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They don't want trouble? Seems they asked for it the minute the sign was posted. He also could have reached a larger audience by putting an ad in the papers expressing his displeasure with Trump being nominated.

A media ad costs $$$. If you look at the window, the 3, 8 x 11 signs appear to be color pencil on paper. Much cheaper. Look at the coverage he's getting Nationwide through bigotry.

He's also tapping the vein of vindictive, butt hurt losers looking to either gloat over their 2.8 million win, those lamenting the Comey betrayal, the Russian subversion of the vote, or just to have soup in their safe space with their coloring books.
 

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Remember that time a week or so ago in which Trump supporters lamented the fact that the racists among them were giving them a bad name and wished the media and general population would realize that those people don't represent most of them?

Not a week goes by where you guys aren't posted isolated incidents and painting all of liberalism with the broadest brush at your disposal.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

There are an infinite number of legal discriminations available to people. The question on that issue is whether or not someone's sexual preference should be added to the protected classes list like race, sex, age, disability, etc. A shop owner is still, get this, free to discriminate for any other reason they like.

It appears that if someones sexual preference is added to the protected classes, then voting preference should also be added. After all, voting is at the core of this democracy. While a shop owner can still discriminate over a persons sexual preference, there is a huge tidal wave of pressure brought upon them once their beliefs are known. Personally, I think they should be able to discriminate on sexual preference is they desire. Then those of us who do not agree have the right not to shop there and thus hurt their business. Pressuring people to change because their religeous beliefs do not jive with mine is not right.
 

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A media ad costs $$$. If you look at the window, the 3, 8 x 11 signs appear to be color pencil on paper. Much cheaper. Look at the coverage he's getting Nationwide through bigotry.

He's also tapping the vein of vindictive, butt hurt losers looking to either gloat over their 2.8 million win, those lamenting the Comey betrayal, the Russian subversion of the vote, or just to have soup in their safe space with their coloring books.

I get the $$$. My point is more along the lines of, if he's that hurt and convicted to making his feelings known spend the money on an ad with his business on it. It would generate even more national publicity.
 

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Remember that time a week or so ago in which Trump supporters lamented the fact that the racists among them were giving them a bad name and wished the media and general population would realize that those people don't represent most of them?

Not a week goes by where you guys aren't posted isolated incidents and painting all of liberalism with the broadest brush at your disposal.

There are an infinite number of legal discriminations available to people. The question on that issue is whether or not someone's sexual preference should be added to the protected classes list like race, sex, age, disability, etc. A shop owner is still, get this, free to discriminate for any other reason they like.


The problem is, that a ton of libs (not all) have gone full tilt. Especially the media... All the "not my president" crap, protests, the grief bullshit and safe place stuff at schools and other places, and this kind of stuff. People need to just STFU and deal with it. They will have a chance in 4 years to vote for yet another "change".

All of us that vote are disappointed at times, sometimes deeply. Until this year, most on both sides have sucked it up and muscled through. I have a lot of friends who voted for HRC. While disappointed, they didn't go full tilt. Most of them feel quite embarrassed by all the behavior and blame their party for the failure. That's where the blame should fall. Without question these were the worst two candidates in history. HRC just happened to be "worser".

Regarding small business. While I believe in tolerance of all, including LGBT folks, I believe in the right of business owners to do what they want (and let the market decide). Even in this case of Libs not wanting to serve conservatives.... Public held business however is different.

What will be interesting to see is when a Muslim owned business refuses service to the LGBT community. It does happen and I have never seen it reported. Wonder how differently it will be covered by CNN compared to the the evil Christian conservative cake makers. I am friends with a couple (two girls, one from Qatar), and they are far more fearful of the intolerance from the Muslim community that that of Christian conservatives.
 
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100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering

100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering

*All graphs in the link jump, did not take the time to post here*

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100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering | The Deplorable Climate Science Blog

Climate Central just ran this piece, which the Washington Post picked up on. They claimed the US was “overwhelmingly hot” in 2016, and temperatures have risen 1,5°F since the 19th century.



The U.S. Has Been Overwhelmingly Hot This Year | Climate Central

The first problem with their analysis is that the US had very little hot weather in 2016. The percentage of hot days was below average, and ranked 80th since 1895. Only 4.4% of days were over 95°F, compared with the long term average of 4.9%. Climate Central is conflating mild temperatures with hot ones.



They also claim US temperatures rose 1.5°F since the 19th century, which is what NOAA shows.



Climate at a Glance | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

The problem with the NOAA graph is that it is fake data. NOAA creates the warming trend by altering the data. The NOAA raw data shows no warming over the past century



The adjustments being made are almost exactly 1.5°F, which is the claimed warming in the article.



The adjustments correlate almost perfectly with atmospheric CO2. NOAA is adjusting the data to match global warming theory. This is known as PBEM (Policy Based Evidence Making.)



The hockey stick of adjustments since 1970 is due almost entirely to NOAA fabricating missing station data. In 2016, more than 42% of their monthly station data was missing, so they simply made it up. This is easy to identify because they mark fabricated temperatures with an “E” in their database.



When presented with my claims of fraud, NOAA typically tries to arm wave it away with these two complaints.

They use gridded data and I am using un-gridded data.
They “have to” adjust the data because of Time Of Observation Bias and station moves.
Both claims are easily debunked. The only effect that gridding has is to lower temperatures slightly. The trend of gridded data is almost identical to the trend of un-gridded data.



Time of Observation Bias (TOBS) is a real problem, but is very small. TOBS is based on the idea that if you reset a min/max thermometer too close to the afternoon maximum, you will double count warm temperatures (and vice-versa if thermometer is reset in the morning.) Their claim is that during the hot 1930’s most stations reset their thermometers in the afternoon.

This is easy to test by using only the stations which did not reset their thermometers in the afternoon during the 1930’s. The pattern is almost identical to that of all stations. No warming over the past century. Note that the graph below tends to show too much warming due to morning TOBS.



NOAA’s own documents show that the TOBS adjustment is small (0.3°F) and goes flat after 1990.



https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/ushcn/ts.ushcn_anom25_diffs_pg.gif

Gavin Schmidt at NASA explains very clearly why the US temperature record does not need to be adjusted.

You could throw out 50 percent of the station data or more, and you’d get basically the same answers.

One recent innovation is the set up of a climate reference network alongside the current stations so that they can look for potentially serious issues at the large scale – and they haven’t found any yet.



NASA – NASA Climatologist Gavin Schmidt Discusses the Surface Temperature Record

NOAA has always known that the US is not warming.



U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend – NYTimes.com

All of the claims in the Climate Central article are bogus. The US is not warming and 2016 was not a hot year in the US. It was a very mild year.
 

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It's promising that NASA reported earlier this year that the ozone hole in the Antarctic has begun to heal, and they expect it to return to pre-1980 levels by the mid century. Given that we've seen reversals like this now due to policy changes like the Montreal Protocol, I wouldn't expect so much doom and gloom from the Climate Change crowd. Sure, there's plenty we can still do to protect the planet, but obviously we've already taken some important steps in healing the planet. It's hard to buy into some of this when Climate Changers point to the record mild winter earlier this year which was a result of El Nino, yet disregard the incredibly frigid winter experienced by the Midwest as a result of that same weather pattern.
 

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It's promising that NASA reported earlier this year that the ozone hole in the Antarctic has begun to heal, and they expect it to return to pre-1980 levels by the mid century. Given that we've seen reversals like this now due to policy changes like the Montreal Protocol, I wouldn't expect so much doom and gloom from the Climate Change crowd. Sure, there's plenty we can still do to protect the planet, but obviously we've already taken some important steps in healing the planet. It's hard to buy into some of this when Climate Changers point to the record mild winter earlier this year which was a result of El Nino, yet disregard the incredibly frigid winter experienced by the Midwest as a result of that same weather pattern.

This is what so many don't want to consider. We (man) had virtually zero impact on the ice age, yet it gets brushed off as an anomaly. Said it before and will say it again. Mother Nature is pretty resilient. She's been doing her thing for a long long time. Are we effecting climate change? I think we are, but not to the extent many believe. I'm all for taking steps to reduce emissions, but I don't believe it will have a major impact on the climate.
 

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Yeah that's good old Tony Heller/Stephen Goddard for ya. He's one of the loudest Climate Change deniers.

There's his view on the matter, and then the 98% of scientists who disagree with him. I'm banking on the 98% having the right answer and that climate change is very real and very serious.

What does that have to do with his claim that they tampered with data? If true, wouldn't the 98% who believe in climate change be just as interested as those who do not? It's hard to persuade the undecided and influence policy if the masses cannot trust the "studies" and "data".
 

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Question: What do you guys (on all sides) think of the actions of President Obama over these last couple of week as he is leaving office and DJT is coming in. I am referring to everything from the record setting pardons/commuting of sentences, to UN/Israel, to the new "memorials", to the blocking of drilling rights, to the Russian sanctions and ousters?

I voted for DJT but more for the fact that I preferred him to HRC, not because I truly believe in him (see previous posts where I refer to him as the giant douche to HRC's sh!t sandwich). I don't think I really agree with the sheer numbers of pardons as he seems to be attacking it as a class of crime versus a merits of the case kind of thing that I believe the power was really meant for. On Israel, I do not necessarily agree to all they do, but they are an actual functioning democratic government in the Middle East and have been our ally and I don't think this administration has treated them very well much of the time. In the little I have read on the new "memorials", it doesn't seem like many were wanting this at all even on local levels, so it doesn't seem like a good idea, but I need to read more on it.

Basically, I think the current administration is acting poorly and either trying to create/add to a questionable legacy by fiat and I wonder if he will be as quiet as the other former Presidents have been about the people that come after.
 

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Question: What do you guys (on all sides) think of the actions of President Obama over these last couple of week as he is leaving office and DJT is coming in. I am referring to everything from the record setting pardons/commuting of sentences

I think about the same as you. I'm not a fan of doing it by class of crime instead of likelihood of the person having learned a lesson and/or being scared straight.

UN/Israel

I think this has been much ado about nothing. The US doesn't agree with Israel's settlements, but they understand why the Israelis have them. So they simply abstain. In other words, "We don't agree with the settlements, but we aren't going to condemn them" combined with, "You are our friend, Israel, but we aren't blindly loyal....... if you are wrong, you are wrong."

to the new "memorials"

Who cares?

to the blocking of drilling rights

I'm still not sure that there isn't a way for Trump to use Executive Order to reverse this. I don't know enough about the topic to really care one way or the other.

to the Russian sanctions and ousters

I liked it. Fuck the Russians. But I was surprised to find out that one of the guys was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list. Why the hell wasn't he expelled earlier, if he was one of the 10 Most Wanted people in America? You might not be able to arrest him, based on his diplomatic status, but you could sure as hell expel him.
 

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Question: What do you guys (on all sides) think of the actions of President Obama over these last couple of week as he is leaving office and DJT is coming in. I am referring to everything from the record setting pardons/commuting of sentences, to UN/Israel, to the new "memorials", to the blocking of drilling rights, to the Russian sanctions and ousters?

I voted for DJT but more for the fact that I preferred him to HRC, not because I truly believe in him (see previous posts where I refer to him as the giant douche to HRC's sh!t sandwich). I don't think I really agree with the sheer numbers of pardons as he seems to be attacking it as a class of crime versus a merits of the case kind of thing that I believe the power was really meant for. On Israel, I do not necessarily agree to all they do, but they are an actual functioning democratic government in the Middle East and have been our ally and I don't think this administration has treated them very well much of the time. In the little I have read on the new "memorials", it doesn't seem like many were wanting this at all even on local levels, so it doesn't seem like a good idea, but I need to read more on it.

Basically, I think the current administration is acting poorly and either trying to create/add to a questionable legacy by fiat and I wonder if he will be as quiet as the other former Presidents have been about the people that come after.

I don't mind the pardons and commutations for non-violent or borderline stuff... I do mind if he does shit like the Clintons (pardoned for $$ in the case of Braswell, Rich, Gregory, or McDougal who refused to testify against HRC, as well as Roger Clinton who is yes, his brother, and some other sketchy individuals). That crap alone is reason enough to not like or trust the Clintons.

The other stuff bothers me as I strongly believe presidents should take actions during the hearts of their term, not at that end when it can't effect them or there is no repercussions. Why couldn't he have issued the environmental orders years ago if he believed it was the right thing to do. Why did he wait till the last month to play hard ball with Israel and Russia? It's just chicken shit behavior trying to do stuff with zero fall out to his administration, and/or stuff targeted to garner him good will in certain circles that will benefit him or others post presidency.

The timing on Environmental stuff, Russia and Israel was pretty much just fuck with DJT IMO. Vagina politics.
 

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Question: What do you guys (on all sides) think of the actions of President Obama over these last couple of week as he is leaving office and DJT is coming in. I am referring to everything from the record setting pardons/commuting of sentences, to UN/Israel, to the new "memorials", to the blocking of drilling rights, to the Russian sanctions and ousters?

I voted for DJT but more for the fact that I preferred him to HRC, not because I truly believe in him (see previous posts where I refer to him as the giant douche to HRC's sh!t sandwich). I don't think I really agree with the sheer numbers of pardons as he seems to be attacking it as a class of crime versus a merits of the case kind of thing that I believe the power was really meant for. On Israel, I do not necessarily agree to all they do, but they are an actual functioning democratic government in the Middle East and have been our ally and I don't think this administration has treated them very well much of the time. In the little I have read on the new "memorials", it doesn't seem like many were wanting this at all even on local levels, so it doesn't seem like a good idea, but I need to read more on it.

Basically, I think the current administration is acting poorly and either trying to create/add to a questionable legacy by fiat and I wonder if he will be as quiet as the other former Presidents have been about the people that come after.

Very disappointed in Obama for all this. He said shortly after the election that GWB had set the standard for how to facilitate the transition and couldn't have been more helpful and gracious to him, and that he wanted to be equally gracious & helpful to Trump. He's been anything but. Many of his recent actions have been designed to tie Trump's hands or paint him into a corner. Some of his comments of late have been childish and vain. This is not the behavior we've seen from most outgoing presidents and is petty and counter-productive.
 

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Having worked on several clemency requests I can guarantee you that these aren't unexamined. There's a rigorous review process that really tries to identify people who would not have received such long sentences today and who have shown personal improvement/good behavior in prison and who take responsibility for their actions. At one point, the administration was hoping to pardon closer to 10,000 people so I'm actually kind of disappointed that he hasn't done more.
 

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Very disappointed in Obama for all this. He said shortly after the election that GWB had set the standard for how to facilitate the transition and couldn't have been more helpful and gracious to him, and that he wanted to be equally gracious & helpful to Trump. He's been anything but. Many of his recent actions have been designed to tie Trump's hands or paint him into a corner. Some of his comments of late have been childish and vain. This is not the behavior we've seen from most outgoing presidents and is petty and counter-productive.

For someone who tries to portray himself as the adult in the room all the time, he's been a child when he doesn't get his way.
 

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Having worked on several clemency requests I can guarantee you that these aren't unexamined. There's a rigorous review process that really tries to identify people who would not have received such long sentences today and who have shown personal improvement/good behavior in prison and who take responsibility for their actions. At one point, the administration was hoping to pardon closer to 10,000 people so I'm actually kind of disappointed that he hasn't done more.

Did the Clintons use the same rigorous process when they pardoned and commuted for dollars, favors, and family??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

Maybe Obama is doing it the right way, but please don't suggest there's always a rigorous process. Sometimes it's just corrupt behavior.
 

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Did the Clintons use the same rigorous process when they pardoned and commuted for dollars, favors, and family??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

Maybe Obama is doing it the right way, but please don't suggest there's always a rigorous process. Sometimes it's just corrupt behavior.

Without getting into the merits of the critiques of Bill Clinton's pardons, Obama is doing something very different with his pardon power.

This is the organization I worked with: https://www.clemencyproject2014.org/

These are the criteria they screened for before passing any clemency requests to the DOJ (based on the DOJ's criteria)

According to the criteria released by the Justice Department, prisoners must be:

currently serving a federal sentence in prison and, by operation of law, likely would have received a substantially lower sentence if convicted of the same offense(s) today;
have a non-violent, low-level offenders without significant ties to large-scale criminal organizations, gangs, or cartels;
have served at least 10 years of their sentence;
have no significant criminal history;
have demonstrated good conduct in prison; and
have no history of violence prior to or during their current term of imprisonment.

CP 2014 isn't responsible for 100% of the pardons Obama's given, but they have handled a lot. There are 4 or 5 layers of review before the president ever makes a decision on these.

e. I would also add that they look for people who have taken responsibility for their conduct and who have a viable post-release plan for reintegrating into society.
 
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Without getting into the merits of the critiques of Bill Clinton's pardons, Obama is doing something very different with his pardon power.

This is the organization I worked with: https://www.clemencyproject2014.org/

These are the criteria they screened for before passing any clemency requests to the DOJ (based on the DOJ's criteria)



CP 2014 isn't responsible for 100% of the pardons Obama's given, but they have handled a lot. There are 4 or 5 layers of review before the president ever makes a decision on these.

e. I would also add that they look for people who have taken responsibility for their conduct and who have a viable post-release plan for reintegrating into society.

Sounds like some very good work (CP and you). reps
I hope Obama takes the high road.
 
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"It could be somebody else. And I also know things that other people don't know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation,"

Nothing says Trump isn't close to Russian contacts quite like "I also know things that other people don't know..."

Regardless, get ready for a full term of Trump hiding behind "don't worry the classified information proves I'm right..." every time he fucks up on the international stage. Coming from a guy who couldn't be bothered to attend most of his security briefings too.
 

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Nothing says Trump isn't close to Russian contacts quite like "I also know things that other people don't know..."

Regardless, get ready for a full term of Trump hiding behind "don't worry the classified information proves I'm right..." every time he fucks up on the international stage. Coming from a guy who couldn't be bothered to attend most of his security briefings too.

classified... lol.. that's what we're all handed from the gov....
i haven't bought that shit since i was a young teen.

time will tell on the security briefings.
 

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"It is over." Joe Biden

"It is over." Joe Biden

Trump Electoral college win certified despite Democratic objections - CNNPolitics.com
By Theodore Schleifer, Deirdre Walsh and Ted Barrett, CNN
Updated 3:36 PM ET, Fri January 6, 2017

Donald Trump was formally certified as the winner of the presidential election Friday, after handful of congressman tried to object during the tally of Electoral College votes, a desperate gambit quickly squashed by Vice President Joe Biden.

Vice President Joe Biden repeatedly told objecting congressman that their attempt to disrupt the usually staid moment that their objections were invalid because they did not have the signature of a United States senator. Biden, at times exasperated by the scene, at one point cautioned his fellow Democrats: "It is over."
"There is no debate. There is no debate. There is no debate," Biden repeated to Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, one of the frequent objectors in the Capitol.


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Trump received 304 electoral votes when electors gathered at state capitols in December to formally cast their ballots. Hillary Clinton received 227. Seven "faithless" electors voted for other candidates, costing Trump two votes and Clinton four.
Trump will be officially sworn in January 20.
 

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They released the intelligence report claiming a direct involvement of Putin. Had this gem too.

"Moscow's influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations -- such as cyberactivity -- with overt efforts by Russian government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries and paid social media users or 'trolls,' " the report found.

Now we know why NorthDakota is here...
Intel report: Putin directly ordered effort to influence election - CNNPolitics.com
 

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Apparently ND holds its football players to a higher standard than the president elect does his cabinet picks...

Trump pick Monica Crowley plagiarized multiple sources in 2012 book - CNNMoney



ND does hold its students to a higher standard than the president elect does, or the sitting President, sitting Vice President, MA Senator Warren, PA Gov Wolf, etc, etc. or is just expected that democrats do this, so much, that it's ok ... as long as it's a democrat?



7 Democrats Who Were Caught For Plagiarism, Including Obama And Biden | Daily Wire
 
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