Terror Attacks in Paris

[NDRock]

I am pretty conservative, and I'm a veteran, so I am not some kumbaya-singing, love everyone, slack jawed, entitlement demanding liberal.....

But I am for multiculturalism and tolerance. I've traveled to quite a few corners of the globe, and there are some GREAT people and traditions in every one of them. You can tolerate Islam without embracing jihadis. Should all of us Catholics be condemned over the IRA?

Reps. Well said.

 

[wizards8507]

I am pretty conservative, and I'm a veteran, so I am not some kumbaya-singing, love everyone, slack jawed, entitlement demanding liberal.....

But I am for multiculturalism and tolerance. I've traveled to quite a few corners of the globe, and there are some GREAT people and traditions in every one of them. You can tolerate Islam without embracing jihadis. Should all of us Catholics be condemned over the IRA?

The problem with multiculturalism is that you lose a national identity. There needs to be assimilation along with immigration so that the new immigrants learn the language and culture. Yes, keep you food and faith and customs. But also learn George Washington, apple pie, and Thanksgiving. Otherwise you end up with Balkanization.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Plenty of time to play the blame game and political crap but I am hearing over 140 dead as of now. Our only thoughts right now should be on the families of the victims.

I get what you are saying TTT, my main point is that over 150,000 Syrian refugees have fleed to Europe, there could be other attacks on the way,
Trying to figure out who did is not a political blame game, it's situational analysis.

 

[condoms SUCk]

I am pretty conservative, and I'm a veteran, so I am not some kumbaya-singing, love everyone, slack jawed, entitlement demanding liberal.....

But I am for multiculturalism and tolerance. I've traveled to quite a few corners of the globe, and there are some GREAT people and traditions in every one of them. You can tolerate Islam without embracing jihadis. Should all of us Catholics be condemned over the IRA?

I'm not sure this falls into multiculturalism debate (is it good or bad) more so as this is a ruthless enemy using at PC culture to their advantage and hurting the west in their own back yard.

 

[kmoose]

The problem with multiculturalism is that you lose a national identity. There needs to be assimilation along with immigration so that the new immigrants learn the language and culture. Yes, keep you food and faith and customs. But also learn George Washington, apple pie, and Thanksgiving. Otherwise you end up with Balkanization.

Of course people need to become Americans. But you can bring aspects of your culture along with you. My American experience has been enhanced by a number of "foreign" things.......... beer, vodka, pizza, tacos, soccer, and coffee have all enhanced, not diluted, my "Americana". For the record; if it were my choice, I would forbid the waving of foreign flags when protesting American government policies in the streets of America.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Of course people need to become Americans. But you can bring aspects of your culture along with you. My American experience has been enhanced by a number of "foreign" things.......... beer, vodka, pizza, tacos, soccer, and coffee have all enhanced, not diluted, my "Americana". For the record; if it were my choice, I would forbid the waving of foreign flags when protesting American government policies in the streets of America.

I have great respect for you and your opinions on this board, but the number one priority of the US federal government is the security of the citizens.

Immigration without assimilation is invasion.

 

[johnnycando]

Just seen live that over 100 trapped in the concert hall have been killed with explosives.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

What's the problem with just calling it what it is? If KKK scumbags were to hang 3 black guys tonight, we'd call them white supremacists/ racists and condemn them, rightfully so.

Radical Islam is on the attack globally and our president won't go further than "violent extremism."

 

[johnnycando]

Per Paris Sky News. 1:33 am

140 killed. 100 at concert hall, 40 at other locations.

3 attackers killed at concert hall

Borders closed but airports open.

The gunmen at cafe at large.

Remains of 1 suicide bomber recovered.

You beat me to it.

 

[Irish YJ]

150 now... sad

I've never liked the French, but I pray for them, and stand with them today. F'ing terrorist cowards.

 

[Irish YJ]

France: The Looming Battle over Muslim Integration

To the point about multiculturalism destroying a country's identity... From the French themselves...

 

[Wingman Ray]

Boys this problem will never go away short of taking out a whole culture of people. The religion home grows it. It wont be long until this is a worldwide problem, which is the intent of Islam period. I dont care if you dont want to be considered a radical or not...Islam plainly states if you arent Islamic, you must covert or die. That is basic.

I can see a day where they are coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches. Nothing to lose and everything to gain in their small, misguided minds.

 

[kmoose]

I have great respect for you and your opinions on this board, but the number one priority of the US federal government is the security of the citizens.

Immigration without assimilation is invasion.

With all due respect, my first words in the post you quoted were "Of course people need to become Americans."
Are you using some other definition of assimilation?

When I was in Ukraine, I was struck by the fact that each medium to big sized city has these HUGE parks, and the places are packed at all hours of the day. We would get picked up at the hotel at 8am, drive by the park and there are 100+ people there. Go to lunch at noon-ish, drive by a different park, and there are 100s of people there. Go out to dinner and walk back to the hotel, pass 2 or 3 parks and there are all kinds of people in each one of them. So I asked our translator about it. He told me, "I have been to America. When you guys want to get together with friends, you have them over for dinner or just for an evening in. Here in Ukraine, our apartments are not big enough to have friends over, so we meet in the park. We meet in the park, then maybe go to a restaurant or disco, and then meet back in the park to say goodbye and goodnight to everyone. The older men will often meet in the park for coffee before work. And the women will spend the day in the park with their friends. That's why the parks are always full."

That's one "foreign" aspect that I would love to see more of, in the US. Of course, we would have to clean up many of the parks first. But the reason that much of the riff-raff hangs out in parks is so that they can do their thing away from the crowds.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I guess I just don't understand these terrorists. Why do you want to piss off the west? You can get away with killing a few people, beheaded a journalist here and there, but you can't slaughter 100 people. This assures their destruction. France is not about to sit back.

It doesn't assure their destruction at all.

There are like a billion muslims, if just 10% are super duper radical that's 100,000,000 people.

 

[wizards8507]

With all due respect, my first words in the post you quoted were "Of course people need to become Americans."
Are you using some other definition of assimilation?

When I was in Ukraine, I was struck by the fact that each medium to big sized city has these HUGE parks, and the places are packed at all hours of the day. We would get picked up at the hotel at 8am, drive by the park and there are 100+ people there. Go to lunch at noon-ish, drive by a different park, and there are 100s of people there. Go out to dinner and walk back to the hotel, pass 2 or 3 parks and there are all kinds of people in each one of them. So I asked our translator about it. He told me, "I have been to America. When you guys want to get together with friends, you have them over for dinner or just for an evening in. Here in Ukraine, our apartments are not big enough to have friends over, so we meet in the park. We meet in the park, then maybe go to a restaurant or disco, and then meet back in the park to say goodbye and goodnight to everyone. The older men will often meet in the park for coffee before work. And the women will spend the day in the park with their friends. That's why the parks are always full."

That's one "foreign" aspect that I would love to see more of, in the US. Of course, we would have to clean up many of the parks first. But the reason that much of the riff-raff hangs out in parks is so that they can do their thing away from the crowds.

I won't speak for Leppy, but my objection was to your use of the term "multiculturalism." As it's used today, multiculturalism often connotes a lack of assimilation rather than a common national identity.

 

[Irish YJ]

Boys this problem will never go away short of taking out a whole culture of people. The religion home grows it. It wont be long until this is a worldwide problem, which is the intent of Islam period. I dont care if you dont want to be considered a radical or not...Islam plainly states if you arent Islamic, you must covert or die. That is basic.

I can see a day where they are coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches. Nothing to lose and everything to gain in their small, misguided minds.

Just like Christianity, Islam can and has been bastardize by both it's believers and critics. I'm not going to get into a debate because I'm not near as informed as I used to be on the topic, but....

1) The Qur'an talks about fighting the infidel in a defensive posture, and as the non-aggressor... If it is in a defensive posture, then they should indeed slay them.
2) Jihad in itself does not translate to holy war. The oldest and most basic meaning of it is "struggle"
3) Basic Islamic belief includes the "Oneness of Mankind" (I think that's what it's called). It states basically that everyone is equal, and Muslims are required to respect the dignity of mankind, regardless of religion, race, etc....

Just like our Crusades which were masked with.... fill in the blank....


That said, these extremist are bat-sheite crazy and need to be exterminated...

I'm tired of 3 things.....

1)People that say this is not a war against countries, only fundamental extremist.... The US (and allies) should put the world on notice that if you support these extremist, harbor terrorist, or in any way fail to wage internal war on them,,,,,,, you will be bombed back to the stoneage... (and we will not rebuild you with US dollars)
2)People that say securing your borders is racist.... . We need to lock them down and protect ourselves (economically, and from terrorist). Let people in that are willing to go through the process the right way..
3)We need to embrace all cultures and ways of life.... and make it easy on all that want to come to the US... Well F that. The US was created with some very basic, and some very good principles... If you don't like them, F off. If you don't like them, don't come.... If you don't like them, get the F out. I'm tired of feeling that I need to learn another language to live here... I'm tired of the PC revolution... I'm tired of seeing prayer, basic US tradition, and nationalism flushed down the crapper at new levels every single day...

 

[Irish YJ]

Now say the coordination was to the level that the terrorist were on the phone with external coordinators (who were monitoring the press/TV) who would tell them things like "they are coming in, kill them all now" or something to that effect..

 

[Irish YJ]

3 of 4 attackers at the concert venue had explosive vests..

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

3 of 4 attackers at the concert venue had explosive vests..

Wait, people can kill people and not use guns? Mind. blown.

 

[dshans]

Let's hold off on the political debate for now. Prayers for the innocent.

Yes.

While I may not not be one to pray, per se; I see and care and hope.

 

[NDgradstudent]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Maybe guard the border before the massacre</p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/665304142772965376">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[IrishSteelhead]

It's threads like these that remind me how obnoxious it is when people say dumb stuff like "I hate (insert team name) more than Al Qaeda."

The chips need to be pushed into the middle of the table, and the West needs to draw a line in the sand. If your government doesn't help us actively pursue and snuff out terrorists, then you are the enemy. End of story.

 

[calvegas04]

Maybe France will finally rejoin us and start attcking these terrorist groups, Also the US needs to get their shit together and start locking down our boarders

 

[goldandblue]

Just like Christianity, Islam can and has been bastardize by both it's believers and critics. I'm not going to get into a debate because I'm not near as informed as I used to be on the topic, but....

1) The Qur'an talks about fighting the infidel in a defensive posture, and as the non-aggressor... If it is in a defensive posture, then they should indeed slay them.
2) Jihad in itself does not translate to holy war. The oldest and most basic meaning of it is "struggle"
3) Basic Islamic belief includes the "Oneness of Mankind" (I think that's what it's called). It states basically that everyone is equal, and Muslims are required to respect the dignity of mankind, regardless of religion, race, etc....

Just like our Crusades which were masked with.... fill in the blank....


That said, these extremist are bat-sheite crazy and need to be exterminated...

I'm tired of 3 things.....

1)People that say this is not a war against countries, only fundamental extremist.... The US (and allies) should put the world on notice that if you support these extremist, harbor terrorist, or in any way fail to wage internal war on them,,,,,,, you will be bombed back to the stoneage... (and we will not rebuild you with US dollars)
2)People that say securing your borders is racist.... . We need to lock them down and protect ourselves (economically, and from terrorist). Let people in that are willing to go through the process the right way..
3)We need to embrace all cultures and ways of life.... and make it easy on all that want to come to the US... Well F that. The US was created with some very basic, and some very good principles... If you don't like them, F off. If you don't like them, don't come.... If you don't like them, get the F out. I'm tired of feeling that I need to learn another language to live here... I'm tired of the PC revolution... I'm tired of seeing prayer, basic US tradition, and nationalism flushed down the crapper at new levels every single day...

+1

 

[Fbolt]

Maybe France will finally rejoin us

Concur


It was absolutely a matter of time before something like this happened. Would not be surprised if it's NOT over.

 

[HoustonNDFan]

Not wishing for any more innocent people to be killed or injured, but I hope ISIS keeps their word about trying to carry out attacks in Russia soon. If they go that far, I have a feeling Putin will put one hell of a hurting on them and not care about playing "by the rules" like the rest of the nations currently fighting them. Sadly, that will probably also cause more strained relations between the US and Russia.

 

[ickythump1225]

I feel for the families and victims of these attacks. I feel sorry for the people who have been hurt because their leaders are treasonous, spineless, cowards who have sold their nation and their ancestors down the river for some insane feel-good left wing ideology.

Unfortunately I don't think this kind of stuff is over in Europe, but rather just beginning. When you let thousands of "refugees" pour into your nations without any check on them this is the logical result. This is the bed that Europe has made for herself, and now she must lie in it.

 

[MNIrishman]

Just like Christianity, Islam can and has been bastardize by both it's believers and critics. I'm not going to get into a debate because I'm not near as informed as I used to be on the topic, but....

1) The Qur'an talks about fighting the infidel in a defensive posture, and as the non-aggressor... If it is in a defensive posture, then they should indeed slay them.
2) Jihad in itself does not translate to holy war. The oldest and most basic meaning of it is "struggle"
3) Basic Islamic belief includes the "Oneness of Mankind" (I think that's what it's called). It states basically that everyone is equal, and Muslims are required to respect the dignity of mankind, regardless of religion, race, etc....

Just like our Crusades which were masked with.... fill in the blank....


That said, these extremist are bat-sheite crazy and need to be exterminated...

I'm tired of 3 things.....

1)People that say this is not a war against countries, only fundamental extremist.... The US (and allies) should put the world on notice that if you support these extremist, harbor terrorist, or in any way fail to wage internal war on them,,,,,,, you will be bombed back to the stoneage... (and we will not rebuild you with US dollars)
2)People that say securing your borders is racist.... . We need to lock them down and protect ourselves (economically, and from terrorist). Let people in that are willing to go through the process the right way..
3)We need to embrace all cultures and ways of life.... and make it easy on all that want to come to the US... Well F that. The US was created with some very basic, and some very good principles... If you don't like them, F off. If you don't like them, don't come.... If you don't like them, get the F out. I'm tired of feeling that I need to learn another language to live here... I'm tired of the PC revolution... I'm tired of seeing prayer, basic US tradition, and nationalism flushed down the crapper at new levels every single day...

The Crusades were a response to Islamic expansionism. At that time, Islam was a very young concept, and yet had spawned warlords who conquered the Arabian peninsula, the Sinai, North Africa, Iberia, and Byzantium in just a couple hundred years, forcing conversion as they went. Constantinople, is, of course, called Istanbul today because of those violent conquests and those conquered lands are 99% religiously homogenous because religious dissent (apostasy and proselytization) are death penalty level crimes in the Quran. Islam's military expansion into Europe wasn't halted until Charles Martel defeated the Umayyad Caliphate in the Battle of Tours in 732, while peace on the Eastern front didn't occur until the Ottomans sacked Constantinople in the 15th century, completing the fall of the Holy Roman Empire. When Mecca and Medina fall to a Christian army (as ludicrous as that sounds), we can start saying there's an equal history of violence.

Of course, non-Muslims aren't permitted in or near those cities because Quranic theocracy doesn't particularly like multiculturalism.

Sorry about the rant; I just don't like when the Crusades are mentioned as though the Catholic Church decided to field a massive army and invade lands that had been under Muslim control for thousands of years. It's like if Canada decided to take the Northeast militarily then we tried to recapture Boston, and were always discussed as the aggressors in history books.

 

[Jason Pham]

I feel for the families and victims of these attacks. I feel sorry for the people who have been hurt because their leaders are treasonous, spineless, cowards who have sold their nation and their ancestors down the river for some insane feel-good left wing ideology.

Unfortunately I don't think this kind of stuff is over in Europe, but rather just beginning. When you let thousands of "refugees" pour into your nations without any check on them this is the logical result. This is the bed that Europe has made for herself, and now she must lie in it.

Do you know what kind of laws and policies France has with respect to Muslims and the practice of their religion in public spaces? Do you know that the perpetrators of these attacks are the same people from whom these "refugees" (your quotations) are running? Let's not pretend for a second that the French have not attempted to assimilate, even if forcefully, immigrant populations into their culture and nation and let's not pretend for even less than that second that having even the most spineless and cowardly of leaders remotely warrants, and no less should be a "logical result" for, this sort of destruction of human life.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Death toll to 158.

8 extremists killed.