Tommy Rees and Carlo Calabrese arrested

[NDBoiler]

I FULLY agree with you on personal responsibility, morality, doing the right thing, and being punished when you get caught. My point was that this happens everywhere (which in an of itself does not condone the action, nor does it excuse it), and pointed out that other institutions specifically tell their PD to take the kids home, not arrest them. ND is very different, and that is something that all student learn when they arrive.

I understand. I imagine being a private, religious-based university plays into that significantly then. But just keep in mind too that this wasn't an NDPD arrest, but a SBPD arrest.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

All of us remember seeing things exactly like this many times in our youth. GREAT point.

And its a drunk teenagers side of the story VS theirs. Easy win.

 

[ChiRish]

Cops can enter a house if they are given "Probably Cause" and with "Exigent Circumstances", which can be easily "created" by officer. If they know partying is going on inside the house, i.e. watching some drunk kid stumble inside and shut the door, hear loud music, etc. Then they can "create" an exigent circumstance by claiming they heard a noise of items being thrown away (destruction of evidence) and can enter without a warrant as it is in the "safety" of the public to NOT wait for a warrant.

As for ol' Tommy Boy, smh. We all have made poor mistakes, or at least I know I have, but you have one of the greatest opportunities in front of you, let alone a free degree from one of the greatest University in the world. You should not be putting yourself into a situation where that can be taken away from you. By no means does that mean you have to be a tight wad who never leaves his dorm or can't have a drink. But maybe the party that is spewing to the street isn't the best place to get plastered.

For those who think this is good for the team as far as Golson getting the start: Wouldn't the pressure on him to know he has to beat out a guy who has started for a year and half help him stay focused? In the scenario that Tommy is suspended for a few games or is kicked off the team he no longers has that competition and could naturally "relax."

Hope Tommy and Carlo learn from this.

This. SCOTUS has wrecked any sense of privacy we have when the police want to search your home. Kids were outside drinking, it was loud, and the police took advantage of it to raid the whole house. Guarantee none of these kids would ever even try to use the 4th amendment to exclude the fact they were drinking.

That being said, we all remember high school and parts of college. For some reason, the cops (for the most part) working those beats HATE those kids and act like total d!cks around them when they're drunk. I've gotten a drinking ticket in college after being flat out lied to by a police officer. He told me I could come help my friend home with no problems, but only used that to throw me against a police car.

 

[Ironman8]

It is insane how much misinformation comes out in situations like this. I must have already read 5 different versions of "what happened". Prudence is the best option in this situation, and we should really all wait until actual facts are out there and the justice system has been carried out.

 

[koonja]

Suspend him Doug? Kick him off the tour!

 

[koonja]

ahh... it's been a while since I neg repped someone...

Pretty sure I was your last victim

 

[ThePiombino]

It is insane how much misinformation comes out in situations like this. I must have already read 5 different versions of "what happened". Prudence is the best option in this situation, and we should really all wait until actual facts are out there and the justice system has been carried out.

^this

Suspend him Doug? Kick him off the tour!

Pretty sure I was your last victim

Btw , we're gonna have a multi-quote seminar later. You in?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

 

[Patulski]

This.......

These cops respond to noise complaints like they're raiding a meth lab. Yet they do absolutely nothing to solve any of the REAL crimes that occur daily in South Bend... and there are many of them. That's what I personally cannot excuse. Either take all parts of your job seriously or not... instead, they focus solely on the aspects of their job that have a quick monetary payout (noise complaint tickets are expensive).

I won't fault them for "doing their job" but I've seen first hand their conduct. In the big raid a couple years ago where something like 50 kids were arrested... to say they harassed the students there would be an understatement. Literally kicking in the door, arresting kids who hadn't been drinking because it was easier just to book everyone, waking up sleeping students and shining a flashlight in their eyes, not letting kids go to the bathroom and taunting them to **** themselves... I'm sorry but people who defend SBPD seriously must not have interacted with them recently. For some reason they have a huge axe to grind against ND students and it's just not right. If they did their primary job with an competency (stopping crime) then there would be something to respect them for... but they don't.

I wouldn't be surprised if what actually happened was Tommy tried to run... Officer Jimbo got pissed off and tackled him.... and then maced him for "good measure"... and then booked him for all of these charges to justify the macing. And I wouldn't be surprised if Carlo started arguing with them about excessive force or something to that effect and Officer Bob didn't like his "attitude" so he booked him for disorderly conduct to show him who's boss. But I guess we'll have to wait for all of the "facts" to come out.

This is so true. South Bend is "balkanized" like many cities. Most of the town is safe and well off. The rest is poor and violent. You'll find tons of cops in the safe parts, looking to write speeding tickets, or responding to traffic accidents. But on the other side of towns, where there's gang warfare over crack cocaine and meth labs and the murder rate is high, they stay away and wait for the calls to pick up the bodies.

As for Notre Dame: For many,many years the cops would approach underrage students drinking at parties (which was against the law) and tell the kids to go back to campus. They looked the other way at underage drinking at Goose's, The Library and Corby's. Today, they raid the bars and call in SWAT team-like actions when the kids go off campus. It's pathetic.

Personally, I think Notre Dame is behind this. They have so much clout with the city that they could stop these police actions and take it back to the way it was, where all the bars were within close walking distance and the students could drink underage and walk home.
Instead, they've harassed the students on campus and made them flee off campus. Worse, they have the SB Police harassing them in the homes they rent.

 

[greyhammer90]

Cops can enter a house if they are given "Probably Cause" and with "Exigent Circumstances", which can be easily "created" by officer. If they know partying is going on inside the house, i.e. watching some drunk kid stumble inside and shut the door, hear loud music, etc. Then they can "create" an exigent circumstance by claiming they heard a noise of items being thrown away (destruction of evidence) and can enter without a warrant as it is in the "safety" of the public to NOT wait for a warrant.

If a police officer wants to break down my front door without a warrant and claim that his reasoning was that he had seen a 20 year old getting drunk inside that he "thought looked underage", he is welcome to do so. That would be f*cking hilarious, seeing him climb through the door frame and look up to see the entire party filming him on their cell phones. My message remains the same. If a cop comes to your door, ask for a warrant. Know your rights.

 

[NDBoiler]

This.......

These cops respond to noise complaints like they're raiding a meth lab. Yet they do absolutely nothing to solve any of the REAL crimes that occur daily in South Bend... and there are many of them. That's what I personally cannot excuse. Either take all parts of your job seriously or not... instead, they focus solely on the aspects of their job that have a quick monetary payout (noise complaint tickets are expensive).

I won't fault them for "doing their job" but I've seen first hand their conduct. In the big raid a couple years ago where something like 50 kids were arrested... to say they harassed the students there would be an understatement. Literally kicking in the door, arresting kids who hadn't been drinking because it was easier just to book everyone, waking up sleeping students and shining a flashlight in their eyes, not letting kids go to the bathroom and taunting them to **** themselves... I'm sorry but people who defend SBPD seriously must not have interacted with them recently. For some reason they have a huge axe to grind against ND students and it's just not right. If they did their primary job with an competency (stopping crime) then there would be something to respect them for... but they don't.

I wouldn't be surprised if what actually happened was Tommy tried to run... Officer Jimbo got pissed off and tackled him.... and then maced him for "good measure"... and then booked him for all of these charges to justify the macing. And I wouldn't be surprised if Carlo started arguing with them about excessive force or something to that effect and Officer Bob didn't like his "attitude" so he booked him for disorderly conduct to show him who's boss. But I guess we'll have to wait for all of the "facts" to come out.

That's quite a sweeping generalization Lax! Have you ever looked at a police blotter on public record? The vast majority of reported crimes in most small towns are minor incidents like noise complaints, etc. I am certainly not saying there aren't instances where law enforcement fails to do their job properly, as we all do at some point or another. In fact, when they do fail, it is huge because it usually is in the news and someone may have been seriously injured or killed, which is a horrible situation. I personally know a couple of SBPD officers who are good friends of my father-in-law. Based on my interactions with them, I just can't agree with the points that you are trying to make. Maybe it's my perspective, but again, it's a game of risk-reward. If you don't take the risk and potential consequence, then you don't have to worry about the trappings of law enforcement. But if you do make the decision to take that risk, know that you just may have to deal with the consequences if things go bad.

 

[IrishInFl]

Gotta love ESPN! With all the crazy sport's news yesterday, this is the first thing they mention on Sportscenter this morning.

If Notre Dame is so irrelevant, why would they mention this at the top of the broadcast?

I feel bad for Carlo, not so much for Tommy. This is about as stupid of a thing to do as when James Wilder pushed a cop for his ugly GF here in Tallahassee.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Hey Piombino,

TOMMY ASSAULTED A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER!!! YOU CANT DO THAT.....

Tommy just put a BLACK EYE on Our Ladys Football program...

Players at Notre Dame DONT DO THAT!!!

Think about that before you call people f-tards and declaring them the black eyes of the fan base.

LETS GO IRISH!!!

GIVE GOLSON A CHANCE!!

Yeah, but that doesn't make the behavior of some people on this thread less "turdish."

IronMAN, there is a huge difference between most peoples fantasy of their idealized self, and their actual observable behavior.

This isn't about cops, this isn't about anything but two adolescents or young adults that made very bad choices. The rest is all about the fans that get their giggle juices going because these guys are football players. What in the final difference makes this different than Matt James, other than there was no resultant death? Just another case of poor decisions meet underage drinking and lack of experience. With me it was a race when I was 18. I was sober, the other guy wasn't and he didn't make the turn out of the straight away. Hit a pole, tore his car in half. I can't tell you how it felt till we got there and found all three from the car strapped into their seats, with just cuts, bruises, and a minor concussion to show. I was lucky, I got to see the dragon out of the bottle without it biting me.

Now, looking at pictures, it seems to me Tommy took a face of pepper spray. If I remember from back in the day, for a short while Uncle Sam trusted me with pepper spray, it takes quite a bit to hit someone on the move with pepper spray. Someone has to be coming at you or cornered. And with the irritation I saw whichever was pretty static for a number of seconds. And how would using a taser after that much spray not be, excessive force? Hmmm? But all that doesn't matter. At this point I would rather have one Tommy Rees than all the gloating @ssholes on this thread. He may have made a big mistake last night, but at least he has done something.

The most important point is to look at what alcohol has cost this program in the last ten years. Matt James, Powers-Neal, Floyd, and Rees are all the tip of the iceberg. When are we going to spend our time doing something instead of mentally masturbating by debating details that we will never know or sharing opinions that make us look like as big of @ssholes as fans from footballfactory U?

And, pardon me if this has been stated; Someone who was there said that Carlo got charged because he tried to extract Tommy from the police car (not physically). That is almost what I like to see in a linebacker.

 

[irishff1014]

That's quite a sweeping generalization Lax! Have you ever looked at a police blotter on public record? The vast majority of reported crimes in most small towns are minor incidents like noise complaints, etc. I am certainly not saying there aren't instances where law enforcement fails to do their job properly, as we all do at some point or another. In fact, when they do fail, it is huge because it usually is in the news and someone may have been seriously injured or killed, which is a horrible situation. I personally know a couple of SBPD officers who are good friends of my father-in-law. Based on my interactions with them, I just can't agree with the points that you are trying to make. Maybe it's my perspective, but again, it's a game of risk-reward. If you don't take the risk and potential consequence, then you don't have to worry about the trappings of law enforcement. But if you do make the decision to take that risk, know that you just may have to deal with the consequences if things go bad.

Not to mention that for probably eveyone 1 bad cop there are probably 10 goods ones. Just because some let the power go to their heads doesn't mean that they all do.

 

[woolybug25]

It's funny that I posted a thread about Father Doyle being dismissed and not one single person cared.

Looks like the new head of student discipline will be challenged immediately.

 

[Grahambo]

If a police officer wants to break down my front door without a warrant and claim that his reasoning was that he had seen a 20 year old getting drunk inside that he "thought looked underage", he is welcome to do so. That would be f*cking hilarious, seeing him climb through the door frame and look up to see the entire party filming him on their cell phones. My message remains the same. If a cop comes to your door, ask for a warrant. Know your rights.

You watch too many movies. A warrant is needed to search, if a cop sees a crime happen he can enter.

Some of you on here know absolutely nothing about law enforcement so quit pretending you do. Sick to my stomach reading about cops doing nothing, go solve murders, etc. One of the hardest things to do is solve a murder. Get off your high horse. Are there cops that are bad apples? Damn right but the vast majority do things that take more courage then some of you can muster up. One of the scariest things a cop has to do is a routine traffic stop.

Sorry for the rant. I'm in law enforcement so I took offense to some things. I'm not trying to offend anybody either.

 

[dmort]

Father Doyle's replacement is Erin Hoffman Harding.She takes over in August.
I think the university will leave the football decision to Kelly as far as Carlo goes.Tommy is facing a felony,unless the prosecutor drops that particular charge,so I suspect the university would dismiss him.If the felony charge goes away then punishment will be severe.Rees has been living in a pressure cooker and he made some bad decisions.In any event a transfer may be his only option after the legal situation is resolved.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

It's funny that I posted a thread about Father Doyle being dismissed and not one single person cared.

Looks like the new head of student discipline will be challenged immediately.

Wonder if it will be an early Roger Goddell type "you are all mine now" punishment.

 

[FLDomer]

It's funny that I posted a thread about Father Doyle being dismissed and not one single person cared.

Looks like the new head of student discipline will be challenged immediately.

I thought the same thing!! Btw reps for posting the article, it was a good one!

 

[RDU Irish]

Police Officers have power trips. College students drink and make poor decisions (not always at the same time). "Assault" definitions are dumb, by the definitions above I HOPE to be able to assault my wife tonight. By assault, I mean touch. See how dumb that is?

Drinking laws are counterproductive. Who cares if kids drink as long as they don't drive after doing it. Floyd could have f-ing killed someone driving with a .18 BAC. Rees was only going to hurt himself wandering SB drunk. So throwing the book at this 19 year old accomplishes what? Prohibition on a smaller scale is all we are dealing with, it does not work and I would say causes more harm than good.

SBPD sees a party and sees some easy arrests and revenue for the city and her sacred defense attorneys. They really don't care about the future of the kids they arrest, they view them all as spoiled rich kids that have an unfair advantage over them and their kin. This is no different than it has been for years at ND.

Now if Carlo were the violent drunk, I would be worried about his suroundings.

 

[NDdomer2]

If a police officer wants to break down my front door without a warrant and claim that his reasoning was that he had seen a 20 year old getting drunk inside that he "thought looked underage", he is welcome to do so. That would be f*cking hilarious, seeing him climb through the door frame and look up to see the entire party filming him on their cell phones. My message remains the same. If a cop comes to your door, ask for a warrant. Know your rights.

Dude, trust me I am in complete agreement that you should never let an officer in your house without having a warrant. But the same rights you are saying you need to know also have contingencies that allow cops to enter your home without said warrant. Doors are not Fort Knox, and aren't going to keep them out of the house.

The bottom line of all this is when you are at a party where the music is loud enough to get a noise complaint and people are drinking out to the street you need to leave. Period. The address given in the article is literally half a block from Club 23. Not exactly a establishment with a good reputation. Police commonly patrol this area looking for drunk kids. We are crazy if you don't think Tommy and others weren't already aware of this.

 

[woolybug25]

Father Doyle's replacement is Erin Hoffman Harding.She takes over in August.

So will Doyle or Hoffman be dealing with this?


It will be interesting if the court drops the Assaulting an Officer. If they do, it will be hard to justify kicking Tommy off of the team for an MIP when we didn't kick Floyd off for a DUI.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I have not seen 1 post with the correct story posted in this thread so I feel that some should take a deep breath and go about your day.

 

[IrishLax]

That's quite a sweeping generalization Lax! Have you ever looked at a police blotter on public record? The vast majority of reported crimes in most small towns are minor incidents like noise complaints, etc.

Completely accurate statement, but...

I am certainly not saying there aren't instances where law enforcement fails to do their job properly, as we all do at some point or another. In fact, when they do fail, it is huge because it usually is in the news and someone may have been seriously injured or killed, which is a horrible situation. I personally know a couple of SBPD officers who are good friends of my father-in-law. Based on my interactions with them, I just can't agree with the points that you are trying to make. Maybe it's my perspective, but again, it's a game of risk-reward. If you don't take the risk and potential consequence, then you don't have to worry about the trappings of law enforcement. But if you do make the decision to take that risk, know that you just may have to deal with the consequences if things go bad.

I believe the issue is the part I bolded. I've interacted with SBPD probably a half-dozen to a dozen times. Never been arrested myself; and have no personal qualms with them in terms of their personal treatment of me.

But I had a friend who got robbed of everything in his house... filed a police report and they told him flat out that they weren't going to be able to find the goods and wouldn't really bother looking. THEN my friend goes and finds his stuff on Craig's List... calls SBPD about it.... they treat him like an annoying pest wasting their time... but finally agree to contact the person to "purchase" the items and get them back. Later, when he calls to follow up, they tell him they haven't gotten to it but will. Later, he calls to follow up again and they tell him that they're too busy and "that's what insurance is for" and that they won't be pursuing it further. WTF?

But at the same time SBPD cops have enough time to ride around and ticket cars for being parked facing the "incorrect direction" on a 2-way street... or respond to every noise complaint with a SWAT team.... or respond to faux noise complaints (i.e. use a "noise complaint" that never happened in order to invade a house party and ticket everyone only to later admit that it never happened or was for a "different address" after the damage is done and they've collected their money).

All your interactions with SBPD are positive because the officers are friends of the family. And I'm sure not every officer is a loser with an axe to grind... it's a given that some have to be good apples. My interactions with them are cops sworn to "protect and serve" doing absolutely nothing to protect people and everything to serve themselves some nice easy fine $$$. I wish I had more than anecdotes to go off of here, but sadly I don't... and all of the anecdotes are negative.

To be fair to SBPD, I'd love to here some positive anecdotes on their service to the community from you (or anyone else).

 

[NDdomer2]

I have not seen 1 post with the correct story posted in this thread so I feel that some should take a deep breath and go about your day.

How dare you call Fox29 a liar, they are in fact "On your side"

 

[ChiRish]

So will Doyle or Hoffman be dealing with this?


It will be interesting if the court drops the Assaulting an Officer. If they do, it will be hard to justify kicking Tommy off of the team for an MIP when we didn't kick Floyd off for a DUI.

Yeah I was wondering the same thing. I heard he's going to be arraigned today on it but that really means nothing. Gotta imagine they'll plea this out and he'll get community service or something. First time offense. I would be SHOCKED if he got kicked off the team.

 

[Kingbish01]

I heard Lynch almost got sucked into this too. I he thought about going to the party, then he changed his mind. Then he thought about it agian, and decided to go. He showed up for about 15 min and then ran away to a much smaller party.

 

[Domina Nostra]

IMO, the police are trained to nuetralize incidents fast and furiously. I have seen way too many videos, and heard way too many second hand accounts, and even had enough personal experience NOT to assume that a police officer's reaction to an incident was proportional to the original action or indicative of the kind of activities that were going on.

In other words, I don't think the pepper spray or tasers only come out when needed. I think they come out as soon as operational procedurals allow them to do so. The name of the game seems to be protect officer safety and prevent big time problems by exerting overwhelming force early. Sometimes I think it is justified, sometimes not. But it is almost always legal and by the book.

 

[woolybug25]

I have not seen 1 post with the correct story posted in this thread so I feel that some should take a deep breath and go about your day.

But yet you don't post anything regarding the correct story. Thanks.



Here's the WNDU story, don't know if its the correct one. But it is an account of it.
Notre Dame quarterback Rees, linebacker Calabrese arrested



Btw, something we should keep in mind is that they could always drop the Assault charge, which would leave Tommy with lessor charges than Floyd had.

 

[Ironman8]

Per SBT write Mary Kate Malone, Carlo allegedly told officers:

"My people will get you"

One officer reported Tommy "lifted a knee" to the officer while in custody on the ground, which knocked the wind out of him and made him pepper spray Tommy.

All sounds bad.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Per SBT write Mary Kate Malone, Carlo allegedly told officers:



One officer reported he was kneed in the abdomen by Rees, which knocked the wind out of him and made him pepper spray Tommy. Tommy continued to resist after handcuffed.

All sounds bad.

Let's hope this isn't what happened.