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I don't know if it's made up or not but nothing in that link does more than assert that it was reddit fanfic. Is there a link to somebody posting it that pre-dates the buzzfeed release?

e. basically: https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/106532965#q106535960

Don't know if it's fan fiction or not, but seeing lots of references that other outlets have had this for months and unable to verify (including David Corn at Mother Jones). They did not publish even during the heat of the election. Buzzfeed publishes whole thing and Ben tweets out a memo that says they have been chasing it for weeks and cannot verify but feels they should run with because journalism...which is weird because that is the reason others didn't take it to print, even left of center outlets.
 

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So the trolls at 4chan took a break from jerking off to anime porn to troll the msm and the CIA bought it too? Sounds about right.

The CIA isn't saying he like to watch girls pee on eachother. What they are saying is that the Russians were in contact with his camp during the campaign and that the Russians chose to only leak Clinton info in efforts to sway public perception and get their preferred candidate in office. Which apparently they succeeded at.

If the story about pee hookers is fake, which I presume it is, it's really ingenious PR by Trump supporters. Essentially they want to put out a completely ridiculous story, claim it's fake news and use that as a slight of hand to make the actual fucq'd up shit seem fake too or at least not that bad.
 

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Also odd how President Obama 's farewell address gets over shadowed...rained on his parade?
 

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This Trump-Russia thing is a great study in hypocrisy. There are a BUNCH of people who are standing behind this intel report that Russia interfered on Trump's behalf, who are the same people that were skewering the ineptitude and/or corruptness of the intelligence agencies who got WMDs in Iraq wrong.


It's amazing how much smarter, and less fallible, people become when they espouse a view that benefits us....

Yeah, well it's also hypocritical of the party that for decades blasted Russia as our biggest foe, told us they were our biggest foreign threat (Romney ''12) and did everything to block their global interests now telling us that anyone that thinks we shouldn't be friends is "stupid" (Trump's actual words).

My thought is this. Regardless of political viewpoint, people should view Russia as the entity they have always and will always be... a villain and a country that wants to see America fail. What we are seeing now is a bunch of people trying to justify walking right into their gameplan. It's sad really.
 

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The mainstream media, US politics, and both parties are a frigging joke. They are predictable and their successes really show the ignorance of the American public. Makes me embarrassed at times. I need to move back out of the country and readjust.
 
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This Trump-Russia thing is a great study in hypocrisy. There are a BUNCH of people who are standing behind this intel report that Russia interfered on Trump's behalf, who are the same people that were skewering the ineptitude and/or corruptness of the intelligence agencies who got WMDs in Iraq wrong.


It's amazing how much smarter, and less fallible, people become when they espouse a view that benefits us....

Give me a break.

In 2003 the Bush administration, mainly Rumsfeld/Cheney/Wolfowitz, overpowered the Pentagon and intelligence community. They misrepresented the intelligence, and used 9/11 and the war on terrorism to silence anyone in the ranks or media who would oppose them.

The Europeans, for the most part, disagreed with the Bush administration's position on Iraq and its intelligence exaggeration.

Colin Powell and others in the freaking cabinet were against the war and didn't trust Rumsfeld. He didn't agree to go in front of the UN with his infamous anthrax vile until he was outright lied to by Tenet.

Hell the previous head of CENTCOM prior to the war, General Anthony Zinni, was very against the war and was one of many in the military community who wondered what in the hell Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz were doing. Zinni knew, like many in opposition, that we didn't know what capabilities Iraq had because our strikes in 1998 hammered Iraq so hard that they besides STFU afterward. We would find out in 2003 that those attacks nearly toppled Saddam and he had no active WMD program....just like many thought.

The only comparison there is here is that Republicans are now 0/2 on Presidential choices this century.
 
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The CIA isn't saying he like to watch girls pee on eachother. What they are saying is that the Russians were in contact with his camp during the campaign and that the Russians chose to only leak Clinton info in efforts to sway public perception and get their preferred candidate in office. Which apparently they succeeded at.

If the story about pee hookers is fake, which I presume it is, it's really ingenious PR by Trump supporters. Essentially they want to put out a completely ridiculous story, claim it's fake news and use that as a slight of hand to make the actual fucq'd up shit seem fake too or at least not that bad.

And if it's from 4chan or Reddit specifically, there's a decent chance is a Russian operative. We know they were paying people to post on social media websites throughout the campaign. Iirc, Clinton's team was doing it too. Just modern politics these days.
 

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Yeah, well it's also hypocritical of the party that for decades blasted Russia as our biggest foe, told us they were our biggest foreign threat (Romney ''12) and did everything to block their global interests now telling us that anyone that thinks we shouldn't be friends is "stupid" (Trump's actual words).

My thought is this. Regardless of political viewpoint, people should view Russia as the entity they have always and will always be... a villain and a country that wants to see America fail. What we are seeing now is a bunch of people trying to justify walking right into their gameplan. It's sad really.

Dude, Russia has been and continues to be our biggest foe nation. Romney was right.
 
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Yeah, well it's also hypocritical of the party that for decades blasted Russia as our biggest foe, told us they were our biggest foreign threat (Romney ''12) and did everything to block their global interests now telling us that anyone that thinks we shouldn't be friends is "stupid" (Trump's actual words).

My thought is this. Regardless of political viewpoint, people should view Russia as the entity they have always and will always be... a villain and a country that wants to see America fail. What we are seeing now is a bunch of people trying to justify walking right into their gameplan. It's sad really.

Yuup.

The President of the United States is basically a Russian agent. And it's up to the Republican Congress to not cave in and undo the Russian sanctions. If anything they should stiffen them as punishment.
 

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Yeah, well it's also hypocritical of the party that for decades blasted Russia as our biggest foe, told us they were our biggest foreign threat (Romney ''12) and did everything to block their global interests now telling us that anyone that thinks we shouldn't be friends is "stupid" (Trump's actual words).

My thought is this. Regardless of political viewpoint, people should view Russia as the entity they have always and will always be... a villain and a country that wants to see America fail. What we are seeing now is a bunch of people trying to justify walking right into their gameplan. It's sad really.


Back in the 70's, there was some gallows humor among young aspiring diplomats:

Optimists study Russian. Pessimists study Chinese.

Four decades later the optimists still study Russian.
 
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Dude, Russia has been and continues to be our biggest foe nation. Romney was right.

My take:

This is not the Cold War. Russia is not an enemy, nor are they powerful enough to warrant an American strategy of opposing them everywhere and at great costs. Those days are behind us, and it's not crazy to say that needlessly provoking Russia isn't worth it anymore.

At this point Russia is Mexico with a stockpile of ICBMs. They are a petrostate with no innovation or technologies that peaceful, developed nations want to buy. And demographics guarantee that this will not change through the next generation.

Russia's moves in the Crimea were self-defeating, even though the GOP didn't want to admit that because they were in full-blown opposition mode.

Are they a bigger foe than Iran? That's tough to say. Are they a bigger long term concern than China? No way. But Russia's oligarchs have shown no willingness to capitulate to an American-led global order that has created the most peaceful and prosperous period in human history, and so yeah they are a foe in that they are among the last holdouts and are actively trying to divide the West. Because they know they cannot succeed against a West that has any sort of unity. With an economy the size of Mexico, how could they?

Trump is Putin's wet dream but that doesn't make Russia a geopolitical enemy in 2012 or today.
 
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The CIA isn't saying he like to watch girls pee on eachother. What they are saying is that the Russians were in contact with his camp during the campaign and that the Russians chose to only leak Clinton info in efforts to sway public perception and get their preferred candidate in office. Which apparently they succeeded at.

If the story about pee hookers is fake, which I presume it is, it's really ingenious PR by Trump supporters. Essentially they want to put out a completely ridiculous story, claim it's fake news and use that as a slight of hand to make the actual fucq'd up shit seem fake too or at least not that bad.

This is actually hard to follow but from what I can tell the intelligence agencies are allegedly connected to the story as well - anonymous 4chan shitposter feeds false information to low life Rick Wilson. Rick Wilson takes the info to Evan McMullin. McMullin gives the info to John McCain. McCain gives the info to intelligence agencies. The info is leaked to msm in the process and buzzfeed has no self control and publishes without knowing if true. The others in the msm follow suit.

Who the hell knows if any of this is true. Like I said, it's hard to follow.

Maybe a genius move by a troll or maybe it backfires and Trump is always remembered for his love of piss jobs.

And if it's from 4chan or Reddit specifically, there's a decent chance is a Russian operative. We know they were paying people to post on social media websites throughout the campaign. Iirc, Clinton's team was doing it too. Just modern politics these days.

Trump should establish a charitable foundation to eliminate subversion through online shitposting. The Russians would be able to subvert with integrity through generous donations like the Saudis did with the Clinton Foundation.
 
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Trump should establish a charitable foundation to eliminate subversion through online shitposting. The Russians would be able to subvert with integrity through generous donations like the Saudis did with the Clinton Foundation.

You're aware that it is Trump and not the Clintons who has been busted with a charity taking donations and using it as a slush fund, right?

You're also aware the election was two months ago, that the Clintons are probably politically dead forever, and it's all about Trump and his presidency now, right?
 

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Dude, Russia has been and continues to be our biggest foe nation. Romney was right.

I totally agree. I agreed when Romney said it. That's why it's so disconcerting to me that our president-elect was in cahoots with them through the campaign, has questionable business ties with them and clearly wants to work with them moving forward. They are not our friend and never will be. So in my opinion, he is either very naive or his intent is worse.
 

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Don't know if it's fan fiction or not, but seeing lots of references that other outlets have had this for months and unable to verify (including David Corn at Mother Jones). They did not publish even during the heat of the election. Buzzfeed publishes whole thing and Ben tweets out a memo that says they have been chasing it for weeks and cannot verify but feels they should run with because journalism...which is weird because that is the reason others didn't take it to print, even left of center outlets.

I heard the same thing. No one took any stock in it. It appears buzzfeed is looking for some boost in ratings/subscribers?
 

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Give me a break.

In 2003 the Bush administration, mainly Rumsfeld/Cheney/Wolfowitz, overpowered the Pentagon and intelligence community. They misrepresented the intelligence, and used 9/11 and the war on terrorism to silence anyone in the ranks or media who would oppose them.

The Europeans, for the most part, disagreed with the Bush administration's position on Iraq and its intelligence exaggeration.

Colin Powell and others in the freaking cabinet were against the war and didn't trust Rumsfeld. He didn't agree to go in front of the UN with his infamous anthrax vile until he was outright lied to by Tenet.

Hell the previous head of CENTCOM prior to the war, General Anthony Zinni, was very against the war and was one of many in the military community who wondered what in the hell Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz were doing. Zinni knew, like many in opposition, that we didn't know what capabilities Iraq had because our strikes in 1998 hammered Iraq so hard that they besides STFU afterward. We would find out in 2003 that those attacks nearly toppled Saddam and he had no active WMD program....just like many thought.

The only comparison there is here is that Republicans are now 0/2 on Presidential choices this century.

While I agree with the WMD scenario, it's a little too early to write Trump off as a failure.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump">@realDonaldTrump</a> You hired an antisemitic chief strategist and are supported by an army of neo-Nazi trolls, so, yeah, the vibe is very 1934</p>— Lauren Duca (@laurenduca) <a href="https://twitter.com/laurenduca/status/819173670023233537">January 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Give me a break.

In 2003 the Bush administration, mainly Rumsfeld/Cheney/Wolfowitz, overpowered the Pentagon and intelligence community. They misrepresented the intelligence, and used 9/11 and the war on terrorism to silence anyone in the ranks or media who would oppose them.

The Europeans, for the most part, disagreed with the Bush administration's position on Iraq and its intelligence exaggeration.

Colin Powell and others in the freaking cabinet were against the war and didn't trust Rumsfeld. He didn't agree to go in front of the UN with his infamous anthrax vile until he was outright lied to by Tenet.

Hell the previous head of CENTCOM prior to the war, General Anthony Zinni, was very against the war and was one of many in the military community who wondered what in the hell Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz were doing. Zinni knew, like many in opposition, that we didn't know what capabilities Iraq had because our strikes in 1998 hammered Iraq so hard that they besides STFU afterward. We would find out in 2003 that those attacks nearly toppled Saddam and he had no active WMD program....just like many thought.

The only comparison there is here is that Republicans are now 0/2 on Presidential choices this century.

I worked for this guy; he is the real deal. For example, before I knew him he served as a command officer in Viet Nam. Viet Nam was divided into five regions, or zones, from I Corps in the highlands adjacent to the DMZ to the delta IV Corps. Tony served with distinction in each of them, including the capital zone.

The guy worked hard, did the job, never asked anyone do do anything he wasn't willing to do, was loyal, honest, and rock-solid dependable. He was also one of the smartest guys I ever met.

He was so good, there came a time (after he completed his active military as Centcom Commander) that he needed to get kicked aside for the scumb bags to be able to continue to run their games.

He saw through W's cronies right away and wouldn't put up with their lies and bull shit, but of equal note, Obama's folks wouldn't bring him on board. The simple truth is they were afraid of him. Had they brought him in, history would be different. First of all, Hillary wouldn't have been the Democratic candidate, someone like Biden would have.

And their would have been no fodder for the Russian/Republican operatives to attack Obama's foreign policy. For me, this isn't even debate worthy. (I won't.)

What is interesting is that if you really listen to guys like Zinni, you see the lessons that can be drawn from Bushes debacle in Iraq. There are parallels between the past Iraq, and current Russian situation. This included Iran, and China, for that matter.

In the day, when I was involved in some things, there were satellite photos of fields, plains, steppes, whatever, Russian tanks that rolled off the assembly line that were parked, one after another, row by row, and these rows went on for miles. But when you looked closely at these tanks, they rarely had guns, some of them either didn't have treads or had treads that had fallen off. Few if any of them were operable! And they were already starting to rust. This was the enemy that powered cold war fear and hatred!

The point is, most we see get caught up in lies. Zinni never did. If you were going to go to war, bring the whole damned country! Bring 'em hard and fast. And get the job done. The real job. Know what the job is before you start. Do it right.

In my opinion no administration since probably Eisenhower or Truman could operate that way.

And I am not seeing a whole lot to indicate that will change any time soon. People are promoting fake news right and left, and lapping it up like hogs at the trough!

One thing I know though Buster. I heard Zinni say it, and it was in the first couple of pages of a book he wrote at the time; Zinni knew we bombed Iraq back to the stone age as far as sophisticated weapons go, because, as he said, "I pushed the button."

Zinni referred to strikes he petitioned the Clinton Administration to make, and was granted permission to perform. They had intelligence defining the target going in, and they had accurate damage assessments going out. He knew Iraq's programs were done.

So did Sadam. That is why he never imagined what would be coming! But that is a different part of the story. Here is more on Zinni. I think it is enough to confirm he was one of the few that knew his ass from a hole in the ground.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump">@realDonaldTrump</a> You hired an antisemitic chief strategist and are supported by an army of neo-Nazi trolls, so, yeah, the vibe is very 1934</p>— Lauren Duca (@laurenduca) <a href="https://twitter.com/laurenduca/status/819173670023233537">January 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Ya know...you keep seeing this from people all over the web, and yet the Israeli PM seems to be looking forward to working with him and saying goodbye to the present administration.
 
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Actually, the most interesting point for me, which is factually based is that Donald Trump will be in violation of the Constitution the minute he is sworn in.

Emoluments Clause
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 8
Teacher's Companion Lesson (PDF)

Article VI of the Articles of Confederation was the source of the Constitution's prohibition on federal titles of nobility and the so-called Emoluments Clause. The clause sought to shield the republican character of the United States against corrupting foreign influences.


The prohibition on federal titles of nobility—reinforced by the corresponding prohibition on state titles of nobility in Article I, Section 10, and more generally by the republican Guarantee Clause in Article IV, Section 4—was designed to underpin the republican character of the American government. In the ample sense James Madison gave the term in The Federalist No. 39, a republic was "a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during good behavior."

Republicanism so understood was the ground of the constitutional edifice. The prohibition on titles of nobility buttressed the structure by precluding the possibility of an aristocracy, whether hereditary or personal, whose members would inevitably assert a right to occupy the leading positions in the state.

Further, the prohibition on titles complemented the prohibition in Article III, Section 3, on the "Corruption of Blood" worked by "Attainder of Treason" (i.e., the prohibition on creating a disability in the posterity of an attained person upon claiming an inheritance as his heir, or as heir to his ancestor). Together these prohibitions ruled out the creation of certain caste-specific legal privileges or disabilities arising solely from the accident of birth.

In addition to upholding republicanism in a political sense, the prohibition on titles also pointed to a durable American social ideal. This is the ideal of equality; it is what David Ramsey, the eighteenth-century historian of the American Revolution, called the "life and soul" of republicanism. The particular conception of equality denied a place in American life for hereditary distinctions of caste—slavery being the most glaring exception. At the same time, however, it also allowed free play for the "diversity in the faculties of men," the protection of which, as Madison insisted in The Federalist No. 10, was "the first object of government." The republican system established by the Founders, in other words, envisaged a society in which distinctions flowed from the unequal uses that its members made of equal opportunities: a society led by a natural aristocracy based on talent, virtue, and accomplishment, not by an hereditary aristocracy based on birth. "Capacity, Spirit and Zeal in the Cause," as John Adams said, would "supply the Place of Fortune, Family, and every other Consideration, which used to have Weight with Mankind." Or as the Jeffersonian St. George Tucker put it in 1803: "A Franklin, or a Washington, need not the pageantry of honours, the glare of titles, nor the pre-eminence of station to distinguish them....Equality of rights...precludes not that distinction which superiority of virtue introduces among the citizens of a republic."

Similarly, the Framers intended the Emoluments Clause to protect the republican character of American political institutions. "One of the weak sides of republics, among their numerous advantages, is that they afford too easy an inlet to foreign corruption." The Federalist No. 22 (Alexander Hamilton). The delegates at the Constitutional Convention specifically designed the clause as an antidote to potentially corrupting foreign practices of a kind that the Framers had observed during the period of the Confederation. Louis XVI had the custom of presenting expensive gifts to departing ministers who had signed treaties with France, including American diplomats. In 1780, the King gave Arthur Lee a portrait of the King set in diamonds above a gold snuff box; and in 1785, he gave Benjamin Franklin a similar miniature portrait, also set in diamonds. Likewise, the King of Spain presented John Jay (during negotiations with Spain) with the gift of a horse. All these gifts were reported to Congress, which in each case accorded permission to the recipients to accept them. Wary, however, of the possibility that such gestures might unduly influence American officials in their dealings with foreign states, the Framers institutionalized the practice of requiring the consent of Congress before one could accept "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from...[a] foreign State."

Like several other provisions of the Constitution, the Emoluments Clause also embodies the memory of the epochal constitutional struggles in seventeenth-century Britain between the forces of Parliament and the Stuart dynasty. St. George Tucker's explanation of the clause noted that "in the reign of Charles the econd of England, that prince, and almost all his officers of state were either actual pensioners of the court of France, or supposed to be under its influence, directly, or indirectly, from that cause. The reign of that monarch has been, accordingly, proverbially disgraceful to his memory." As these remarks imply, the clause was directed not merely at American diplomats serving abroad, but more generally at officials throughout the federal government.

The Emoluments Clause has apparently never been litigated, but it has been interpreted and enforced through a long series of opinions of the Attorneys General and by less-frequent opinions of the Comptrollers General. Congress has also exercised its power of "Consent" under the clause by enacting the Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act, which authorizes federal employees to accept foreign governmental benefits of various kinds in specific circumstances.


Robert J. Delahunty
Associate Professor of Law
University of St. Thomas School of Law
 

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Give me a break.

In 2003 the Bush administration, mainly Rumsfeld/Cheney/Wolfowitz, overpowered the Pentagon and intelligence community. They misrepresented the intelligence, and used 9/11 and the war on terrorism to silence anyone in the ranks or media who would oppose them.

The Europeans, for the most part, disagreed with the Bush administration's position on Iraq and its intelligence exaggeration.

Colin Powell and others in the freaking cabinet were against the war and didn't trust Rumsfeld. He didn't agree to go in front of the UN with his infamous anthrax vile until he was outright lied to by Tenet.

Hell the previous head of CENTCOM prior to the war, General Anthony Zinni, was very against the war and was one of many in the military community who wondered what in the hell Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz were doing. Zinni knew, like many in opposition, that we didn't know what capabilities Iraq had because our strikes in 1998 hammered Iraq so hard that they besides STFU afterward. We would find out in 2003 that those attacks nearly toppled Saddam and he had no active WMD program....just like many thought.

The only comparison there is here is that Republicans are now 0/2 on Presidential choices this century.


So which was it? Did the White House twist the intelligence, or did the Director of the CIA (George Tenet) provide false information to Colin Powell? Or do you think Tenet lied to Powell, but told the truth to the rest of the Executive Branch, who then went and lied to everyone else? And why did Congress vote for the invasion of Iraq, largely based on an NIE on Iraq that they requested from Tenet?
 

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You're also aware the election was two months ago, that the Democrats are probably politically dead forever, and it's all about Trump and his presidency now, right?

FIFY

And I think we are all probably well aware of that........

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Interesting article...

Financial terror expert Kevin Freeman: Democrats are hypocrites about Russian hacking – TheBlaze

Buddy sent this to me...yeah I know some will cry "but look at the source", fine, but remember that Beck was anti-trump.

In it, he tells of laying out a claim of proof that U.S. elections were vulnerable to being “hacked” by Russia, China, or others. Specifically, he had proof he says that Russia had tried to intervene in the 2008 election by manipulating the stock market toward a recession because Russia, at the time, favored a Barack Obama win. And a downturn in the stock market generally meant the party in power — the party of Sen. John McCain (R.-AZ) and President George W. Bush — would be voted out.

I carried with me the evidence of what had taken place in September 2008, just before the historic election that placed then Senator Obama into the White House…

…Before the meeting, I had been told that my research regarding purposed attacks on our nation’s financial system had been suppressed because “it didn’t fit the Administration’s narrative.” I guess the Administration didn’t want to publicize that someone may have purposed to attack the stock market just before an election. When you realize that stock market returns just prior to an election are highly correlated with election results, it becomes clear that manipulating the stock market could impact who became President…
Freeman was ultimately verbally berated in loud tones and choice words before being walked out on at that meeting. He says things went south when he uttered the following, “I know the IC (intelligence community) can sometimes be politicized.” That was all it took for the door to be effectively slammed in his face.

Which explains why Freeman is baffled by the outrage coming from Democrats that Russia may have tried to influence the election in 2016. He had proof they were manipulating market information in 2008 to help Obama, but no one would listen because it “didn’t fit the narrative.”
 

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If the White House, CIA, and Defense have been hacked up to 9 times since Obama took office , why didn't we do anything different? Why did obama lap sanctions on during his exit tour?
 

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If the White House, CIA, and Defense have been hacked up to 9 times since Obama took office , why didn't we do anything different? Why did obama lap sanctions on during his exit tour?

Is this a serious question?

You don't see a difference between the longtime, ongoing cyber war we have been in with Russia and them trying to influence our election (and actually achieving it) with said hacking?
 

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This Buzzfeed report is so outlandish and many far-left media members spread it gleefully that any retraction whatsoever or proof that any of it is false will make Trump scandal-proof going forward IMO.
 

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This Buzzfeed report is so outlandish and many far-left media members spread it gleefully that any retraction whatsoever or proof that any of it is false will make Trump scandal-proof going forward IMO.

First of all, this is a king of a run on sentence. You must have been multitasking.

Second, the buzzfeed story isn't the intelligent report and vice versa. They are mutually exclusive.
 

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Wouldn't it be nice if both sides of the political aisle decided to put most of their time & effort into actually doing what's best for the country and governing instead of doing their best imitation of two chimps at the zoo throwing their shit at each other?
 

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Wouldn't it be nice if both sides of the political aisle decided to put most of their time & effort into actually doing what's best for the country and governing instead of doing their best imitation of two chimps at the zoo throwing their shit at each other?

in a perfect world! obama didn't get one law changed in 8 years..
 
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