Superbowl LI

[phgreek]

Alright, how much does it bother IE folks that Brady has (unquestionably imo) dethroned Montana?

...Bothers me some. I'd be better with it if Brady dominated...but he sucked for about 3 quarters.

Not saying Brady doesn't deserve it, but Atlanta has the ball at the edge of the redzone, ready to make it 3 scores. At that point you run, run, run, kick the field goal and win the game. The Atlanta Falcons coaching staff handed this to Tom Brady. They should be ashamed.

But their stupidity lead to an historic Super Bowl, and it was fun to watch.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Congrats Atlanta, you are now the new Golden State.


Choke job.

 

[GATTACA!]

I made that one lol

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not much of a Montana fan these days, but I'm not sure you can put Brady ahead of Montana. If they played in the same era, maybe. The fact is that the rules heavily favor the offense these days, and given crap like DefalteGate and stolen plays at least some of the Patriot's championships are tainted. I'd be willing to put Brady in the same company as Montana, but he can't touch a perfect 4-0 Super Bowl record. When you look at some of the QBs Montana dueled with in Super Bowls: Elway, Marino, Boomer, that's some lofty competition given the fact few people will remember any of the teams or QBs that Brady beat.

 

[Bishop2b5]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">-Cavs come back from 3-1 down.<br>-Cubs come back from 3-1 down.<br>-Clemson came back from 14-0 down. <br>-Now Pats come back from 28-3 down.<br>WOW!</p>— Mike & Mike (@MikeAndMike) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeAndMike/status/828447688421171201">February 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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My wife turned me down every night this past week. If they can all come back like this, so can I. Looks like I'm about to have an epic freakfest the next few days.

 

[GATTACA!]

I'm not much of a Montana fan these days, but I'm not sure you can put Brady ahead of Montana. If they played in the same era, maybe. The fact is that the rules heavily favor the offense these days, and given crap like DefalteGate and stolen plays at least some of the Patriot's championships are tainted. I'd be willing to put Brady in the same company as Montana, but he can't touch a perfect 4-0 Super Bowl record. When you look at some of the QBs Montana dueled with in Super Bowls: Elway, Marino, Boomer, that's some lofty competition given the fact few people will remember any of the teams or QBs that Brady beat.

I don't understand this logic. First of all Brady has already passed him in total rings. Second, it's better to lose a super bowl than not make it there at all. Why is Brady losing to the Giants worse than Montana losing in the second round? Doesn't make any sense. If the argument is "well he always showed up on the biggest stage." Then clearly not because he didn't even show up in the game to get his team to the biggest stage.

 

[phgreek]

I don't understand this logic. First of all Brady has already passed him in total rings. Second, it's better to lose a super bowl than not make it there at all. Why is Brady losing to the Giants worse than Montana losing in the second round? Doesn't make any sense. If the argument is "well he always showed up on the biggest stage." Then clearly not because he didn't even show up in the game to get his team to the biggest stage.

...this is going to come off homerish for Montana, I know....but consider where we are.

But my thing with Brady is, the last two he got handed to him ...not by events on the field falling his way...but by coaching calls so stupid, they'll go down in history...like , so bad people will remember the Falcons and the Seahawks being the runner up...because of egregious, unforgivable, coaching gaffs ...THAT BAD.

First, Brady had no business getting the W against Seattle, but they throw it from the shadow of the goal line with Beast mode standing there with his dick in his hand. Tonight, Atlanta is in or really close to the red zone...poised to go up three scores with time CLEARLY on their side...WHY WOULD YOU EVER think of throwing the ball??? They lost ONE yard ont he first play...do it twice more and kick the field goal...and oh by the way, the back was GOUGING the patriots frequently...there was a good chance he'd have goten another first down. By the time that complete coaching equivalent to shitting the bed was over, the Falcons couldn't even try a LONG field goal...Just tragic, idiotic, moronic...you name it.

Yea Brady gets credit for being there...yea he belongs in the conversation...yea he might be the guy with the most rings...and Montana may have been the beneficiary of some on the field good fortune...but I can't recall opposing coaching staffs taking him off life support and handing him the game...not once, but twice.

Somewhere over time Brady will be considered the GOAT... but his last two are a little too fresh in my mind to say it.

 

[ulukinatme]

I don't understand this logic. First of all Brady has already passed him in total rings. Second, it's better to lose a super bowl than not make it there at all. Why is Brady losing to the Giants worse than Montana losing in the second round? Doesn't make any sense. If the argument is "well he always showed up on the biggest stage." Then clearly not because he didn't even show up in the game to get his team to the biggest stage.

Cause when Montana lost to the Giants in the post-season, it was because he was running from LT. He should have had 8 Super Bowl appearances.

 

[tadman95]

F*%k Brady....... F*%k Michigan

 

[greyhammer90]

He had 466 passing yards and his team couldn't run the ball for dick. I'm a big Brady hater but you can't say he was just "there" for this one. He put the team on his back.

 

[NDRock]

In a big game, with the game on the line, my top two guys I would want on my side are Montana and Brady. They are/were the best of their generations. If I had money on a game in the middle of September and needed my team to cover the points, I would take Peyton Manning. Best regular season QB I've ever seen.

 

[wizards8507]

I'm not much of a Montana fan these days, but I'm not sure you can put Brady ahead of Montana. If they played in the same era, maybe. The fact is that the rules heavily favor the offense these days, and given crap like DefalteGate and stolen plays at least some of the Patriot's championships are tainted. I'd be willing to put Brady in the same company as Montana, but he can't touch a perfect 4-0 Super Bowl record. When you look at some of the QBs Montana dueled with in Super Bowls: Elway, Marino, Boomer, that's some lofty competition given the fact few people will remember any of the teams or QBs that Brady beat.

Wtf 5-2 is way more impressive that 4-0. Losing a Super Bowl still adds to your legacy because you had to GET to the Super Bowl in the first place.

 

[phork]

I'm not much of a Montana fan these days, but I'm not sure you can put Brady ahead of Montana. If they played in the same era, maybe. The fact is that the rules heavily favor the offense these days, and given crap like DefalteGate and stolen plays at least some of the Patriot's championships are tainted. I'd be willing to put Brady in the same company as Montana, but he can't touch a perfect 4-0 Super Bowl record. When you look at some of the QBs Montana dueled with in Super Bowls: Elway, Marino, Boomer, that's some lofty competition given the fact few people will remember any of the teams or QBs that Brady beat.

OK another angle, if you will, Brady has done it with trash no one wanted. Welker came out of no where. Amendola, #15 who played lacrosse at PennSt? The names list at the WR position is long and uninspiring. Montana had one of the greatest receivers of all time. Not to mention Roger Craig etc etc.

As far as tainted Superbowls I'll give you the Tapegate. The Deflategate meme is so stupid I can't beleive its still talked about.

As far as the company he keeps, I am pretty sure Manning, Rodgers, Ryan (He of the MVP), etc will not soon be forgotten anytime soon. Not to mention Wilson, Favre etc.

Getting to Superbowl, as the Falcons will find out, is hard to do. Let alone multiple. So even if you lose you get like a .5 credit towards it.

 

[phork]

Cause when Montana lost to the Giants in the post-season, it was because he was running from LT. He should have had 8 Super Bowl appearances.

And when the Patriots lose to the Giants, while they didn't have LT, they had 4 guys who were in his face all day. As far as should have had 8, he didn't. He had 4 appearances. Which is 2 less than Brady. So...

 

[Irish#1]

My thoughts....

1. The Falcons inexperience came through loud and clear, especially in the second half. They played like the game was over half way through the third quarter.

2. WTF was with the play calling by the Falcons when they were in FG range?

3. In the second half, the Patriots played like they had their backs against the wall and did what they needed to do.

4. Love him or loathe him, Brady is the man.

5. I was rooting for the Falcons, but the best part of the game was the several close ups of the Falcons owner and his wife as this game was slipping away. Should have stayed in your suite.

 

[Irish#1]

Congrats Atlanta, you are now the new Golden State.


Choke job.

Must be something about pro teams from Atlanta. For years the Braves were the best team in MLB, but always found ways not to win a WS.

 

[connor_in]

#NotMySuperBowlChamps
#NotMySuperBowlMVP

Alter I posted this I went on twitter and wouldn't you know #NotMySuperBowlChamps is trending! I seriously thought I made it up (not thinking I was the only one, but jiminey crickett fellas)

https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotMySuperBowlChamps?src=tren

 

[IrishLion]

Gotta go with Brady as the GOAT after that.

Whether or not Atlanta's offense choked it away, that doesn't diminish what Brady was able to do in the second half, having his way with a very good defense, even though they knew what he was going to do. He still did it, and he did it throwing the ball to a bunch of white guys and a running back with no running game to keep ATL honest.

Brady was at the mercy of his defense and his offensive line. Both were trash in the first half, and Brady couldn't do anything about it. When Atlanta decided to help New England's D by calling the worst offense-with-a-huge-lead game of all time, and Brady's o-line started giving him time to throw, New England got rolling. He wore Atlanta's defense out.

That was literally one for the ages. The first OT Super Bowl, and the biggest Super Bowl comeback ever.

Brady's the GOAT. F*ck michigan.

Also, not sure I've ever seen a coaching staff fail harder than Atlanta's last night. They put forth the exact recipe of what NOT to do in the Super Bowl. They abandoned what they had done all year to kill teams and put them out of their misery. Instead of riding Freeman and Coleman through the third quarter and going to Julio at the right times, they got cute. Shanahan will be haunted by that game for the rest of his days.

 

[NDinBoston]

Not sure the ATL staff gets all the credit for calling a bad game. The Pats D was stopping their run and making plays in the 2nd half. SEA obviously felt that pass was their best chance and ATL felt passing was what they had to do - why? Give the Pats some credit for imposing their will on those teams.

Greeny made a good point on M&M. Name all the HOFs that Brady has won SBs with vs Montana.

Take a look at the all-time playoff and SB stats/records. Brady is in his own category in an era of huge team turnover.

 

[IrishLion]

Not sure the ATL staff gets all the credit for calling a bad game. The Pats D was stopping their run and making plays in the 2nd half. SEA obviously felt that pass was their best chance and ATL felt passing was what they had to do - why? Give the Pats some credit for imposing their will on those teams.

Greeny made a good point on M&M. Name all the HOFs that Brady has won SBs with vs Montana.

Take a look at the all-time playoff and SB stats/records. Brady is in his own category in an era of huge team turnover.

I agree with this to an extent, and I thought about it, but Atlanta was still getting 3 and 4 yards per carry with Freeman. The real problem was that they got over-reliant on the toss play and got stopped a few times that killed a series here and there, and there is absolutely no excuse to get cute and to try and throw the ball when you're in field goal range with a 16-point lead. That's all on the Atlanta coaching staff. They had New England's D over-matched, but they gave them far too much help.

 

[yankeehater]

OK another angle, if you will, Brady has done it with trash no one wanted. Welker came out of no where. Hogan, #15 who played lacrosse at PennSt? The names list at the WR position is long and uninspiring. Montana had one of the greatest receivers of all time. Not to mention Roger Craig etc etc.

As far as tainted Superbowls I'll give you the Tapegate. The Deflategate meme is so stupid I can't beleive its still talked about.

As far as the company he keeps, I am pretty sure Manning, Rodgers, Ryan (He of the MVP), etc will not soon be forgotten anytime soon. Not to mention Wilson, Favre etc.

Getting to Superbowl, as the Falcons will find out, is hard to do. Let alone multiple. So even if you lose you get like a .5 credit towards it.

FIFY

 

[yankeehater]

I would be interested to see the number of different players versus the total possible players that Brady has won SB's with. That is the difference to me. Most of the dynasty's in the past the teams had mostly the same players. I think they put a stat up, when I believe White caught the TD pass, that he was the twelve different player who has caught a TD pass from Brady in a SB. That to me is why he is by far the GOAT without a doubt.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Not sure the ATL staff gets all the credit for calling a bad game. The Pats D was stopping their run and making plays in the 2nd half. SEA obviously felt that pass was their best chance and ATL felt passing was what they had to do - why? Give the Pats some credit for imposing their will on those teams.

Greeny made a good point on M&M. Name all the HOFs that Brady has won SBs with vs Montana.

Take a look at the all-time playoff and SB stats/records. Brady is in his own category in an era of huge team turnover.

The Pats are probably the only team that could have capitalized on the mistakes, but...just run the ball. Only pass if you absolutely have to. The odds are that if they had just kneeled while in FG range they would have gone up by 11 and won the game.

Run the ball unless you absolutely have to pass. That's the lesson of the last two Pats SB wins. I hope BK, who I assume is a Pats fan, understands that lesson.

 

[IrishLion]

I hope BK, who I assume is a Pats fan, understands that lesson.

Ironically, the Pats almost blew it by calling a fade at the goal line late rather than just going to the ground right away.

Beasley probably should've got both hands on the ball when they tried to fade to Bennett.

 

[phork]

FIFY

Thanks for covering!

 

[dublinirish]

Ironically, the Pats almost blew it by calling a fade at the goal line late rather than just going to the ground right away.

Beasley probably should've got both hands on the ball when they tried to fade to Bennett.

thought that play was incredibly dumb and very un-Patriots like. It was almost like a "let's make Marty B the hero" type moment. Whole play felt very forced to me.

 

[wizards8507]

 

[ulukinatme]

Wtf 5-2 is way more impressive that 4-0. Losing a Super Bowl still adds to your legacy because you had to GET to the Super Bowl in the first place.

No one will remember any of those 5 teams Brady beat. The Seahawks were pretty good a few years ago and probably the best team the Patriots faced, but I doubt Russell Wilson is going to be in the Hall someday. Kurt Warner is the most accomplished QB Brady has outdueled, and that was in his first Super Bowl. Jake Delhomme and Donovan McNabb don't quite have the same clout as Marino, Elway, and Boomer.

OK another angle, if you will, Brady has done it with trash no one wanted. Welker came out of no where. Amendola, #15 who played lacrosse at PennSt? The names list at the WR position is long and uninspiring. Montana had one of the greatest receivers of all time. Not to mention Roger Craig etc etc.

As far as tainted Superbowls I'll give you the Tapegate. The Deflategate meme is so stupid I can't beleive its still talked about.

As far as the company he keeps, I am pretty sure Manning, Rodgers, Ryan (He of the MVP), etc will not soon be forgotten anytime soon. Not to mention Wilson, Favre etc.

Getting to Superbowl, as the Falcons will find out, is hard to do. Let alone multiple. So even if you lose you get like a .5 credit towards it.

Don't pretend like Brady always plays with scrubs. He's had his fair share of good WRs. Is Randy Moss suddenly a slouch? Gronk? Deion Branch? Even if Welker came out of no where, that doesn't mean he's not a great receiver. Brady himself was picked in the 6th round, nobody saw him destined for greatness. Just like recruiting, you'll have players that scouts will say are "can't miss" prospects that never reach their potential, and you'll have Cam McDaniels that exceed expectations once they reach the field. Bottom line: Brady has had plenty of talent to work with over the years. Maybe Moss doesn't quite add up to Jerry Rice, but I'd wager Brady has had more weapons to work with over his career. He's had some exceptional defenses backing him up on the other side of the ball too, not that Montana didn't have that luxury.

As far as the Falcons, they were a Cinderella team. They were a decent Cinderella team, but let's not forget they were 8-8 a year ago and had a losing record the two years before that. Their OC is probably leaving for a HC job, and I agree with you...I don't see them getting another invite to the SB next year. The Pats, on the other hand, are a dynasty that know how to win and how to handle up-and-comers. It shows how they were able to make halftime adjustments and completely dominate a less experienced team in the 2nd half despite a large deficit. That's kind of where I'm getting at with the whole competition argument though. Which is harder, knocking off a Cinderella team with some mostly forgettable players in the SB, or upsetting a giant with one or more future Hall of Fame players at the helm? Hell, most years Brady has been to the Super Bowl he's had tougher matchups in the AFC from the Steelers and/or the Colts when Peyton was in his prime.

 

[koonja]

Random QU but it's been a dispute on a prop bet pool. Did Luke Bryan wear cowboy shoes or dress shoes? They look to me like cowboy boots, but I certainly cannot prove it based on any picture I've seen.

 

[wizards8507]

Random QU but it's been a dispute on a prop bet pool. Did Luke Bryan wear cowboy shoes or dress shoes? They look to me like cowboy boots, but I certainly cannot prove it based on any picture I've seen.

Boots, but that's a dumbass prop bet. These are both boots and dress shoes, i.e. dress boots.