hillary, trying to help rig the election in her favor. There's much to do about the Russians leaking information that was detrimental to the Hillary campaign. Is that worse than what was actually done? No, not for exposing the truth. Kind of silly to impeach or throw mud at Trump when he hasn't even been in office yet. At worst he was assisted by Russia by leaking Hillary's screw ups. What she actually did is worse than exposing the truth. Would she be impeached for those trangressions?

What truth was exposed in those emails that was worse than one of the candidates calling on a foreign government that actively undermines and works against US interests around the world to hack and influence the US election process? Trump is a lifelong professional swindler and pathological liar with serious psychological issues. He is not worthy of your time and energy defending him.
 

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Where did you learn about 'Indians' from?

Pretty sure, I only spoke of Native Americans, not southern Asians.

I am really tired of the same bs from you over and over. That slip is just proof that you are using your own 'already listening.'

And my point was that the Irish have been rewarded for what they have had taken, by the US, that is, not by the British. That 800 years of rape and torture is far from repaid.

So, my suggestion is that since you are still concerned about whether you should pay or receive, if you actually go fuck yourself, you will have perfected both in one act!

Perfect solution for you!

I learned about them from our competitions in high school. Many of their schools even call themselves "Indians."

On top of competing with them in athletics growing up, they are very common up here on the Prairie.

As an fellow Irishman, it's embarrassing that someone would claim reparations for events that happened, in most cases, hundreds of years ago. To quote Disney's Frozen, let it go!
 
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I don't know that these people are going to be wildly successful, if that's what you mean by "good for America". But if you automatically assume that someone who is a millionaire cannot do anything but advocate for the rich, then it wouldn't matter if he nominated Jesus himself. Did you complain when John Kerry (net worth $198M+) was nominated? I bet not. One woman "plagiarized" a few paragraphs in a book, so what?




I don't give a rat's ass about his tax returns. What are you really going to learn from them? That he's not as rich as he claims to be? So fucking what? He's still richer than probably all of IE put together will ever be. I'm not sure yet how I feel about his "divesting". What's interesting to me is that, if I read your post correctly, people pointing out that Hillary Clinton did not divest herself from the Clinton Family Foundation is a bad thing. But you get to point out that "every Presidential candidate since Stephen Douglass has released theirs. Trump is making a mockery of tradition!"



I don't think the Russians influenced the election. I think that the WikiLeaks revelations just solidified a choice that many people had already made. After all, there were no bombshells on Election Day, but at the start of Election Day, just about every fucking pundit with a camera phone or an actual TV or radio show was telling America how lopsided the polls were. If the leaks influenced people, then that should have shown up in those polls, right?



What did Trump do to CNN? He refused to take a question from them during a PC, and when Jim Acosta started whining and moaning about it, and wouldn't let it go, Trump told him why. He didn't refuse questions from any of the other reporters, so it's not like "The Press" didn't get to report on the news.

We got it Moose, you and Donald don't believe all of the intelligence services, and other independent professional sources. I personally am good with that.

As far as Trumps tax returns and the questionnaires that his appointees left incredibly blank, you have (among other things), you have the Emoluments clause of the US Constitution. This is something that the founding fathers took extremely seriously, as has every generation since. This is all about American leadership having financial and personal interests, that are in conflict with America's own best interests.

And interestingly enough, as of today, two of DJT's appointees have been clearly shown to have breaches in ethical protocols of alarming proportions, (not little things, but serious ones), similar to this.

And also, of course, DJT refuses to recuse himself of his businesses, and can be seen already to be regularly profiting off his presidency.

And don't refer to DJT as a capable billionaire (or millionaire), he has gone bankrupt six times. He has been schooled by Merv Griffin! The guy wouldn't have much, if he didn't have a lack of scruples. So painting him as accomplished, and a white knight, (pardon the pun) for this country, just makes you look, foolish.
 
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I learned about them from our competitions in high school. Many of their schools even call themselves "Indians."

On top of competing with them in athletics growing up, they are very common up here on the Prairie.

As an fellow Irishman, it's embarrassing that someone would claim reparations for events that happened, in most cases, hundreds of years ago. To quote Disney's Frozen, let it go!

I don't know if it is that you can't read, have so little understanding, or are so wrapped up in your world view, but I look at this last post and just go, 'Oh My!'

To summarize, you clearly admit you aren't listening to anything out of the context of your experience, are desperate regardless of how foolish you look or how badly you disgrace yourself to continue on, and then sum it all up with a coup de grâce consisting of a quote from a Disney kids fantasy movie!

Okay.

Pstt! Please put me on ignore. This has gotten too painful to continue.
 

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I find it ironic that people are aghast at the idea of "meddling" in the election process. We should look in the mirror. Truth be told, we got a taste of our own medicine, which we have dished out more frequently than those pesky Russians. The US has intervened in elections in Chile, Nicaragua, Poland, El Salvador, Indonesia, and many others, to promote regimes supporting U.S. economic or geopolitical interests. Often this is disguised as "promoting Democracy". Now the shoe is on the other foot and Russia tried to promote their self interests. How appalling.

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Personally, I find this whole discussion and paranoia to be a fascinating example of psychology theory coming to life. The primary issue is not that extraordinary conditions have led to a situation where things have gotten out of hand, but rather the unchecked existence of psychotic-like processes in the everyday operation of our social groups (in this case, political affiliation). Far too many people, very smart people, have gotten caught up in idealization and devaluation. It has been building over the past two decades and appears to have hit a crescendo the past 8 weeks (hopefully). As with most political things, it will not be as bad nor as good as what we think. Obama didn't end the world and Trump won't either. That said, I will be watching this from the sideline from this point forward....I can't keep up with you all.
 
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You think that getting questions early is worse than conspiring with Russia?

Also, it's not about what CNN did, it's about the President picking and choosing which media is legitimate and worthy of their rights to free press. Did Obama shut off Foxnews from the press conferences when all of their shows were perpetrating the Birther Movement and spreading the rumor of him being muslim?

He didn't cut them off but his Justice Department seized phone records from Fox News while they investigated Fox News reporter, James Rosen, for espionage. They also seized Rosen's personal phone records and emails during the investigation. Journalists on both the left and right were alarmed as they saw a colleague being criminally investigated for doing nothing more than routine reporting.

Obama has taken shots at Fox News, talk radio and other media outlets repeatedly (I think he did the other day) during his presidency. I think it's fair and expect Trump to do the same with a more, let's say, blunt approach.

Trump would be a fool to exclude CNN. Every night they do their best to unintentionally make him a bit more palatable to voters outside of his base.
 

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here is my analogy for the recent russian hacking, I say 'recent' because its nothing new.

-a couple has been married for 40 years.
-From day 1 the husband has been relentlessly cheating on the wife
-From day 1 the wife has been relentlessly cheating on the husband.
-From day 1 the husband has known that the wife has been cheating
-From day 1 the wife has known that the husband has been cheating.

Obama leveling sanctions against russia, and throwing out the diplomats is equivalent to:

40 years into it, all of a sudden the wife says she wants a divorce because the husband has been cheating.
 

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here is my analogy for the recent russian hacking, I say 'recent' because its nothing newg.

I agree. It is nothing new.

Also, I love the the left pretends that she Mrs. Integrity prior to Wikileaks and this somehow damaged her reputation. This has been nothing but an attempt to to de-legitimize Trump.

Long before WikiLeaks, Americans had concluded that Clinton was a congenital liar. A CNN poll taken July 13-16 found that 65 percent of voters said Clinton was neither honest nor trustworthy and that 57 percent would not be proud to have her as president. A July 16 CBS News poll showed similar results — 67 percent of voters said Clinton was not honest or trustworthy. And little wonder.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b5164beba6b_story.html?utm_term=.8157abf592c9
 

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here is my analogy for the recent russian hacking, I say 'recent' because its nothing new.

-a couple has been married for 40 years.
-From day 1 the husband has been relentlessly cheating on the wife
-From day 1 the wife has been relentlessly cheating on the husband.
-From day 1 the husband has known that the wife has been cheating
-From day 1 the wife has known that the husband has been cheating.

Obama leveling sanctions against russia, and throwing out the diplomats is equivalent to:

40 years into it, all of a sudden the wife says she wants a divorce because the husband has been cheating.
Why does it have to be the wife asking for the divorce for those reasons. Sexist?
 

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You asked me what was bothering me.

Comments like this are.

This is classic attack the accuser.

I may not be much, but I came up raised with showing respect. Especially for those that payed the price.

Vets are at the top of that list. But Civil Rights protesters are and others who have fought for American rights are up there too.

And I will be the first to say, call me whatever label you want, but white Americans owe Native Americans, African-Americans, and former slaves, including the Irish.

[The Irish of course impregnated more whites (as in WASPS), that WASPS themselves did. So in a way, the Irish in America took over as their own reward. Unlike the common stereotype, you couldn't tell the difference in looks with most Irish, so they had a huge advantage. And their numbers were so great, they took over the public sector, civil service jobs for several generations, running towns police, fire, and public utility departments. So they had fewer hurtles than other ethnic groups, even say Italians.]

Back to it, I think it is dishonorable to decry those who fought the good fight, especially when it comes to this whole conversation in 2016.

You can say whatever you want about DJT, good or bad, but there is a truth to his trajectory. Way to many people, particularly a sub-set of people that feel whites are losing 'power,' (undeserved privilege is what it really is,) refuse to see the danger that this individual poses.

So they do things like insult others.

DJT has a major appointee he is promoting that has clearly broken every ethics law on the books, promoting legislation, after he purchased a stock that would benefit from that legislation, and then took campaign contributions from the same firm!

If the future Trump Administration weren't thousands of times worse than anything you can bring up on tired old men who throw temper tantrums, they would have their Justice Department throwing the book at him!

Do you realize that DJT's prospective appointees have filled out only around half of the questionnaires required by all past such appointees? And that in the past, regardless of which party was in charge, such applications were rejected until completed?

I think you ought to stop making fun of people, wake up and smell the coffee!

Let alone the people on this thread that want to blow Buster off on his points! That is just criminally ignorant. Buster is on top of his game, just watch and see.

I'm with you in regards to previous treatment of native Americans, blacks, etc.. I have all of the respect for Mr. Lewis and what he's fought for over the years. I will also remind you that I did not vote for Trump. I also did not vote for Clinton as I believe neither were good choices.

I find it very troubling that a man like Mr. Lewis wouldn't take this opportunity to help bring the country together. His comment and intention to skip the inauguration is sending a loud message that the office of the POTUS holds no respect or value. Like it or not, this country did elect Trump as our president. I did not vote for Obama, but I respect the man, the office he held and his intentions to better the country.

I also find it troubling that Trump feels the need to reply to damn near every comment he feels slighted by. While I don't agree in the manner that he is going about it, I do like that Trump is ruffling some feathers rather than continuing the D.C. status quo. Every congressman and senator should be worried about the next election.

Also troubling are the people that vilify Trump without him having taken office. Give the guy a chance before crucifying him.
 
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I don't know how I never read this before.

Donald Trump: Let Me Tell You About Smaug

Let me tell you about Smaug. Now, I knew the guy a long time, a good friend, he worked with me on the Laketown deal and told me he learned a lot from watching me. You could say I invented him. By the way, people do tell me that all the time, that I am one of the great teachers. They tell me that on my hit show The Apprentice, they tell me that in life.

But Smaug, if he learned anything, he didn’t learn enough. He turned out to be a terrible investor, a real dummy, just sat on his gold. He literally sat on it! No deals, no moves. I said Smaug, you dummy, you gotta be out there making deals, negotiating, sitting down at the table, incinerating people with fire. You’re not going to make any money sitting there like a big lazy dumb rock! You’ll be small potatoes forever! But he didn’t listen and he stayed in that backwater and he got so lazy, he was such a slow moving target – I mean, come on, an illiterate redneck takes one shot at you and boom, done, gone, dead. At a Trump property, we are always on the move, we are cutting deals, the best deals, and we use gold the way it was meant to be used, on fountains, escalators, walls – all the best, and very classy, people say.


I’m the best at talking to Sauron, I really am. Tough guy, tough negotiator but you really just have to have a man-to-man. Not like the people running Gondor, they’re stupid. I mean, how stupid are they? Now, my tower – and let me tell you, it’s the biggest, classiest tower, great views of the whole ring of stone and the forest and the river – I can get him on the line. Doesn’t answer anybody else, but when I want him, here’s there. I’ll be so good at dealing with him, it’ll make your head spin.

See now Gandalf, that guy is a total failure. Very low in the polls. Can’t win Rohan, can’t win Gondor. Everywhere I go they tell me they are glad to get rid of him. How many towers has he built? He doesn’t even have his own house. Very low energy. His idea of a good hotel, you ever been to the Green Dragon? What a dump. Terrible mattresses. Good beer, you know, I give him that, I don’t drink but they tell me very good beer, but the place attracts a very bad crowd, not classy at all. Awful service. Gandalf is like – dwarves, hobbits, these guys in green smocks and stuff – I mean, I’m very open-minded, the dwarves love me, but this is who you ask to kill a dragon? You bring them in and they fight over gold, we need to make better deals and tell them to go get their own gold. Very bad deals!

And how do you lose to a Balrog? No wonder Gandalf is single. What kind of woman would want to be with Gandalf? He looks like a homeless person! Zero discipline. None! He shows up late, smokes, sends the hobbits off to do his fighting, and loses to a Balrog. Pulled off a bridge by a Balrog. Why? Zero discipline! You never turn your back on a Balrog. You have to be strong. It’s why Gandalf never wins anymore! Nobody respects a man who hangs around with circus midgets while creeping around a cave.

The Last Alliance of Men and Elves, how incompetent was that. The Elves, they’re very sharp. I know them, I have negotiated with them, I understand them, they respect me, because I have worked with them and made deals with them. Isildur was not a negotiator. The great House of Gondor, not a negotiator, none of them. That’s why they wander like losers in the woods now. The Elves are negotiators. They make deals, and they take us to the cleaners because the Men are led by losers. The Elves do not respect losers. Look at what happened the last time. “Oh no,” Elrond said, “you take the Ring, Isildur.” And Isildur, he’s a dummy — the Gondorians are dummies, all of them, their wives all tell me that, beautiful women except their country is stupid — and he takes it. What does it get him? Face down in a ditch, a very low-class waterway, filled with arrows.

Meanwhile the Elves, they’re living forever, they’re building their tree-palaces, all the jobs going to other Elves, and the Men are wearing animal skins and wondering where the Kings of the West went. Numenor was a long time ago. Very classy place, huge. Now it’s gone, and Gondor is a dump. Nothing about my properties says “Gondor.” Gondor begs me to build there, you’d be shocked, they are always asking, “Donald, when will you put a casino in Gondor?” And I tell them, look as long as you’re thinking of ANOTHER alliance with Elrond in this Third Age, no, you get no casino. Elrond wants another alliance because the last one went so well. For him, not us. For Elves, not Men. You think the sons of Denethor will make that happen? I’ll make it happen.

And I’ll make the Elves pay for it.

L O freaking L
 

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Why does it have to be the wife asking for the divorce for those reasons. Sexist?

you are correct, its sexist; and possibly even misogynistic. the only thing missing is that I didnt attack myself in the same statement, I could then be the victim, and shut down my own debate while making sexist, misogynistic comments all at the same time.
 
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So, John Lewis and Maxine Waters are among some of the Dems not going to the Inauguration?

Hmm, did they attend the previous republican inauguration?

No they didn't? So, its just business as usual for them. Got it ;)
 
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