Trump Presidency

[Irish#1]

I hate to see this happen and it's not the peaceful transfer of power we should have, but yeah, when half the country gave tacit approval to Antifa and BLM to let them storm police stations, courthouses, memorials and other public facilities, to their flaunting of any rules of law or civil protest, and turned a blind eye to the violence from leftist groups this past year, what do you expect? I'm amused, but certainly not shocked by a few in here who are so upset by today but didn't have a word of criticism when it was their side doing similar all summer. It shouldn't have happened in either case, but to clutch their pearls now is disingenuous and hypocritical.

Well stated. It’s sad to see the chest thumping now when there were excuses and justification for the rioting earlier this year.

Don’t get me wrong, what’s happening is deplorable just like earlier this year. Trump needs to take a stronger position by going on TV and telling, not asking those there to go home. He also needs to come out and say there will be a peaceful smooth transition. I don’t see that happening. This is the United States. We need to do better.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I don't remember support for violence period --- maybe there was some by persons lacking emotional balance. But GEEZ, guys! This thing here in Washington is a DIRECT challenge to the foundations of our Democracy. Presidential transition for Gawdsakes. Are any people here really thinking that THIS is the equal to urban riots in Seattle? Don't people see ANY level of difference in the attempt to wreak terror precisely on the constitutional completion of our basic democratic process?! And NO: this is not just another happening in ones personal video game life. This is a deep highly viewed strike at our stability. Does anyone think that this will NOT inspire more high level strikes? At Biden? In Georgia? In DC again when Congress is in session? What in the gawddammhe!l is all this diversionary "whattabout" crap about?

... these sorts of responses make me more worried about our future ability to get ANY dialogue done productively on ANYTHING. Damm this is depressing.

Mike, look back over the past page or two. I believe all of us on the Right have clearly condemned today's actions. We don't agree with it, don't like it, and all believe it's bad for our nation. Unfortunately, when BLM, Antifa, and other Leftist groups were torching our cities, assaulting people, burning police stations, attacking courthouses, destroying monuments, and otherwise disrupting society and the functioning of our local and state governments, a LOT of people, even in here, had not a word of condemnation for it and some even tried to justify and rationalize it.

Is rioting in DC and attempting to disrupt Congressional proceedings worse than storming federal courthouses & city halls, rioting and looting, burning cities, terrorizing neighborhoods, burning police stations, and assaulting citizens? They're both assaults on civilization, peaceful government, and the workings of society.

 

[Huntr]

Is rioting in DC and attempting to disrupt Congressional proceedings worse than storming federal courthouses & city halls, rioting and looting, burning cities, terrorizing neighborhoods, burning police stations, and assaulting citizens?

By an order of FING magnitude.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

OMM you will never convince any of the both sides people of anything. The argument is circular pointless. They can’t see it because they choose not to or they minimize it by comparing it something less and claim it as similar.

You are right. This is a whole nother animal and it is sedition and insurrection and a woman died in the Senate building while Trump martyrs her and Vanky calls them patriots. The Confederates thought they were patriots too.

The last time the Capital was taken was by the British in 1812. Nothing like this has ever happened before and it’s not even close. This is a direct threat to our republic.

 

[notredomer23]

Is rioting in DC and attempting to disrupt Congressional proceedings worse than storming federal courthouses & city halls, rioting and looting, burning cities, terrorizing neighborhoods, burning police stations, and assaulting citizens? They're both assaults on civilization, peaceful government, and the workings of society.

Dude, they’re trying to stop the peaceful transition of power. This isn’t Mali or Uganda or Azerbaijan. None of what you said has a place in America, but this is at the top of the list.

 

[Rocket89]

I can’t believe people can’t see the difference between rioting and trying to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.

It’s so damn sad isn’t it?

 

[Redbar]

Maybe you're right, but my recollection is that most of us on the Right were appalled at how much effort many in here on the Left put into making excuses for it, justifying it, and NOT clearly condemning it. None of it, then or today, should've happened, but those who didn't condemn it from Antifa, BLM, and the rest of the Che Pep Club probably shouldn't be too surprised at today.

Are you implying that I am a socialist? Wtf is the Che Pep Club. For the record I am not shocked at all by today, this is how sociopath’s go out! Also you can kick rocks!

 

[Legacy]

All due respect, who exactly in here was supporting the Antifa stunts? From my recollection and off the top of my head, Myself/Lax/Cack/Redbar/Lion all condemned the violence.

I doubt anyone here supported or justified any lawless or criminal behavior which some attributed to BLM or Antifa and did not condemn the violence. What happened today at the Capital has no comparison in our history.

 

[Blazers46]

I doubt anyone here supported or justified any lawless or criminal behavior which some attributed to BLM or Antifa and did not condemn the violence. What happened today at the Capital has no comparison in our history.

What country did we fight in the civil war?

 

[Bishop2b5]

By an order of FING magnitude.

I respectfully disagree. They are different in details, but not in magnitude. Both are direct assaults on the operating of a peaceful society and its governance. Attacking the Congressional building is no more an assault on those things than attacking a courthouse or police station. Disrupting the peaceful transfer of power is no better or worse than disrupting the workings of our court system or law enforcement agencies to administer justice and protect the citizenry. Please don't try to justify one and condemn the other. That's a HUGE part of the problem here: too many are fine with leftist assaults on government and society, but clutch their pearls when it comes from the Right.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Twitter has suspended Trump

 

[Bishop2b5]

Are you implying that I am a socialist? Wtf is the Che Pep Club. For the record I am not shocked at all by today, this is how sociopath’s go out! Also you can kick rocks!

I have no idea if you're a socialist or not. I know that BLM and Antifa are both openly socialist. I'd have thought the Che Pep Club was self-explanatory, but apparently not. It's an umbrella term for radical, leftist, socialist, perpetually revolutionary, anti-capitalist groups.

 

[Wild Bill]

PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!!!

 

[Bluto]

What country did we fight in the civil war?

Kentucky apparently.

 

[Bishop2b5]

On a happier note, I flew into Chicago today and had dinner at Portillo's. Not bragging, but.. well, yeah, I'm bragging. Portillo's Italian Beef and Sausage is a life-changing experience!

 

[Sea Turtle]

What country did we fight in the civil war?

Also, 17,000 man veteran army and their families camped across the south lawn of the white house in 1932 demanding pay. They were fired upon by the US cavalry.

 

[Bluto]

When you cultivate an environment where this shit is allowed to happen for months, you can't be surprised when it turns around and bites you.

It's awful what happened today. But to be fair, it's been awful for 6 months now.

Or when you cultivate this for a couple decades. The John Birch Society, the Turner Diaries, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, the militia movement, Pizza gate, Q-Anon...there is a continuum there and it's not that hard to find.

 

[IrishLax]

I hate to see this happen and it's not the peaceful transfer of power we should have, but yeah, when half the country gave tacit approval to Antifa and BLM to let them storm police stations, courthouses, memorials and other public facilities, to their flaunting of any rules of law or civil protest, and turned a blind eye to the violence from leftist groups this past year, what do you expect? I'm amused, but certainly not shocked by a few in here who are so upset by today but didn't have a word of criticism when it was their side doing similar all summer. It shouldn't have happened in either case, but to clutch their pearls now is disingenuous and hypocritical.

You guys are totally full of shit and really toeing the line here. There have been riots throughout the history of the United States. They're wrong, destruction of property is wrong.

A riot like in LA or Seattle or whatever is not the same as traitors waving Confederate flags storming the US Capitol Building as part of an attempt to undo the results of an election. They literally displaced Congress and prevented them from certifying the results of our President. They closed down one of our branches of government and forced them into hiding. They planted a bomb at the RNC.

If you can't see why that is different from than ANTIFA causing property damage, or the LA race riots, or many other examples of activist property destruction then you're being willfully ignorant.

 

[IrishLax]

Twitter has suspended Trump

For 12 hours for tweeting support of the traitors who attempted a coup today.

 

[Blazers46]

Fuck Trump and his remaining supporters.
Anyone who brings up other BLM and looting riots and thinks this is the same... Can simply rot in hell.

So you are okay with people who are mad and have a problem with government to take their anger and rage out against the people but when another group has a problem with government and takes it out on government you have a problem with it?

I dont like either but at least they know who their enemy is.

 

[Legacy]

Trump with all his threats of retaliations against Republicans in office in future elections should take his supporters and start a party of his own. I don't see how a Republican Party as is composed survives this fracture.

 

[Blazers46]

Trump with all his threats of retaliations against Republicans in office in future elections should take his supporters and start a party of his own. I don't see how a Republican Party as is composed survives this fracture.

To be fair. Democrats control the government and if they accomplish what they want, there will not really be a Republican party anyway.

 

[GoIrish41]

I respectfully disagree. They are different in details, but not in magnitude. Both are direct assaults on the operating of a peaceful society and its governance. Attacking the Congressional building is no more an assault on those things than attacking a courthouse or police station. Disrupting the peaceful transfer of power is no better or worse than disrupting the workings of our court system or law enforcement agencies to administer justice and protect the citizenry. Please don't try to justify one and condemn the other. That's a HUGE part of the problem here: too many are fine with leftist assaults on government and society, but clutch their pearls when it comes from the Right.

Anyone have a set of hip waders I can borrow?

 

[Sea Turtle]

So you are okay with people who are mad and have a problem with government to take their anger and rage out against the people but when another group has a problem with government and takes it out on government you have a problem with it?

I dont like either but at least they know who their enemy is.

People are acting like these people took over the capitol, put up barricades and declared it an autonomous zone or something crazy like that.

 

[Greenore]

Praying for ALL my brother and sisters in the United States. Praying for ALL our leaders to show compassion, empathy and respect. No dog in this fight. Please be safe all.

 

[Bluto]

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/art...rnia-Senate-Shannon-Grove-Antifa-15851304.php

"California state Senate Minority Leader Shannon Grove of Bakersfield on Wednesday retweeted a popular pro-Trump conspiracy theorist who claimed antifa — and not supporters of President Donald Trump — were the ones responsible for the storming of the U.S. Capitol building."

Gotta love Kern County.

 

[Redbar]

You guys are totally full of shit and really toeing the line here. There have been riots throughout the history of the United States. They're wrong, destruction of property is wrong.

A riot like in LA or Seattle or whatever is not the same as traitors waving Confederate flags storming the US Capitol Building as part of an attempt to undo the results of an election. They literally displaced Congress and prevented them from certifying the results of our President. They closed down one of our branches of government and forced them into hiding. They planted a bomb at the RNC.

If you can't see why that is different from than ANTIFA causing property damage, or the LA race riots, or many other examples of activist property destruction then you're being willfully ignorant.

You need to go back and review Bishop’s defenses of the Confederate flag, apparently there is nothing racist or even seditious about it. It’s really just about a couple good ol boys, never meaning no harm.

 

[arahop]

Mike, look back over the past page or two. I believe all of us on the Right have clearly condemned today's actions. We don't agree with it, don't like it, and all believe it's bad for our nation. Unfortunately, when BLM, Antifa, and other Leftist groups were torching our cities, assaulting people, burning police stations, attacking courthouses, destroying monuments, and otherwise disrupting society and the functioning of our local and state governments, a LOT of people, even in here, had not a word of condemnation for it and some even tried to justify and rationalize it.

Is rioting in DC and attempting to disrupt Congressional proceedings worse than storming federal courthouses & city halls, rioting and looting, burning cities, terrorizing neighborhoods, burning police stations, and assaulting citizens? They're both assaults on civilization, peaceful government, and the workings of society.

This is anarchy, not a protest. You have too much right in you.

 

[GoIrish41]

You need to go back and review Bishop’s defenses of the Confederate flag, apparently there is nothing racist or even seditious about it. It’s really just about a couple good ol boys, never meaning no harm.

Lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You need to go back and review Bishop’s defenses of the Confederate flag, apparently there is nothing racist or even seditious about it. It’s really just about a couple good ol boys, never meaning no harm.

Lol. Yep. No harm no foul. They were just messin around.