Terror Attacks in Belgium

[Booslum31]

I wasn't suggesting that he dump France out of fear. He should dump France because French people are arrogant assholes.

Yes...this!

 

[kmoose]

Yeah Malta is pretty nice too Did you open a bank account there, stash a few euro's?

No. I was there for work......... on x-ray equipment at the airport....... but for Customs, not passenger screening. They set us up just behind baggage claim, where the bags are actually loaded onto the baggage claim carousels. We were right next to a very large, very angry, very aggressive Customs German Shepherd drug dog. He was NOT happy to have us "in his space", and I'm quite sure he would have eaten us both, if we had been dumb enough to wander into the area he could reach while on his chain. So while I was not able to stash some euros, I did manage not to get eaten by a beast.

 

[calvegas04]

Brussels is a dire, depressing city anyways, get on the train and head up to Brugges and skip Brussels, if you missus loves shopping hit up Antwerp. Have gone on beer holidays in Belgium many times and had great trips but have always spent little time in Brussels

+1 Brugges is beautiful and somewhere I would love to get back to someday

 

[calvegas04]

 

[dublinirish]

+1 Brugges is beautiful and somewhere I would love to get back to someday

Most definitely. Have been there for summer and then for the winter christmas markets and have loved the experience both times. It's really a special town.

 

[dales5050]

Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again - Common Word, Common Lord[/url]

Wanted to pick up this conversation on this point.

In Norway back in October of 2013, 'moderate' Muslims held 'peace conference' and this video is from that conference.

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The video really kicks it up an notch around the 2 minute mark when the speaker asks the 'moderate' Muslims at the conference if they agree with such things as stoning to death for adultery.

Interesting enough, the speaker goes to great effort to make the point that those in the room who think stoning a women to death for adultery are NOT Muslim extremists.

Here is a write up from a Muslim blog. Not a media outlet but a blog.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...-islam-while-supporting-stoning-for-adultery/


So the take away here is...

Blow up a building = Muslim Extremist.
Stone a woman to death = Average Muhammad Muslim.




The challenge for people like yourself is you apply a Western spectrum to everyone. When they say they are not extreme and do not support terrorism...you take that as they are not extreme to what you define as extreme. Yet you don't grasp that many, if not most, Muslims think extreme actions to Western folks are standard and normal actions for their culture.

 

[kmoose]

So the take away here is...

Blow up a building = Muslim Extremist.
Stone a woman to death = Average Muhammad Muslim.




The challenge for people like yourself is you apply a Western spectrum to everyone. When they say they are not extreme and do not support terrorism...you take that as they are not extreme to what you define as extreme. Yet you don't grasp that many, if not most, Muslims think extreme actions to Western folks are standard and normal actions for their culture.

Have you ever been to a Muslim country?

 

[woolybug25]

Wanted to pick up this conversation on this point.

In Norway back in October of 2013, 'moderate' Muslims held 'peace conference' and this video is from that conference.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/EYAcLudBbhg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The video really kicks it up an notch around the 2 minute mark when the speaker asks the 'moderate' Muslims at the conference if they agree with such things as stoning to death for adultery.

Interesting enough, the speaker goes to great effort to make the point that those in the room who think stoning a women to death for adultery are NOT Muslim extremists.

Here is a write up from a Muslim blog. Not a media outlet but a blog.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...-islam-while-supporting-stoning-for-adultery/


So the take away here is...

Blow up a building = Muslim Extremist.
Stone a woman to death = Average Muhammad Muslim.




The challenge for people like yourself is you apply a Western spectrum to everyone. When they say they are not extreme and do not support terrorism...you take that as they are not extreme to what you define as extreme. Yet you don't grasp that many, if not most, Muslims think extreme actions to Western folks are standard and normal actions for their culture.

I would like to hear your answer to kmoose's comment above.

Furthermore, you do realize that there are muslim cultures all over the world, right? What is acceptable in Syria isn't necessarily acceptable in Indonesia. This is where "people like you" (if you're going to randomly lump me into an ideology, don't bitch when I do it back to you) misconstrue middle eastern cultures with Islam as a whole. There are literally billions of muslims worldwide, and you want the rest of us to believe that every single one of them is radical, morally reprehensible, terrorist. That's simply absurd.

 

[GoldenDomer]

And just like that, the threat stops!

 

[IrishLax]

Bonusquote: op Amsterdamse scholen zijn leerlingen aan het juichen vanwege aanslagen | ThePostOnline

Don't know if people caught this news story, but it seems to be verified at this point. Basically, "normal" Muslims cheering the terrorist attacks and then the police showed up and told him not to tweet about that.

 

[nlroma1o]

Bonusquote: op Amsterdamse scholen zijn leerlingen aan het juichen vanwege aanslagen | ThePostOnline

Don't know if people caught this news story, but it seems to be verified at this point. Basically, "normal" Muslims cheering the terrorist attacks and then the police showed up and told him not to tweet about that.

Is there any news outlets in Europe reporting this at all? Is there anyone else on Twitter over there talking about this?

 

[dales5050]

I would like to hear your answer to kmoose's comment above.

Can you link to the question or post it. Not sure what you're referencing.

Furthermore, you do realize that there are muslim cultures all over the world, right? What is acceptable in Syria isn't necessarily acceptable in Indonesia.

You do realize that this video was shot in Norway right? Not Syria. Not Iraq. Norway.

The terror attacks yesterday were in Belgium....

There were terror attacks last year in Paris....

Are you familiar with Anjem Choudary? He is based out of London. Heads up Al-Muhajiroun, an anti-Western Muslim group in Europe.

To put it another way, there is a massive amount of evidence that supports the claim that 'radical' Islam exists in every corner of the world.

What you fail to see, and what the video shows, is that these groups that 'we' consider radical don't think they are. They, in some abstraction, think there is a difference between stoning a woman to death and flying a plane into a building. The former they think is just how Islam works. The latter they agree is terrorism.

This is where "people like you" (if you're going to randomly lump me into an ideology, don't bitch when I do it back to you) misconstrue middle eastern cultures with Islam as a whole. There are literally billions of muslims worldwide, and you want the rest of us to believe that every single one of them is radical, morally reprehensible, terrorist. That's simply absurd.

I never said every muslim was radical. For me, radical means you are willing to go blow up a building in the name of in the name of Muhammad. I never said every Muslim was a terrorist either.

That said, I personally think that while many Muslims are not active in doing bad...I think they are just as dangerous in being inactive in preventing bad things.

Let me put it to you another way. Take this group of 4 types:

Person A - Joins the KKK and is willing to kill or hurt blacks based on his/her belief structure.

Person B - Is not an active member of a group like the KKK, does not have the motivation to act on his/her feelings but does spew hatred online and in person. Not always but often enough and when doing so does these things with those of like minds.

Person C - Is not an active member of a group like the KKK and does not express publicly his/her feelings towards blacks but internally at best expresses indifference towards racism and at worst is happy to see racist actions take place.​

Are all of these people not racists by definition? Just because they don't put a massive bullseye on their back does not mean they are not inherently morally reprehensible folks for how they think.


You could draw the same lines for Christians on the topic of Gay Rights...

Person A - Goes out and protests Pride. Actively goes out of their way to collect signatures to create legislation.

Person B - Gives money to efforts against the Gay community. Talks about God and agrees what their preacher told them about 'Teh Gays' in Church and talks about 'Family Values' on Facebook.

Person C - Is not public on any of this but when there is a chance to vote for legislation against 'Teh Gays' they see no issue in doing so.​

All of these people are bigots.

 

[kmoose]

Can you link to the question or post it. Not sure what you're referencing.

Have you ever been to a Muslim country?

 

[dales5050]

Have you ever been to a Muslim country?

Just what is a Muslim country? Are you going off the majority of the population being of a specific faith or are you going off who actually runs the political structure?

 

[IrishLax]

Is there any news outlets in Europe reporting this at all? Is there anyone else on Twitter over there talking about this?

Yeah, there are a few news outlets that reported it. I was skeptical, but based on what I read today the initial reporting from yesterday was confirmed with a couple tweaks to the story.

The only part of the story that is interesting is the police showing up to tell him not to tweet that. Apparently it's standard operating procedure up there and for awhile now they've been harassing anyone who posts "anti-Muslim" tweets for causing "unrest." I hadn't heard about that till now, but there are many articles on it.

 

[kmoose]

Just what is a Muslim country? Are you going off the majority of the population being of a specific faith or are you going off who actually runs the political structure?

What countries have you been to, that you consider Muslim?

 

[dales5050]

What countries have you been to, that you consider Muslim?

I consider a 'Muslim Country' as one that is run under Sharia Law. I have not and will not go to these nations.

 

[kmoose]

I consider a 'Muslim Country' as one that is run under Sharia Law. I have not and will not go to these nations.

So only the most extreme examples are Muslim countries, and you have never been to one.....

But you think you know that:

Yet you don't grasp that many, if not most, Muslims think extreme actions to Western folks are standard and normal actions for their culture.

With all due respect; you don't know jacksh!t about Muslims, other than what you think you know from reading a book or an article, or watching TV and movies. I've worked in Jordan, Egypt, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Bosnia, and Serbia. All countries with majority, or very significant, Muslim populations. I can tell you that many, if not most, Muslims don't give a flying fvck what is happening in the West. They are merely trying to scratch out a meager living in their own country. They welcomed us in each and every one of these places. From our government contacts, to the hotel people, to the restaurant worker, to the shopkeepers, to the average person on the street; they were friendly, polite, respectful, and helpful to us. They laughed with us, they took meals with us, they didn't get the least bit upset or uppity about us ordering wine with dinner, and they even had us into their own homes in some cases.

 

[dublinirish]

I consider a 'Muslim Country' as one that is run under Sharia Law. I have not and will not go to these nations.

lol. it's their loss i am sure

 

[dales5050]

So only the most extreme examples are Muslim countries, and you have never been to one.....

With all due respect; you don't know jacksh!t about Muslims, other than what you think you know from reading a book or an article, or watching TV and movies. I've worked in Jordan, Egypt, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Bosnia, and Serbia. All countries with majority, or very significant, Muslim populations. I can tell you that many, if not most, Muslims don't give a flying fvck what is happening in the West. They are merely trying to scratch out a meager living in their own country. They welcomed us in each and every one of these places. From our government contacts, to the hotel people, to the restaurant worker, to the shopkeepers, to the average person on the street; they were friendly, polite, respectful, and helpful to us. They laughed with us, they took meals with us, they didn't get the least bit upset or uppity about us ordering wine with dinner, and they even had us into their own homes in some cases.

So let me get this straight. If you are someone who say goes to Dubai on Business you all of a sudden become an expert on the Muslim faith? Does someone need to go to North Korea in order to speak to communism or understand the state under dictatorship?

Will all due respect, you opinion is is one of the dumbest things I have read online this month and I am on reddit most days. Being indifferent on something is not equal to being against something.

I will add, it also add a comment on how naive you come off. What people SAY and DO are often different than what they THINK and BELIEVE. Even further, what people SAY and DO are often based on who they are around. This point you seem to want to ignore. Were you expecting a couple of slides on a jihad in your business meeting while in Egypt? GMAFB.


Reminds me of a story of my recent move to North Carolina. We moved here but had friends here already. Made it easier as we often went to BBQs by friends or friends of friends.

Now we moved to the outskirts of Charlotte for a larger house/yard and better schools. 15 years ago this area was pretty rural.

Anyways, at a BBQ at a friend of a friend. Nice enough event. Met some really good people. One guy was a HS friend of the person who was hosting. Was talking to the host and this guy walked up. The three of us start shooting the shit.

Found out he worked for a large commercial developer in sales/project management. Found out he went to the Baptist Church around the corner. Found out he coached his daughters soccer team. Seemed like a nice enough guy.

Until the conversation moved to school redistricting. He then jumped on the chance to suggest he really was concerned that those n****s didn't get bused into their assigned school or that his daughter would have to go to one of their schools.

Maybe he had one too many beers. Maybe he didn't have his 'Christian' hat on that he puts on every Sunday when he goes to Church. Maybe he didn't have the same mindset as he did at his job. Or maybe, just maybe, he forgot he was speaking someone who didn't grow up in the rural South.

 

[gkIrish]

With all due respect; you don't know jacksh!t about Muslims, other than what you think you know from reading a book or an article, or watching TV and movies. I've worked in Jordan, Egypt, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Bosnia, and Serbia. All countries with majority, or very significant, Muslim populations. I can tell you that many, if not most, Muslims don't give a flying fvck what is happening in the West. They are merely trying to scratch out a meager living in their own country. They welcomed us in each and every one of these places. From our government contacts, to the hotel people, to the restaurant worker, to the shopkeepers, to the average person on the street; they were friendly, polite, respectful, and helpful to us. They laughed with us, they took meals with us, they didn't get the least bit upset or uppity about us ordering wine with dinner, and they even had us into their own homes in some cases.

I'm not commenting at all on your opinions but your statement regarding Serbia is not true. Serbia is almost entirely Eastern Orthodox. They have a small 3% minority of Muslims.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm not commenting at all on your opinions but your statement regarding Serbia is not true. Serbia is almost entirely Eastern Orthodox. They have a small 3% minority of Muslims.

I think he might have gotten it mixed up with Kosovo, which is 92% muslim.

 

[kmoose]

So let me get this straight. If you are someone who say goes to Dubai on Business you all of a sudden become an expert on the Muslim faith?

I didn't take one trip to one Muslim country and suddenly proclaim to be an expert. I merely pointed out that I have enough time around "everyday" Muslims, that have grown up and still live in the "group think" of Muslim culture, to know that your statement was complete bullsh!t.

Does someone need to go to North Korea in order to speak to communism or understand the state under dictatorship?

No. But if you are going to offer an opinion on everyday life in North Korea, and how North Koreans view the West, you might want to have actually visited North Korea and interacted with some North Koreans. Sounds kind of logical, huh?

Will all due respect, you opinion is is one of the dumbest things I have read online this month and I am on reddit most days. Being indifferent on something is not equal to being against something.

You don't read your own posts, huh? That would explain the glaring uncorrected typos at least.

I will add, it also add a comment on how naive you come off. What people SAY and DO are often different than what they THINK and BELIEVE. Even further, what people SAY and DO are often based on who they are around. This point you seem to want to ignore. Were you expecting a couple of slides on a jihad in your business meeting while in Egypt? GMAFB.

naïve, eh? "Showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment."

My opinions of Muslims and their views of Westerners comes from actual experience with actual Muslims in actual countries that have Muslim history. Yours comes from reddit. Who do you think has more experience?

Reminds me of a story of my recent move to North Carolina. We moved here but had friends here already. Made it easier as we often went to BBQs by friends or friends of friends.

Now we moved to the outskirts of Charlotte for a larger house/yard and better schools. 15 years ago this area was pretty rural.

Anyways, at a BBQ at a friend of a friend. Nice enough event. Met some really good people. One guy was a HS friend of the person who was hosting. Was talking to the host and this guy walked up. The three of us start shooting the shit.

Found out he worked for a large commercial developer in sales/project management. Found out he went to the Baptist Church around the corner. Found out he coached his daughters soccer team. Seemed like a nice enough guy.

Until the conversation moved to school redistricting. He then jumped on the chance to suggest he really was concerned that those n****s didn't get bused into their assigned school or that his daughter would have to go to one of their schools.

Maybe he had one too many beers. Maybe he didn't have his 'Christian' hat on that he puts on every Sunday when he goes to Church. Maybe he didn't have the same mindset as he did at his job. Or maybe, just maybe, he forgot he was speaking someone who didn't grow up in the rural South.

I used to live in Hickory, so your North Carolina story is nothing new to me. I've been there, done that. Do I think that every Muslim in the Middle East/Eastern Europe loves Americans? Of course not. But the hate for, and extremism against, America is NOWHERE NEAR as prevalent as most Americans think it is.

 

[dales5050]

I didn't take one trip to one Muslim country and suddenly proclaim to be an expert. I merely pointed out that I have enough time around "everyday" Muslims, that have grown up and still live in the "group think" of Muslim culture, to know that your statement was complete bullsh!t.

Ya. I guess there must be some secret society in nations like Jordan, which for example produces about 315 ISIS fighters per million, that is outside of Islam. Must be a different type of book club.

Let me guess, you didn't see any of those folks right? Or did you miss those slides in the powerpoint?

If radical and extreme Muslims are at the tip of a pyramid, they need to be supported by something. If Muslims in these peaceful nations are being converted to become ISIS fighters, there is some sort of secondary network of recruiters that exist. If these recruiters exist they are going to need to be tolerated by many in order to isolate the few who can be converted. All of these people are culpable.

If you're just wanting to refuse to see that...I just don't know what to say.

Walking by a guy who was just lynched and not saying anything doesn't removal you from the problem. In fact, it's the silence that allows the lynching to happen in the first place and keeping your mouth shut doesn't mean you're not a racist.

No. But if you are going to offer an opinion on everyday life in North Korea, and how North Koreans view the West, you might want to have actually visited North Korea and interacted with some North Koreans. Sounds kind of logical, huh?

I'll take math and money over inferred logics for $1000 Alex.

You don't read your own posts, huh? That would explain the glaring uncorrected typos at least.

Ah the typos. Ya. I have them. No. I don't bother to fix. But I would rather have a typo done on accident than to state something as fact and look like an asshole or moron when corrected. See. Serbia.

I'll try to do a better job of my typos and errors for you.

naïve, eh? "Showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment."

My opinions of Muslims and their views of Westerners comes from actual experience with actual Muslims in actual countries that have Muslim history. Yours comes from reddit. Who do you think has more experience?

You're naive because you are taking things at face value because that fits the story you want to tell.

I know that ISIS fighters and funding come from all over the globe. Including the US and the nations you mention, where they supposedly have no interest in such things. I know that in order for this to happen, people either have to look the other way or be so worried about what the PC police will think of them to say out loud that something is going on.

I know that when you allow a group of people to put women as a second class because some book tells them it's OK to do so...it's an eventuality that people who are not in their right mind will explore other topics of that book to act out on.

But maybe if you're one of those folks who thinks some dude turned water into wine and crawled out of a cave it's a bit difficult to see this.

I used to live in Hickory, so your North Carolina story is nothing new to me. I've been there, done that. Do I think that every Muslim in the Middle East/Eastern Europe loves Americans? Of course not. But the hate for, and extremism against, America is NOWHERE NEAR as prevalent as most Americans think it is.

The hate exists to the point where people are walking into buildings and blowing up shit. That's too much hate to just let happen. But that's not the real problem I have.

The real problem I have is that when people do walk into a subway and set of a bomb killing people in the name of Allah, or Jesus for that matter, people don't wake the fuck up and say maybe living our lives by these ancient works of fiction is not the best idea. That's my problem.

 

[kmoose]

I'm not commenting at all on your opinions but your statement regarding Serbia is not true. Serbia is almost entirely Eastern Orthodox. They have a small 3% minority of Muslims.

Well, 3% is over 200,000 Muslims. It's certainly not a majority, but 200,000 people is significant.

 

[kmoose]

Ya. I guess there must be some secret society in nations like Jordan, which for example produces about 315 ISIS fighters per million, that is outside of Islam. Must be a different type of book club.

Let me guess, you didn't see any of those folks right? Or did you miss those slides in the powerpoint?

If radical and extreme Muslims are at the tip of a pyramid, they need to be supported by something. If Muslims in these peaceful nations are being converted to become ISIS fighters, there is some sort of secondary network of recruiters that exist. If these recruiters exist they are going to need to be tolerated by many in order to isolate the few who can be converted. All of these people are culpable.

If you're just wanting to refuse to see that...I just don't know what to say.

Walking by a guy who was just lynched and not saying anything doesn't removal you from the problem. In fact, it's the silence that allows the lynching to happen in the first place and keeping your mouth shut doesn't mean you're not a racist.



I'll take math and money over inferred logics for $1000 Alex.



Ah the typos. Ya. I have them. No. I don't bother to fix. But I would rather have a typo done on accident than to state something as fact and look like an asshole or moron when corrected. See. Serbia.

I'll try to do a better job of my typos and errors for you.



You're naive because you are taking things at face value because that fits the story you want to tell.

I know that ISIS fighters and funding come from all over the globe. Including the US and the nations you mention, where they supposedly have no interest in such things. I know that in order for this to happen, people either have to look the other way or be so worried about what the PC police will think of them to say out loud that something is going on.

I know that when you allow a group of people to put women as a second class because some book tells them it's OK to do so...it's an eventuality that people who are not in their right mind will explore other topics of that book to act out on.

But maybe if you're one of those folks who thinks some dude turned water into wine and crawled out of a cave it's a bit difficult to see this.




The hate exists to the point where people are walking into buildings and blowing up shit. That's too much hate to just let happen. But that's not the real problem I have.

The real problem I have is that when people do walk into a subway and set of a bomb killing people in the name of Allah, or Jesus for that matter, people don't wake the fuck up and say maybe living our lives by these ancient works of fiction is not the best idea. That's my problem.

First off........ I'm not sitting in meetings listening to power point presentations, so stuff your ivory tower crap. I'm at the border crossings, working on security screening equipment. I've talked to the Border Guards in Jordan, and asked them about Israel. Their response? "You say Israel, I say Palestine.". My experiences are just that.......... mine. They may not be representative of the entirety of the country. But they are enough to know that you don't have a fvcking clue what the "average Muslim" in one of these countries thinks about what is extreme or just part of their religion. That was your statement.......... "those people don't see it as extreme because it is just something that is part of their life"(paraphrased). You apparently got all that from talking to a Baptist racist at a barbecue outside of Charlotte, NC. It sounds like you are in really good company. Ignorance amongst the ignorant. Keep on being ignorant. But don't try to tell an Eskimo what the weather is like in the Arctic. What you are doing is no different from the radical imams who tell their followers that all Americans are either pedophiles, drug addicts, or gang bangers.

 

[NDohio]

Let me put it to you another way. Take this group of 4 types:

Person A - Joins the KKK and is willing to kill or hurt blacks based on his/her belief structure.

Person B - Is not an active member of a group like the KKK, does not have the motivation to act on his/her feelings but does spew hatred online and in person. Not always but often enough and when doing so does these things with those of like minds.

Person C - Is not an active member of a group like the KKK and does not express publicly his/her feelings towards blacks but internally at best expresses indifference towards racism and at worst is happy to see racist actions take place.​

Are all of these people not racists by definition? Just because they don't put a massive bullseye on their back does not mean they are not inherently morally reprehensible folks for how they think.


You could draw the same lines for Christians on the topic of Gay Rights...

Person A - Goes out and protests Pride. Actively goes out of their way to collect signatures to create legislation.

Person B - Gives money to efforts against the Gay community. Talks about God and agrees what their preacher told them about 'Teh Gays' in Church and talks about 'Family Values' on Facebook.

Person C - Is not public on any of this but when there is a chance to vote for legislation against 'Teh Gays' they see no issue in doing so.​

All of these people are bigots.

It is obvious by these comments that you don't like people that judge other people harshly based upon their race or how they live their lives. Good for you!

Found out he worked for a large commercial developer in sales/project management. Found out he went to the Baptist Church around the corner. Found out he coached his daughters soccer team. Seemed like a nice enough guy.

Until the conversation moved to school redistricting. He then jumped on the chance to suggest he really was concerned that those n****s didn't get bused into their assigned school or that his daughter would have to go to one of their schools.

Maybe he had one too many beers. Maybe he didn't have his 'Christian' hat on that he puts on every Sunday when he goes to Church. Maybe he didn't have the same mindset as he did at his job. Or maybe, just maybe, he forgot he was speaking someone who didn't grow up in the rural South.

Again - good for you for not wanting this guy to judge people based upon their race. You are right, he shouldn't do that.

Ya. I guess there must be some secret society in nations like Jordan, which for example produces about 315 ISIS fighters per million, that is outside of Islam. Must be a different type of book club.

Let me guess, you didn't see any of those folks right? Or did you miss those slides in the powerpoint?

If radical and extreme Muslims are at the tip of a pyramid, they need to be supported by something. If Muslims in these peaceful nations are being converted to become ISIS fighters, there is some sort of secondary network of recruiters that exist. If these recruiters exist they are going to need to be tolerated by many in order to isolate the few who can be converted. All of these people are culpable.

If you're just wanting to refuse to see that...I just don't know what to say.

Walking by a guy who was just lynched and not saying anything doesn't removal you from the problem. In fact, it's the silence that allows the lynching to happen in the first place and keeping your mouth shut doesn't mean you're not a racist.



I'll take math and money over inferred logics for $1000 Alex.



Ah the typos. Ya. I have them. No. I don't bother to fix. But I would rather have a typo done on accident than to state something as fact and look like an asshole or moron when corrected. See. Serbia.

I'll try to do a better job of my typos and errors for you.



You're naive because you are taking things at face value because that fits the story you want to tell.

I know that ISIS fighters and funding come from all over the globe. Including the US and the nations you mention, where they supposedly have no interest in such things. I know that in order for this to happen, people either have to look the other way or be so worried about what the PC police will think of them to say out loud that something is going on.

I know that when you allow a group of people to put women as a second class because some book tells them it's OK to do so...it's an eventuality that people who are not in their right mind will explore other topics of that book to act out on.

But maybe if you're one of those folks who thinks some dude turned water into wine and crawled out of a cave it's a bit difficult to see this.




The hate exists to the point where people are walking into buildings and blowing up shit. That's too much hate to just let happen. But that's not the real problem I have.

The real problem I have is that when people do walk into a subway and set of a bomb killing people in the name of Allah, or Jesus for that matter, people don't wake the fuck up and say maybe living our lives by these ancient works of fiction is not the best idea. That's my problem.

Ooops - now that I have read all of your posts, it's just so obvious to me. We shouldn't judge people based on their race or their sexuality but we should judge them based on their religion. Got it. Because all Muslims are terrorists and all Christians are racist bigots.

 

[gkIrish]

Well, 3% is over 200,000 Muslims. It's certainly not a majority, but 200,000 people is significant.

There are 3.3 million Muslims living in America but that doesn't make any of us an authority on Islam.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just think you should remove Serbia from your list of countries.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Ooops - now that I have read all of your posts, it's just so obvious to me. We shouldn't judge people based on their race or their sexuality but we should judge them based on their religion. Got it. Because all Muslims are terrorists and all Christians are racist bigots.

Paging Sam Harris.

 

[kmoose]

There are 3.3 million Muslims living in America but that doesn't make any of us an authority on Islam.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just think you should remove Serbia from your list of countries.

Why? The list was not something that makes me an expert on Islam. Nor did I present it as such. It is simply a list of places that I have spent time, where I ran into Muslims who live amongst other Muslims in large enough numbers to maintain a Muslim "group think" influence.

Also, people seem to be trying to characterize this as something it is not. Dales made a demonstrative statement about how Muslims outside of the Western world think in regards to the West. I have spent time with Muslims from places outside of the West, and my experiences tell me that there is no doubt that dales' statement was not only wrong, but that he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. It's not about whether or not Islamic terrorism has support in non-Western Muslim countries; it does. But I have experience working and interacting with thousands of non-Western Muslims, and my experience tells me that the "average joe" over there is more worried about providing for his family than anything else.