Stanford Recruiting and Everything Else

[NDohio]

Nope, can't do it, I can't want USC to win.

Plus, once USC gets blown out again, they will implode and we can put a major beating on them in LA.

 

[TheChosen1]

Stanford kills USC, then Monday Stanford gets busted for benefits and angel dust.

For some reason I think USC wins.

 

[calvegas04]

over/under on how many ref's sc players punch

 

[Classic Irish]

never root for usc... ever

This guy gets it. I'd rather have a wooden pencil inserted into my urethra than pull for southern cal. They are the lowest form of life on the planet---the ISIL of south central.

 

[MNIrishman]

This guy gets it. I'd rather have a wooden pencil inserted into my urethra than pull for southern cal. They are the lowest form of life on the planet---the ISIL of south central.

But seriously, have you seen Michigan?

 

[calvegas04]

But seriously, have you seen Michigan?

usc is #1 and michigan #2 on the lowest life meter

 

[Whiskeyjack]

usc is #1 and michigan #2 on the lowest life meter

I get that some members on this board dislike USC more for idiosyncratic reason, but no one remotely familiar with our program's history can honestly make that argument.

 

[calvegas04]

I get that some members on this board dislike USC more for idiosyncratic reason, but no one remotely familiar with our program's history can honestly make that argument.

I understand a lot of members here live in michigan but that doesn't make them our biggest rival.

 

[Rocket89]

I understand a lot of members here live in michigan but that doesn't make them our biggest rival.

USC is our biggest rival. Michigan is several orders below them on the "lowest life meter." I'm with Whiskey, this should be a consensus agreement for all Irish fans.

 

[Classic Irish]

I get that some members on this board dislike USC more for idiosyncratic reason, but no one remotely familiar with our program's history can honestly make that argument.

I'm an ND alum (class of 1992) who attended my first ND game in 1982 (before you were even born, I believe). Two of my brothers and two of my sisters are also ND grads (all older: classes of 1978, 1981, 1983, and 1988). My older siblings started attending ND games in the 1960s. We all despise southern cal.

But according to you (class of 2006), none of us are remotely familiar with our program's history. Um...yeah.

 

[Classic Irish]

USC is our biggest rival. Michigan is several orders below them on the "lowest life meter." I'm with Whiskey, this should be a consensus agreement for all Irish fans.

I've attended several game at southern cal and several at Michigan (I think 6). I've been harassed by southern cal fans but never by Michigan fans. Ohio State and Florida fans are some of the worst I've encountered. In fact, I've received more harassment from Purdue fans than Michigan fans. Don't get me wrong: I hate Michigan, but I absolutely loathe southern cal. If there were no legal repercussions, I'd burn the southern cal campus to the ground so I can piss in the ashes.

 

[Rocket89]

I've attended several game at southern cal and several at Michigan (I think 6). I've been harassed by southern cal fans but never by Michigan fans. Ohio State and Florida fans are some of the worst I've encountered. In fact, I've received more harassment from Purdue fans than Michigan fans. Don't get me wrong: I hate Michigan, but I absolutely loathe southern cal. If there were no legal repercussions, I'd burn the southern cal campus to the ground so I can piss in the ashes.

You're kind of proving the point. Your personal experiences peculiar to you trump the long history of our relationships with Michigan and USC.

We have a level of respect with USC that will never exist with Michigan.

Also, you've never been harassed by Michigan fans? And you grew up roughly from age 12 to 22 while watching the Irish win every game against USC and you feel that negatively about the Trojans? That's impressive.

 

[calvegas04]

You're kind of proving the point. Your personal experiences peculiar to you trump the long history of our relationships with Michigan and USC.

We have a level of respect with USC that will never exist with Michigan.

Also, you've never been harassed by Michigan fans? And you grew up roughly from age 12 to 22 while watching the Irish win every game against USC and you feel that negatively about the Trojans? That's impressive.

I hate everything about michigan, but usc is just on another level everything from their band to their coach and their thug players. fusc

 

[Classic Irish]

You're kind of proving the point. Your personal experiences peculiar to you trump the long history of our relationships with Michigan and USC.

We have a level of respect with USC that will never exist with Michigan.

Also, you've never been harassed by Michigan fans? And you grew up roughly from age 12 to 22 while watching the Irish win every game against USC and you feel that negatively about the Trojans? That's impressive.

Go check the relative "long" histories against southern cal and Michigan.

Our record against Michigan: 17-24-1 (42 games)
Our record against southern cal: 46-36-5 (87 games)

We've played more than twice as many games against southern cal than we have against Michigan. We have a level of respect with USC? Who's "we"? You talk about personal experience---I have no respect for that cesspool of a program. If you know anything about the rivalry, southern cal was traditionally the main target by far of ND's odium. ESPN and the media think of southern cal as a legendary college football program. All of their history is derived from teams that were bought and subsequently ended up on probation. A proud tradition, my ass.

Again, I hate Michigan. But words fails to describe my hatred for southern cal. Awful campus, awful fans, awful program. Hate 'em.

 

[Classic Irish]

I hate everything about michigan, but usc is just on another level everything from their band to their coach and their thug players. fusc

Exactly! They are an irredeemably renegade, trashy program. I attended ND in the late 1980s. The 31-30 victory over Miami was my freshman year. As much as I despised Miami and Jimmy Johnson in those days, I still would have wanted them to beat southern cal if they played each other. That's how much I hate them.

 

[Rocket89]

I hate everything about michigan, but usc is just on another level everything from their band to their coach and their thug players. fusc

Wait, you have actual feelings about Clay Helton?!!?? My goodness I'm not sure even some USC fans can remember the guys name and he's supposed to be on another level compared to Harbaugh?

 

[Rocket89]

Go check the relative "long" histories against southern cal and Michigan.

Our record against Michigan: 17-24-1 (42 games)
Our record against southern cal: 46-36-5 (87 games)

We've played more than twice as many games against southern cal than we have against Michigan. We have a level of respect with USC? Who's "we"? You talk about personal experience---I have no respect for that cesspool of a program. If you know anything about the rivalry, southern cal was traditionally the main target by far of ND's odium. ESPN and the media think of southern cal as a legendary college football program. All of their history is derived from teams that were bought and subsequently ended up on probation. A proud tradition, my ass.

Again, I hate Michigan. But words fails to describe my hatred for southern cal. Awful campus, awful fans, awful program. Hate 'em.

Where were you supposed to go with the whole citation of the series against each program? For your next history lesson may I propose speaking about the circumstances surrounding how we began to play each school? That'd be a good place to start.

And by "we" I mean the leadership of the school and its leaders. There's 90 years of respect even though we are very different.

Plus, Kelly fucking loathes Michigan and you won't see Swarbrick handing a fuck you letter to USC anytime soon.

 

[Classic Irish]

Where were you supposed to go with the whole citation of the series against each program? For your next history lesson may I propose speaking about the circumstances surrounding how we began to play each school? That'd be a good place to start.

And by "we" I mean the leadership of the school and its leaders. There's 90 years of respect even though we are very different.

Plus, Kelly fucking loathes Michigan and you won't see Swarbrick handing a fuck you letter to USC anytime soon.

You mentioned a long relationship with Michigan that somehow, at least as I read you, trumps my personal experience with southern cal. I was pointing out that the series against Michigan isn't half as long as the series against southern cal in terms of games played. Given that our relationship with southern cal is more extensive (not older, but longer in terms of contact) blows a hole in whatever claim you're trying to make. Using your criterion, ND should have a stronger rivalry with the University of Cincinnati since it's an older rivalry since we last played in 1900.

Our first game was against Michigan in 1887. We played them from 1887 to 1900; then from 1902, 1908-1909; then 1942-1943. When did we play them after the 1940s? Not until 1978. Did you know that? You probably didn't but won't admit it. We've played southern cal every year since 1926 except during WWII. If you think Michigan is our biggest rival since we played them in our first game in 1887 but really didn't play them regularly until the 1970s (yet southern cal isn't as big of a rival despite playing them virtually every year since 1926), then I don't know what to tell you.

You want to tell me about the opinion of the school and its' leaders about the southern cal vs. Michigan debate? Seriously? When did you graduate from ND? Not to be a dick, but I know for a fact that the ND administration would acknowledge southern cal to be our biggest football rival. And I know many at ND who have zero respect for southern cal. A lot of people in the athletics department know southern cal runs a dirty program historically.

Kelly hates Michigan more than southern cal? So Michigan is ND's biggest rival. Therefore, Dan Devine hated Georgia Tech more than southern cal. So by your argument Georgia Tech was our biggest rival in the late 1970s. Right, got it.

 

[BobbyMac]

I used to hate SC more than any sports entity. Then in '78, I learned Michigan was the reason SC and ND became rivals in the first place. I hate them for bringing that institution into my life.

Classic, as someone who has been going to Irish football games since before your oldest sibling was admitted, as someone who grew up in Michiana a block from the Michigan state line and as someone who lived in SoCal, I can absolutely say Michigan fans are the worst when it comes to ND's rivals. SC fans on the other hand are tied with Stanford for the lamest in major sports. Your personal experiences don't mirror what I've experienced... though I will admit Purdue fans used to be a handful at Ross-Ade, especially back in the 80's.

Personally, I dislike them both for a multitude of reasons but ND and SC are joined at the hip and as much as Irish fans want to think it's the greatest rivalry in sports, EVERY SC fan I know would gladly lose to ND EVERY year if they could beat their real rival, UCLA.

Lastly, how is it possible to have a longer rival than the team you played your first game against? Length v. frequency shouldn't be tripping up anyone on this board.

 

[calvegas04]

EVERY SC fan I know would gladly lose to ND EVERY year if they could beat their real rival, UCLA.

Not from the fans that I know, plus go on the sc website and you will see a lot that hate ND more than UCLA

 

[BobbyMac]

Not from the fans that I know, plus go on the sc website and you will see a lot that hate ND more than UCLA

I'm sure you can find them online.

In all seriousness in the last 3 years living in LA and OC I've never met ONE SC fan that said they would rather beat ND than UCLA. Makes sense, they gotta live with the ACamp's of the world 24/7/365. The Irish come to town just once every two years.

ND-SC game in my hometown is a big deal because the Trojans stay in town and practice at our HS field but ND-Michigan is a week long festival of bad blood. Facebook has made it that much worse as you can't get away from your atheist friends even when you're on the other side of the continent.

And to think, as a silly, pre-'78 child, Michigan was my "other" team. The horror.

 

[Rocket89]

You mentioned a long relationship with Michigan that somehow, at least as I read you, trumps my personal experience with southern cal. I was pointing out that the series against Michigan isn't half as long as the series against southern cal in terms of games played. Given that our relationship with southern cal is more extensive (not older, but longer in terms of contact) blows a hole in whatever claim you're trying to make. Using your criterion, ND should have a stronger rivalry with the University of Cincinnati since it's an older rivalry since we last played in 1900.

Our first game was against Michigan in 1887. We played them from 1887 to 1900; then from 1902, 1908-1909; then 1942-1943. When did we play them after the 1940s? Not until 1978. Did you know that? You probably didn't but won't admit it. We've played southern cal every year since 1926 except during WWII. If you think Michigan is our biggest rival since we played them in our first game in 1887 but really didn't play them regularly until the 1970s (yet southern cal isn't as big of a rival despite playing them virtually every year since 1926), then I don't know what to tell you.

You want to tell me about the opinion of the school and its' leaders about the southern cal vs. Michigan debate? Seriously? When did you graduate from ND? Not to be a dick, but I know for a fact that the ND administration would acknowledge southern cal to be our biggest football rival. And I know many at ND who have zero respect for southern cal. A lot of people in the athletics department know southern cal runs a dirty program historically.

Kelly hates Michigan more than southern cal? So Michigan is ND's biggest rival. Therefore, Dan Devine hated Georgia Tech more than southern cal. So by your argument Georgia Tech was our biggest rival in the late 1970s. Right, got it.

I didn't say anywhere that Michigan is our biggest rival. Please go re-read how and why this whole discussion started. In fact, I claimed that USC is our biggest rival.

 

[BGIF]

usc is #1 and michigan #2 on the lowest life meter

No.

I don't recall U$C displaying religious bigotry against Notre Dame.

I don't recall U$C campaigning for other schools to stop playing Notre Dame.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Stanford hosting the nation's top two recruits this weekend

Have Foster Sarrell and Walker Little coming for unofficial visits this weekend. I'm going to have to pull for a cancellation because I hate either team winning, especially with Stanford having the big guys on campus.

Sarell and Little both plan to take officials to Stanford at a later date. Sarell's family added they wanted to see a Cardinal game day atmosphere this fall as he'll return in January after the season.
...
David Shaw and Stanford already have two five-star commits in quarterback Davis Mills and tight end Colby Parkinson. Both will attend the game against the Trojans as well.

 

[Legacy]

USC is our biggest rival. That game and Navy's should never be dropped from our schedule.

 

[ACamp1900]

Those pointing out Michigan are doing so from the 'they are the worst' standpoint... not so much from a 'they are our single biggest rival' standpoint, there is a difference... and USC is clearly, easily, our biggest rival... I don't even think the skunkbears make the top five honestly... I mean we just recently began playing them every year and it didn't last... (thank goodness)

 

[irishog77]

Those pointing out Michigan are doing so from the 'they are the worst' standpoint... not so much from a 'they are our single biggest rival' standpoint, there is a difference... and USC is clearly, easily, our biggest rival... I don't even think the skunkbears make the top five honestly... I mean we just recently began playing them every year and it didn't last... (thank goodness)

Agreed. I don't think there is any doubt usc is our biggest rival, but michigan is the most hated.

 

[ulukinatme]

No.

I don't recall U$C displaying religious bigotry against Notre Dame.

I don't recall U$C campaigning for other schools to stop playing Notre Dame.

Right. I think the difference is USC is our rival, but Michigan is our enemy. You can respect a rival (Although there's very little there for the Trojans...certainly more respect for a team like Navy). You have no respect for a skunkbear.

 

[connor_in]

I think the two programs have one MAJOR thing in common....


FU$C

Muck Fichigan

 

[calvegas04]

Right. I think the difference is USC is our rival, but Michigan is our enemy. You can respect a rival (Although there's very little there for the Trojans...certainly more respect for a team like Navy). You have no respect for a skunkbear.

Never had any respect for usc never will they are the scum of the earth