Malik Barrow, DT, from Ohio State is in the Transfer Portal. Barrow played the first three games in 2017, suffered an ACL injury, did not play in 2018 and medically retired from football in October. When someone uses the terms Ohio State and medically retires with a later announcement of a transfer, one has a knee jerk reaction. Barrow would be eligible immediately but there would be questions about his readiness physically and academically.
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ND has put quite a few guys on medical scholarships, but it's usually the player's choice to take the medical and finish the ND degree, rather than transferring and trying to play somewhere else.
Ohio State (and every school, probably) has done the same, but they ALSO have a history of "forcing" medical scholarships on players that they want to process out when things get tight.
Jamel Dean early enrolled at Ohio State, but their numbers were getting tight near NSD... Dean enrolled, got his physical on campus, but then his history of knee problems in high school suddenly became an issue.
He was declared medically unfit by Ohio State's doctors, not even given a chance to have surgery and rehab for the year... duh, because that would've been a waste of a spot in a recruiting class that had four (!) other CB's. They told him he could stay at Ohio State on medical scholarship, or hit the road.
He got a second opinion, got his knee fixed up, and then went to Auburn and had a decent career. He's probably gonna be drafted this April.
Ohio State (and every school, probably) has done the same, but they ALSO have a history of "forcing" medical scholarships on players that they want to process out when things get tight.
Jamel Dean early enrolled at Ohio State, but their numbers were getting tight near NSD... Dean enrolled, got his physical on campus, but then his history of knee problems in high school suddenly became an issue.
He was declared medically unfit by Ohio State's doctors, not even given a chance to have surgery and rehab for the year... duh, because that would've been a waste of a spot in a recruiting class that had four (!) other CB's. They told him he could stay at Ohio State on medical scholarship, or hit the road.
He got a second opinion, got his knee fixed up, and then went to Auburn and had a decent career. He's probably gonna be drafted this April.
I don't recall another school where a prospect enrolled early after signing a binding letter of intent who then had his football scholarship withdrawn after participating in spring football. Dean received a second opinion from Dr. James Andrews and was cleared to play. Ohio State would not release him from his binding LOI, so Dean had to sit out a year. Ohio State should have released him from his LOI.
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I'm no lawyer, but releasing him from his LOI might have been seen as an "admission" by Ohio State that their doctors' opinions were questionable, and might have given Dean ammunition for legal action of some sort.
By maintaining their stance that he was unfit to play, and holding him to the LOI and the potential medical scholarship, they were putting the decision (and the risk) in Dean's court, absolving themselves from any decision he made thereafter.
As a point of clarification and to the best of my knowledge, I would think that Ohio State would have had a history of his injuries, his high school playing history, and observed him in spring practice. OSU's doctors may have different recommendations than Dr. Andrews.
To me, the problem is that a LOI is a binding agreement to one side - the player's who has to submit to NCAA transfer rules and miss a year. Doctors can come to different conclusions without one or the other incurring liability.
Barrow was different in that his injury occurred after playing three games. The Big Ten does allow teams to commit scholarships to eighty-eight players after NSD as long as a school documents to the league exactly how it came under the 85-scholarship limit. Dean would have enrolled taking classes paid for by Ohio State due to his football scholarship agreement. He had no idea that in that summer they would have pulled that scholarship and offered him a medical scholarship only to continue his education there. By then, Dean's choices then would have been limited to those schools who were under the 85 limit.
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Wisconsin QB Alex Hornibrook's name added to the portal
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Mertz is gonna start from day one isn't he
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you gotta think he was promised the job from his recruitment
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Exactly what I thought when I saw the news yesterday.
Makes way more sense of why he didn't go elsewhere. He wasn't gonna play early at ND, that's for sure.
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i'm not so sure of that, but he was awful last year and im sure he could see the writing on the wall
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Transferring to FSU. Can’t imagine he’s anything but a backup there.
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Umm..FSU has a gigantic hole at QB. 1 schloarship QB eligible as of now.
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i thought one of the guys that was going to leave (before the DF news), decided to come back, and is assumed the starter. can't remember his name. will look it up in a bit.
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Yeah, can’t see how Hornibrook beats Blackmon for the starting role.
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With that OL don't see how any QB survives the season
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Blackmon is terrible. Hornibrook was pretty bad this year but how much was due to the concussion?
Hornibrook is going to miss that Wisky OL if he does play. The FSU pass catchers are damn good, however.
This is a big deal for FSU they have been trying to get virtually anyone to transfer in and grab the QB spot.
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They're a hot mess. I don't see Slick Willy surviving this. With FL on the rise, Miami likely getting back on track with a new coach, and UCF's claiming #1 in FL the past couple years, it's got to pretty tense in FSU land.... They're the 4th best, maybe 5th or 6th best team in the state right now lol. It's a beautiful thing. It would be nice to see another team (Miami or FSU) give Clemson a challenge though.
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Blackman wasn’t good when he played as a freshman, Hornibrook sucked as a senior with a good online and a great rushing attack. I think Hornibrook would struggle outside the P5. He’s a BAD qb.
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Ha, Taint Martell was granted eligibility, at Miami, for next season. What a joke.
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Apparently ever since his tweets made it around campus at OSU they started calling him Taint Martell and that hurt his feelings
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Getting a lawyer.
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NCAA Guy #1 - "time to review the transfer case for Tathan Martell".
NCAA Guy #2 - "Who?"
NCAA Guy #1 - " The guy who left OSU for Miami"
NCAA Guy #2 - "I thought his name was Tate"
NCAA Guy #1 - "I say we approve him on the account of that name and I am sure half the OSU team banged his sister"
NCAA Guy #2 - "Approved. His sister better be thankful he didn't go to Michigan, Jabrill Peppers still hangs around"
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Has anyone kept a count of players approved for immediate eligibility and the circumstances surrounding them?
I'm just curious if we really do get the shaft every time or if it's just bias on my part.
I'm just curious if we really do get the shaft every time or if it's just bias on my part.
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I believe there was some sort of rule change a year or two back so we will see more of this moving forward.
No idea what the rule was but pretty sure Sampson said something about it.
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Crusader beat me to the punch a bit here. When I read the news about another waiver to grant immediate eligibility, I thought of Alohi immediately.
What has changed since 2016-17 that we are seeing a much looser structure around these guys? Patterson, Fields, Martell, just to name a few, all seem as worthy as Alohi would have been.
Did the rule changes that Sampson tweeted about happen after that transfer? Some of these are just a joke.
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Big profile players/recruits. Afraid these players will take them to court, and it will come out that the NCAA doesn't have any legal power to stop players from being immediately eligible is my biggest guess.