Superconferences & Realignment

[pumpdog20]

Weird that a tiny show in Des Moines would break that. lol

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Eww!! Not a fan of moving it (even temporarily) out of BIG country… but this was probably inevitable.

Someone probably complained...its basically a Home Game for Ohio State every(ish) year

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

There has been so much complaining about the travel schedules that are about to happen with the Olympic sports and how will student athletes continue to be students. Well, take a look at last year’s field hockey schedule for Stanford. You think those players are still keeping up with their studies?

Field Hockey 2022

Field Hockey 2022

gostanford.com

Stanford is in the America East Conference for Field hockey?

It appears football and everyone else are BEHIND the curve.

 

[NDWarrior]

Maybe they can take some of this media payout $$ bonanza and put it towards school budgets because as this WSJ article highlights, Colleges Spend Like There’s No Tomorrow. ‘These Places Are Just Devouring Money.’

If you don't have a WSJ subscription, here are the article highlights:
The nation’s best-known public colleges have been on an unfettered spending spree. Over the past two decades, they erected new skylines, poured money into big-time sports programs and hired layers of administrators. Then they passed the bill along to students.

• The University of Kentucky upgraded its campus to the tune of $805,000 a day for more than a decade.
• Pennsylvania State University spent so much money that it now has a budget crisis.
• The University of Oklahoma hit students with some of the biggest tuition increases, while spending millions on a 32,000-square-foot Italian monastery for its study-abroad program.

 

[Giddyup]

Yeah something tells me tuition isn’t in line with actual university costs.

 

[NDWarrior]

I have no clue about stadium season tickets but in talking with a friend who has Raiders season tickets and now wants to get same for The Bills, I guess the trend is PSL (Private Seat License, an exorbitant fee to just have the land to build the house!) and then you pay your annual season subscription fee on top of that. Wondering if CFB is trending the same. Having season tickets is/ will be out of reach for many with this trend.

 

[Irish#1]

Something tells me the NCAA will have a...hard time allowing them to name it the "B1G D1CK" conference.

I thought I told you to show yourself out!

 

[Blazers46]

id rather go see a game in LV than frickin Indy in December

Sure, but I’d rather travel 3 hours south instead getting a plane ticket to see USC play Ohio State

 

[calvegas04]

More football in Vegas? I'm all for it

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Once the bears have an indoor stadium, the B1G title games in Indy are over permanently. This would just be a starter.

 

[Irish#1]

Dan Mullen thinks ND should have joined the Pac12 to save them. Lol

ESPN analyst thinks Notre Dame should have saved the Pac-12

When all else fails blame Notre Dame. That might not be true throughout, but it seems to be the thought process for former Florida and Mississippi State head coach Dan Mullen. Mullen is an analyst at ESPN and had a thought that he felt was worth sharing recently in regards…

fightingirishwire.usatoday.com

 

[drayer54]

id rather go see a game in LV than frickin Indy in December

Indy is beautiful in December. In a home state… where the fans are… and the team is. Indy would be perfect.

 

[greyhammer90]

Dan Mullen thinks ND should have joined the Pac12 to save them. Lol

ESPN analyst thinks Notre Dame should have saved the Pac-12

When all else fails blame Notre Dame. That might not be true throughout, but it seems to be the thought process for former Florida and Mississippi State head coach Dan Mullen. Mullen is an analyst at ESPN and had a thought that he felt was worth sharing recently in regards…

fightingirishwire.usatoday.com

I don't understand the weird obsession of other fans with ND joining a conference. We play a good schedule, we make less money, we have to go undefeated or maybe have one loss to get into the playoffs. So there's no real "on the field" advantage here. We don't have to play a conference championship game but other teams have made the playoffs without playing in one (Alabama) and those are super recent inventions of the sport. Conference championship games aren't even really going to matter (except for seeding) once the playoffs expand. The only people who should be pissy about ND not joining the sport are other university presidents and media executives, and fuck them.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I don't understand the weird obsession of other fans with ND joining a conference. We play a good schedule, we make less money, we have to go undefeated or maybe have one loss to get into the playoffs. So there's no real "on the field" advantage here. We don't have to play a conference championship game but other teams have made the playoffs without playing in one (Alabama) and those are super recent inventions of the sport. Conference championship games aren't even really going to matter (except for seeding) once the playoffs expand. The only people who should be pissy about ND not joining the sport are other university presidents and media executives, and fuck them.

It's bizarre. The other day on r/CFB, Notre Dame became public enemy number one of realignment for urging the ACC to expand.

There are four ACC members who are actively sabotaging the conference's future but the problem is Notre Dame trying to preserve it?

 

[stlnd01]

I don't understand the weird obsession of other fans with ND joining a conference. We play a good schedule, we make less money, we have to go undefeated or maybe have one loss to get into the playoffs. So there's no real "on the field" advantage here. We don't have to play a conference championship game but other teams have made the playoffs without playing in one (Alabama) and those are super recent inventions of the sport. Conference championship games aren't even really going to matter (except for seeding) once the playoffs expand. The only people who should be pissy about ND not joining the sport are other university presidents and media executives, and fuck them.

Sometimes small-minded people hate what they do not understand.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don't understand the weird obsession of other fans with ND joining a conference. We play a good schedule, we make less money, we have to go undefeated or maybe have one loss to get into the playoffs. So there's no real "on the field" advantage here. We don't have to play a conference championship game but other teams have made the playoffs without playing in one (Alabama) and those are super recent inventions of the sport. Conference championship games aren't even really going to matter (except for seeding) once the playoffs expand. The only people who should be pissy about ND not joining the sport are other university presidents and media executives, and fuck them.

If you sit down and talk with people I think the root of it is television and influence. Lots of people butthurt that ND is always on TV and has been for decades. Lots of people whine that ND has their own seat at the table with playoffs, bowls, etc.

The TV butthurt much less relevant now with streaming and such.

The haterade regarding independence comes across as sour grapes. Conferences exist for the school's benefit. If a school doesn't think being in a conference is beneficial to them, who cares?

The conferences exist now for TV deals, not for having a regional network of schools to compete in athletics.

 

[IrishLax]

It's bizarre. The other day on r/CFB, Notre Dame became public enemy number one of realignment for urging the ACC to expand.

There are four ACC members who are actively sabotaging the conference's future but the problem is Notre Dame trying to preserve it?

Notre Dame also tried to save the Big East until it became completely untenable.

Bottom line -- much like in politics, ND is the boggieman because we're largely unaffected by all of this shit and people are envious of that. They look at it like us being "other" or above them. Standard 'eat the rich' 80 IQ style stuff. Not a lot of rhyme or reason to it.

 

[NDWarrior]

Along those lines, this will never happen either... One expert calls for forming of a new conference headlined by Notre Dame and Stanford

 

[ulukinatme]

Along those lines, this will never happen either... One expert calls for forming of a new conference headlined by Notre Dame and Stanford

Swarbrick predicted that if the NCAA split into two parts, one part football factory and one part academic, Notre Dame would find itself on the academic side. Something like this new conference would be a precursor to that.

 

[stlnd01]

Along those lines, this will never happen either... One expert calls for forming of a new conference headlined by Notre Dame and Stanford

Is the writer of that story an AI bot? It was almost incomprehensible.

The funny thing is it *could* happen - but only if the ACC collapsed and, say, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Miami, maybe Duke or Wake, were looking for a home. Then you'd have enough for critical mass. But still, it won't happen because as (if I read that blather correctly) Andy Staples rightly points out, it doesn't really make $$ sense for us.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

 

[ACamp1900]

It's bizarre. The other day on r/CFB, Notre Dame became public enemy number one of realignment for urging the ACC to expand.

There are four ACC members who are actively sabotaging the conference's future but the problem is Notre Dame trying to preserve it?

All I see everywhere is how cowardly ND is,… the school standing against destroying the sport for massive money grabs are the cowards,…….

 

[thekid33]

I had a thought come to me yesterday. It truly came out of nowhere. Yet, when it came to me it came with incredible clarity.

Notre Dame should commit to fully joining the ACC.

Now, before Iprovide my logic, I want to make a few points on my own beliefs up to this point.

1) I have always thought that Notre Dame should remain independent for as long as possible.

2) I still believe that it is possible for Notre Dame to remain an Independent and be successful.

3) If/when the day came that it was no longer possible for Notre Dame to remain Independent I would have preferred (and thought it most likely) that they join the Big 10.

So, why do I now think that Notre Dame should become a full member of the ACC?

It is not because ND needs to join a conference - again, I think that they are well positioned to continue as an Independent and be successful.

It is not because I have any particular love for the ACC. Such a move would almost assuredly stabilize the future of the ACC. You could even say that it would save the ACC. But, I am not really interested in saving the ACC.

No, what I am interested in saving is some shred of college athletics as we've known them to exist. Notre Dame can do that by joining the ACC.

We've just witnessed the real-time disintegration of the Pac-12, one of the most stories conferences in college athletics. The national situation remains unstable. Stanford and Cal are currently homeless. Two prestigious academic institutions that also produce the most Olympic athletes have been told to get lost by the major conferences. Nebraska's AD is talking about future realignment and destabilization. FSU (and probably at least Clemson) would leave the ACC today if they could. Sure, the SEC says they are happy as is. But, don't think for a second they wouldn't take FSU, Clemson and possibly other schools if they were a legitimate option. They just know that they can play the long game and let the ACC implode when their current media deal expires. When that day comes the Big 10 will also poach some ACC schools. The ACC will go the way of the Pac-12 and we will be left with two super conferences (no offense, Big 12). I'm my opinion, that development would be bad for every stakeholder in college athletics, except TV executives.

Again, ND can remain Independent. ND benefits greatly from being Independent. ND will continue to benefit greatly from being Independent.

However, what's best for Notre Dame may not be what's best for college football, or even broader, what's best for college athletics at large. ND has no obligation to save college athletics. No matter what happens in the future with conference realignment, ND is powerful enough that we are going to be fine.

However, imagine a world in which Notre Dame, long scorned and reviled by so many, does exactly what so many have criticized them for not doing and does so at a critical moment in the college sports landscape. And, in the process of doing so, ND has to be recognized as the de facto savior of college athletics. It would be delicious irony.

ND joining the ACC immediately stabilizes the conference's future. Do you think FSU would leave a conference that ND was a full member of? Me either.

Therefore, four power conferences would continue to exist, a much better scenario than the otherwise seemingly inevitable day when the Big 10 and SEC have divided and conquered the college athletics world.

Since ND is in a position of power they can make some demands as part of their otherwise selfless and magnanimous decision.

1) Stanford and Cal are coming too. The ACC would instantly become a national conference, thus allowing ND to continue to play a national schedule.

2) ESPN must immediately renegotiate the conference's media deal to reflect added value of the ND brand.

3) As part of the new deal, all ND games (home and away) will be nationally broadcast.

 

[BobbyMac]

Wish I had an Athletic sub for the first time.

 

[BobbyMac]

I had a thought come to me yesterday. It truly came out of nowhere. Yet, when it came to me it came with incredible clarity.

Notre Dame should commit to fully joining the ACC.

Now, before Iprovide my logic, I want to make a few points on my own beliefs up to this point.

1) I have always thought that Notre Dame should remain independent for as long as possible.

2) I still believe that it is possible for Notre Dame to remain an Independent and be successful.

3) If/when the day came that it was no longer possible for Notre Dame to remain Independent I would have preferred (and thought it most likely) that they join the Big 10.

So, why do I now think that Notre Dame should become a full member of the ACC?

It is not because ND needs to join a conference - again, I think that they are well positioned to continue as an Independent and be successful.

It is not because I have any particular love for the ACC. Such a move would almost assuredly stabilize the future of the ACC. You could even say that it would save the ACC. But, I am not really interested in saving the ACC.

No, what I am interested in saving is some shred of college athletics as we've known them to exist. Notre Dame can do that by joining the ACC.

We've just witnessed the real-time disintegration of the Pac-12, one of the most stories conferences in college athletics. The national situation remains unstable. Stanford and Cal are currently homeless. Two prestigious academic institutions that also produce the most Olympic athletes have been told to get lost by the major conferences. Nebraska's AD is talking about future realignment and destabilization. FSU (and probably at least Clemson) would leave the ACC today if they could. Sure, the SEC says they are happy as is. But, don't think for a second they wouldn't take FSU, Clemson and possibly other schools if they were a legitimate option. They just know that they can play the long game and let the ACC implode when their current media deal expires. When that day comes the Big 10 will also poach some ACC schools. The ACC will go the way of the Pac-12 and we will be left with two super conferences (no offense, Big 12). I'm my opinion, that development would be bad for every stakeholder in college athletics, except TV executives.

Again, ND can remain Independent. ND benefits greatly from being Independent. ND will continue to benefit greatly from being Independent.

However, what's best for Notre Dame may not be what's best for college football, or even broader, what's best for college athletics at large. ND has no obligation to save college athletics. No matter what happens in the future with conference realignment, ND is powerful enough that we are going to be fine.

However, imagine a world in which Notre Dame, long scorned and reviled by so many, does exactly what so many have criticized them for not doing and does so at a critical moment in the college sports landscape. And, in the process of doing so, ND has to be recognized as the de facto savior of college athletics. It would be delicious irony.

ND joining the ACC immediately stabilizes the conference's future. Do you think FSU would leave a conference that ND was a full member of? Me either.

Therefore, four power conferences would continue to exist, a much better scenario than the otherwise seemingly inevitable day when the Big 10 and SEC have divided and conquered the college athletics world.

Since ND is in a position of power they can make some demands as part of their otherwise selfless and magnanimous decision.

1) Stanford and Cal are coming too. The ACC would instantly become a national conference, thus allowing ND to continue to play a national schedule.

2) ESPN must immediately renegotiate the conference's media deal to reflect added value of the ND brand.

3) As part of the new deal, all ND games (home and away) will be nationally broadcast.

You can't join the ACC with all of these teams leaving for the post-NCAA football world. You are just signing up to pay off the teams that don't make the cut plus ESPN.

Pay close attention to what Albert let slip above. The top 40-48 programs know what's coming.

"I believe that the next go-around - that’s my basic conclusion - will be far more disruptive than anything we’re currently engaged in. We need to prepare ourselves mentally for that”

Wouldn't surprise me if Swarbrick's the first Czar of the College Football Alliance.

 

[thekid33]

You can't join the ACC with all of these teams leaving for the post-NCAA football world. You are just signing up to pay off the teams that don't make the cut plus ESPN.

Pay close attention to what Albert let slip above. The top 40-48 programs know what's coming.

"I believe that the next go-around - that’s my basic conclusion - will be far more disruptive than anything we’re currently engaged in. We need to prepare ourselves mentally for that”

Wouldn't surprise me if Swarbrick's the first Czar of the College Football Alliance.

Yeah, if the top 40-48 schools just peace out then this is a moot point. My thought was basically that my idea is possibly the only acceptable alternative if the total breakaway doesn't happen.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

You can't join the ACC with all of these teams leaving for the post-NCAA football world. You are just signing up to pay off the teams that don't make the cut plus ESPN.

Pay close attention to what Albert let slip above. The top 40-48 programs know what's coming.

"I believe that the next go-around - that’s my basic conclusion - will be far more disruptive than anything we’re currently engaged in. We need to prepare ourselves mentally for that”

Wouldn't surprise me if Swarbrick's the first Czar of the College Football Alliance.

Yeah, the demolition of the ACC wouldn’t be that earth shattering after what we just saw in the PAC so he’s definitely talking about something else.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yeah, if the top 40-48 schools just peace out then this is a moot point. My thought was basically that my idea is possibly the only acceptable alternative if the total breakaway doesn't happen.

ND's hoping to stay indy until the exodus happens but if the B1G nails down the post NCAA tv schedule with their proposed teams, ND would be hard pressed to stay indy unless Swarbrick's threat to stay with the Academic schools wasn't lip service and came straight from Jenkins and the BOT.

It sucks that ND can basically do whatever they want. They can be a Top 5 most successful football factory or they could say, "It's been fun and go the route of the Ivy League (who won 95% of the Natty's in CFB's first 50 years) IF they do this, they might just join the ACC with the other smarty schools who aren't gonna make the cut... Stanford, Cal, Rice, Tulane, Duke, UVa and possibly Vandy/NW if they don't get invited.

We'll see.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yeah, the demolition of the ACC wouldn’t be that earth shattering after what we just saw in the PAC so he’s definitely talking about something else.

I think just the opposite, it's more than earth shattering... it's the apocalypse. The B1G and the SEC are just waiting to pick up the keepers of the disbanded ACC as soon as members figure out how (or commit to & acquire the funds necessary) to unwind the GOR.

 

[thekid33]

ND's hoping to stay indy until the exodus happens but if the B1G nails down the post NCAA tv schedule with their proposed teams, ND would be hard pressed to stay indy unless Swarbrick's threat to stay with the Academic schools wasn't lip service and came straight from Jenkins and the BOT.

It sucks that ND can basically do whatever they want. They can be a Top 5 most successful football factory or they could say, "It's been fun and go the route of the Ivy League (who won 95% of the Natty's in CFB's first 50 years) IF they do this, they might just join the ACC with the other smarty schools who aren't gonna make the cut... Stanford, Cal, Rice, Tulane, Duke, UVa and possibly Vandy/NW if they don't get invited.

We'll see.

They will do whatever keeps the most donor/ fan/alumni support.

My gut is most willing swallow losing Indy status if the alternate is becoming the Ivy's in football.