Torture Report

[illmatic630]

Today the government released the findings of a very long investigation on torture techniques used by the CIA.

This is disgusting.

The entire document: The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on the CIA’s detention and interrogation program - Washington Post

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/cia-used-rectal-feeding-as-part-of-torture-program

20 key findings about CIA interrogations - Washington Post

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Seriously thought this thread was the "Jack Arute on Sirius" thread with a new name.

 

[phork]

I don't really give a rat's ass. You are a terrorist, you will be terrorized until you cough up your intel. As far as I am concerned they have no rights and people should do everything and anything to extract vital intel.

 

[TDHeysus]

the only thing that has changed with regards to government 'interrogation techniques' is that now it is being talked about(and/or leaked out). Nothing new to see here...

 

[IrishLax]

Literally nothing that we didn't get out of watching Zero Dark Thirty.

 

[nsideirish]

I don't really give a rat's ass. You are a terrorist, you will be terrorized until you cough up your intel. As far as I am concerned they have no rights and people should do everything and anything to extract vital intel.

Yeah....

Except that quite a few of them were held at Guantanamo for years, never formally charged or allowed to plead their case and subjected to the torture described in this report. Then released after it was discovered they did nothing wrong.

 

[irishff1014]

Last time I checked they didn't give a rats ass about beheading Americans or continued effort to kill us.

 

[bkess8]

Is anyone trying to defend the terrorists? Come on this isn't even worth discussing! Have you forgotten what they have done to this country and the the threats they continue to make? It's disgusting that anyone would not defend the actions of the CIA they do what they have to do to protect and provide answers!

Sorry for the rant and bad grammer but this hit a nerve!

 

[connor_in]

Spies fire back at 'biased, inaccurate, and destructive' report | TheHill

Also

CIASavedLives

Agents tell their side.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I don't really give a rat's ass. You are a terrorist, you will be terrorized until you cough up your intel. As far as I am concerned they have no rights and people should do everything and anything to extract vital intel.

Torture also very often yields inaccurate intel.

 

[phork]

Whatever works.

 

[ozzman]

As a trained interrogator that spent most of 2006 deployed, I firmly believe that torture doesn't work.

 

[GoldenDomer]

We are such a brutal society

 

[IrishJayhawk]

As a trained interrogator that spent most of 2006 deployed, I firmly believe that torture doesn't work.

This is what I have heard from people trained in interrogation. So "whatever works" doesn't include torture.

 

[Irish YJ]

As a trained interrogator that spent most of 2006 deployed, I firmly believe that torture doesn't work.

Subjecting them to some of the liberal talk around here would probably inflict more fear.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Is anyone trying to defend the terrorists?

Did you just start this post off with the asinine assertion that being against torture equates to defending terrorists?

Come on this isn't even worth discussing!

The role of torture isn't worth discussing? It's a huge fucking deal unless one has the geopolitical sophistication of an eight-year old boy who views the world the same way he views roles in Cowboys & Indians.

Have you forgotten what they have done to this country and the the threats they continue to make?

Have you read how we got to that situation? Do you know that middle easterners could say the exact sentence about us too?

Are you aware that spending trillions of dollars to invade multiple countries killing thousands upon thousands in collateral damage thereby creating tens of millions (if not hundreds of millions) of anti-US sympathizers is exactly what Osama wanted us to do? The plan our government put together to respond to 9/11 objectively sucked, like dozens of times before, it made matters worse.

It's disgusting that anyone would not defend the actions of the CIA they do what they have to do to protect and provide answers!

You should read more about the CIA and how noble they are versus how you apparently view them. Oh wait! It's "not even worth discussing!" Just keep your head down and move along.

 

[NDdomer2]

Subjecting them to some of the liberal talk around here would probably inflict more fear.

Lol clockwork orange to IE political/race threads. They'll talk.

 

[bkess8]

Did you just start this post off with the asinine assertion that being against torture equates to defending terrorists?

No I am against anyone who believes that they were in the wrong by using torture as a way to exert information that would be utilized in the assistance of the government.

The role of torture isn't worth discussing? It's a huge fucking deal unless one has the geopolitical sophistication of an eight-year old boy who views the world the same way he views roles in Cowboys & Indians.

Torture isn't worth discussing when we are torturing the personnel that were responsible for 9\11 or personnel that committed to crimes against this country. I also love your extensive use of BIG words, what do you do for a living?

Have you read how we got to that situation? Do you know that middle easterners could say the exact sentence about us too?

No as a member of the US MILITARY I am uninformed about the situation and could use brief from you to inform me. Regardless of how we got into the situation, we are in it and we will be until the problem is solved.

Are you aware that spending trillions of dollars to invade multiple countries killing thousands upon thousands in collateral damage thereby creating tens of millions (if not hundreds of millions) of anti-US sympathizers is exactly what Osama wanted us to do? The plan our government put together to respond to 9/11 objectively sucked, like dozens of times before, it made matters worse.

I am aware of government spending when it comes to wars, it directly effects my family. I know that we have spent countless amounts of dollars however it was neither yours or my decision to do so. If you have a better way of fixing the problem then run for a government position and let your voice be heard.

You should read more about the CIA and how noble they are versus how you apparently view them. Oh wait! It's "not even worth discussing!" Just keep your head down and move along.

Please remember who provides you with the freedoms that you enjoy everyday and remember those who spend countless days, months, and years away from their families to protect you.

I really don't feel like getting into a pissing contest with you so I hope that is not where this is going to go. SO REMEMBER TO KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN AND MOVE ALONG!

 

[tussin]

As a trained interrogator that spent most of 2006 deployed, I firmly believe that torture doesn't work.

I hope that CIA interrogators wouldn't use any forms of torture unless they believed it was the most effective way to get intel.

 

[GoIrish41]

I don't really give a rat's ass. You are a terrorist, you will be terrorized until you cough up your intel. As far as I am concerned they have no rights and people should do everything and anything to extract vital intel.

Torturing suspects makes us no different than terrorists. To me, there is a sense that being an American is more than just a happy accident of geographical birthplace. Our sacred documents describe a nation that was conceived under a higher standard of human digity and greater ideals. If we are willing to use barbaric and sadistic means to extract information, what is the moral foundation on which we are committing these vile acts? Are we abandoning those ideals to somehow protect them and the people who hold them dear? These acts were committed by people who will insist they are patriots of the highest order, yet they led us to a dark and disturbing place against the national will. As a citizen of this country, I feel shame as I read exerpts from this report.

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah....

Except that quite a few of them were held at Guantanamo for years, never formally charged or allowed to plead their case and subjected to the torture described in this report. Then released after it was discovered they did nothing wrong.

You're not going to get much sympathy here.

This is just politics going on here. The report was done by Democrats who are looking to get killed in the elections. This is just a step by them to try and sway the voters. There probably is some validity to the report, but they've also shown that the tactics used did indeed lead to finding Osama Bin Laden contrary to what the report says.

We had a lot of innocent people die from 911. For the detainees, innocent or not, hang around with the wrong crowd and you're going to get pulled in.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Maybe the CIA should drag them out in the street, start the cameras rolling, grab a long sword, and then behead them if they refuse to talk. Then take the film and blast it over every television airwave in the world and tell the world this is what happens to you when you try to harm Americans. If they don't get the message the first time, then take another one out and repeat the process until they do get the message.

Or, we could take the kinder, gentler approach and simply ask them to tell us what they know. Once they cough up the information we can turn them loose back to their home regions and wait till we catch them again killing Americans so we can ask them one more time what they know. Then repeat the process over and over.

This report tells us nothing we don't already know. It was irresponsibly released by Senate Democrats looking to gain a few "political" points all the while putting more American lives at risk.

For the record, I don't know if torture is the answer when it comes to trying to gather intel from terrorists. I am torn between our country trying to gather intel that would potentially save lives and using torture as one means of doing it. I am glad I don't make those decisions.

 

[woolybug25]

All of the knee jerk responses without even reading the report is sad. I don't want my country to torture people, whether it works or not, which come to find out... it doesn't.

This isn't just water boarding and sleep deprivation either. There was several incidents of forced rectal hydration and forced rectal exams done with "excessive force". That's freaking rape... I am not going to condone our government institutionally raping prisoners that may or may not be terrorists in hopes that they can get information. Not to mention... it didn't even work according to the report.

 

[woolybug25]

You're not going to get much sympathy here.

This is just politics going on here. The report was done by Democrats who are looking to get killed in the elections. This is just a step by them to try and sway the voters. There probably is some validity to the report, but they've also shown that the tactics used did indeed lead to finding Osama Bin Laden contrary to what the report says.

We had a lot of innocent people die from 911. For the detainees, innocent or not, hang around with the wrong crowd and you're going to get pulled in.

There is a Republican part and a CIA rebuttal.

C'mon guys... are you even freaking reading the thing? John McCain even wants this information out and has made public comments regarding the need for us to address this.

 

[tussin]

There is a Republican part and a CIA rebuttal.

C'mon guys... are you even freaking reading the thing? John McCain even wants this information out and has made public comments regarding the need for us to address this.

The most effective CIA rebuttal is that their techniques contributed to a significantly weakened Al Qaeda and no significant terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11.

This report was clearly written with a anti-CIA bias and I think the truth/effectiveness of the tactics lie somewhere in the middle. The dietary rectal stuff is pretty despicable, but I have a hard time feeling too bad for the detainees that had cigarette smoke blown into their face, were hit with cold water, or even the sleep deprivation.

 

[woolybug25]

The most effective CIA rebuttal is that their techniques contributed to a significantly weakened Al Qaeda and no significant terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11.

This report was clearly written with a anti-CIA bias and I think the truth/effectiveness of the tactics lie somewhere in the middle. The dietary rectal stuff is pretty despicable, but I have a hard time feeling too bad for the detainees that had cigarette smoke blown into their face, were hit with cold water, or even the sleep deprivation.

Except for the fact that they cant directly correlate information they retrieved through torture to the capture of any terrorist in particular or stopping of a terrorist act in particular. I would argue that the actual war, domestic changes and time have had more effect on our safety than the torture.

It should be more than "I guess I feel bad" for detainees (which have no legal representation, trial or even guilt in some cases) getting raped by our government. I suppose we all have different levels of acceptance for torture, but this isn't how I want my government acting. It's criminal, imo.

 

[pumpdog20]

Torturing suspects makes us no different than terrorists. To me, there is a sense that being an American is more than just a happy accident of geographical birthplace. Our sacred documents describe a nation that was conceived under a higher standard of human digity and greater ideals. If we are willing to use barbaric and sadistic means to extract information, what is the moral foundation on which we are committing these vile acts? Are we abandoning those ideals to somehow protect them and the people who hold them dear? These acts were committed by people who will insist they are patriots of the highest order, yet they led us to a dark and disturbing place against the national will. As a citizen of this country, I feel shame as I read exerpts from this report.

LOL, this guy. "higher standard of human digity", "we're no different than terrorists" blah blah blah. No, let me tell you what happened... Terrorists flew two planes into the WTC, another into the Pentagon, another into a Pennsylvania field on the way to the white house. What did America want? Actions and Answers, and now you feel shame that they did that.

 

[connor_in]

There is a Republican part and a CIA rebuttal.

C'mon guys... are you even freaking reading the thing? John McCain even wants this information out and has made public comments regarding the need for us to address this.

Wooly, I am not saying that anything you said was wrong or right, but I will tell you that bringing up McCain as your Republican point of reference probably hurts your statement more than it helps. Many R's have felt for years that he is a RINO and have little to no respect for him politcally

 

[woolybug25]

Wooly, I am not saying that anything you said was wrong or right, but I will tell you that bringing up McCain as your Republican point of reference probably hurts your statement more than it helps. Many R's have felt for years that he is a RINO and have little to no respect for him politcally

Doesn't make him not a Republican. Seems the only reason some have "little or no respect" for him is because he doesn't just tote the party line. He actually puts thought into his political beliefs.

If anything, I think that his opinion should carry some weight. After all... he's the only person in Senate that has actually been tortured himself. I think he knows a thing or two about it.

 

[tussin]

Except for the fact that they cant directly correlate information they retrieved through torture to the capture of any terrorist in particular or stopping of a terrorist act in particular. I would argue that the actual war, domestic changes and time have had more effect on our safety than the torture.

It should be more than "I guess I feel bad" for detainees (which have no legal representation, trial or even guilt in some cases) getting raped by our government. I suppose we all have different levels of acceptance for torture, but this isn't how I want my government acting. It's criminal, imo.

Let's not be sensational. Don't imply that I accept or support rape by CIA interrogators.

Do aspects of the CIA's interrogation program need to be reexamined? Yes. Is it anywhere near as broken as described in that report? Almost certainly not. I'm just not as outraged as you are that Al Qaeda conspirators were given ice baths and forced to stay awake for two days.