So the Urban Meyer chase is on.

[Kingbish01]

This. ND currently has the top class in the country in 2021, and routinely recruit among the best in the nation (Top 10-15). To say UM -regardless of his character flaws- wouldn't come in here and heighten the state of ND recruiting just isn't true. He's possibly the biggest name in collegiate football, he and Saban, that sh*t sells. Add UM to what already comes with ND, and I think they recruit Top 5 annually.

I agree with you, to say that UM couldn't recruit as well at ND as he did at OSU just isn't true in my opinion. Mainly because ND offered almost all of the "studs" he landed over the years. The big difference is ND would start closing the Nick Bosa's of the world because these guys know what they are getting with a coach like Meyer. A guy that went 83-9 at OSU, multiple conference championships in multiple different conferences and 3 titles. It really is what it is, I just pray he doesn't go to USC....Because that's one game a year I can't see ND wining...I know Jim Harbaugh would agree with me...lol

 

[ulukinatme]

Clemson's classes are better, no doubt. My point was that Clemson didn't have to string together three or four top five classes to win a title, and that gave me a bit of hope b/c I do not believe ND could land a top five class year after year, i.e., Georgia under Smart. That said, I'm confident Urban could recruit the type of classes that landed Clemon a title at ND.

Think of it like this, how many near misses has ND had on elite recruits over the last five years that Urban would have locked down? Those guys the current staff missed on were ND eligible and I believe there is more than enough ND eligible talent out there to win a title. It won't be easy and Urban won't be the guy who does it, but it is possible and I hope it happens.

Sure, he's going to bring in a few more recruits, but again...recruiting is only a small part of it. Cardale Jones most definitely would have to "come to play school" if he was at ND. Joey Bosa and other players missed one game for weed under Meyer in 2015. One game, that's it. How many games would they miss at ND? They would miss a season. ND lives under a completely different set of rules compared to the football factories. It's simply not a given that a coach like Meyer would walk in here and take us to the promised land.

 

[ickythump1225]

Sure, he's going to bring in a few more recruits, but again...recruiting is only a small part of it. Cardale Jones most definitely would have to "come to play school" if he was at ND. Joey Bosa and other players missed one game for weed under Meyer in 2015. One game, that's it. How many games would they miss at ND? They would miss a season. ND lives under a completely different set of rules compared to the football factories. It's simply not a given that a coach like Meyer would walk in here and take us to the promised land.

Urban Meyer is a far superior coach to Brian Kelly. I know some homers will COPEpoast about how BK is actually just as good because one time an Urban Meyer led team got blown out by Purdue but a stacking of resumes isn't going to be kind to Kelly.

Anyways, if BK can get us two 12 win seasons I'm confident Meyer would get us over the hump.

 

[koonja]

Old Bobby Stoops to FSU? That'd be fun.

 

[ulukinatme]

Urban Meyer is a far superior coach to Brian Kelly. I know some homers will COPEpoast about how BK is actually just as good because one time an Urban Meyer led team got blown out by Purdue but a stacking of resumes isn't going to be kind to Kelly.

Anyways, if BK can get us two 12 win seasons I'm confident Meyer would get us over the hump.

Urban may be a better coach, but Urban's not coming here.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Urban may be a better coach, but Urban's not coming here.

Agreed. He would never come here. He turned us down twice. And he would a third. Like most coaches, he wants to win.

 

[ACamp1900]

Agreed. He would never come here. He turned us down twice. And he would a third. Like most coaches, he wants to win.

Damn...

 

[Wild Bill]

Sure, he's going to bring in a few more recruits, but again...recruiting is only a small part of it. Cardale Jones most definitely would have to "come to play school" if he was at ND. Joey Bosa and other players missed one game for weed under Meyer in 2015. One game, that's it. How many games would they miss at ND? They would miss a season. ND lives under a completely different set of rules compared to the football factories. It's simply not a given that a coach like Meyer would walk in here and take us to the promised land.

Again, we both agree ND is a challenge. The challenge becomes far more manageable if ND was able to recruit at a slightly higher level. You can find a great example of this on the team right now - one of our most talented receivers, Kevin Austin, is riding the bench for some unknown reason. Maybe he's playing at another school. Maybe not. Either way, his situation would be a lot easier to deal with if ND was able to sign Austin Mack, an in state guy, or Amon-Ra St Brown. They missed on both and here we are throwing screens to Finke, bless his heart.

The question is not whether Urban Meyer could win a title at ND. I wouldn't count the guy out but that's largely irrelevant given ND would never hire him. We can agree with that much. The question is whether or not there are enough "ND type" players out there to recruit at a level necessary to win a title? Given how close we are to Clemson level recruiting and the amount of misses we've had on players that were eligible, I believe that it'll be difficult but possible with the right coach. That's no knock on Kelly. He's done a great job here, especially given where the program was at when he took over.

 

[ickythump1225]

I would be curious to see a thread about people's reasons for following Notre Dame football besides "I'm an alum". Notre Dame has always done things differently and held themselves to a higher standard totally different than the football factories. For all of the posts about wanting to look the other way and hire Urban Liar with all of his baggage (which I believe would tarnish the dome and create a lot of negative PR let alone be wrong just due to his immoral character)...why follow Notre Dame and not Bama, OSU, USC, etc?

I fell in love with ND in 2005, Weis's first year. There was just something about the team that caught my attention. Prior to that I had no real CFB interest. Needless to say it's been a long 15 years.

 

[Irishize]

Old Bobby Stoops to FSU? That'd be fun.

That’s the rumor w/ an announcement coming soon.

 

[Irish YJ]

I would be curious to see a thread about people's reasons for following Notre Dame football besides "I'm an alum". Notre Dame has always done things differently and held themselves to a higher standard totally different than the football factories. For all of the posts about wanting to look the other way and hire Urban Liar with all of his baggage (which I believe would tarnish the dome and create a lot of negative PR let alone be wrong just due to his immoral character)...why follow Notre Dame and not Bama, OSU, USC, etc?

Back when I was born (70s), if you were Catholic, you were a ND fan. These days not so much. The Catholic population in the US is both decreasing and shifting which I'm sure also impacts the # of fans. Latinos represent an increasing amount of Catholics as opposed to the traditional Euro descended fans which are less and less Catholic. I'd add that even if you are Catholic, I think only 25% of those that identify, go to church weekly as opposed to 70ish% back in the 60s and 70s.

 

[tko]

That’s the rumor w/ an announcement coming soon.

FSU better hope his red headed brother doesn't latch on.

 

[koonja]

I fell in love with ND in 2005, Weis's first year. There was just something about the team that caught my attention. Prior to that I had no real CFB interest. Needless to say it's been a long 15 years.

Damn, I'm sorry about your luck. Yikes.

 

[ulukinatme]

I would be curious to see a thread about people's reasons for following Notre Dame football besides "I'm an alum". Notre Dame has always done things differently and held themselves to a higher standard totally different than the football factories. For all of the posts about wanting to look the other way and hire Urban Liar with all of his baggage (which I believe would tarnish the dome and create a lot of negative PR let alone be wrong just due to his immoral character)...why follow Notre Dame and not Bama, OSU, USC, etc?

I'm Catholic and there's always been a strong following on my mother's side starting with my grandfather. He didn't attend ND, but his son (my uncle) and his daughter-in-law met and were married there. Their children attended as well. In addition they've donated substantial money to the university, enough that they had season tickets in the gold seats from '97 till 2017. The family still gets tickets, but after their previous university rep retired, the replacement figuratively slapped them in the face and they gave up the seats and their yearly donations. They still support a scholarship on campus, but their donations have otherwise stopped. My first game was in '93 and I was in awe during my first trip to campus, I've never felt that way at another college or university. I've been to about 2-4 games every season since.

For what it's worth, I would be done with ND football if they sold out and booted Kelly for Meyer, at least while Meyer was coach and possibly longer. If we're going to stoop down to pond scum status, I could have just rooted for the hometown favorite Buckeyes while Urban was still there.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I would be curious to see a thread about people's reasons for following Notre Dame football besides "I'm an alum". Notre Dame has always done things differently and held themselves to a higher standard totally different than the football factories. For all of the posts about wanting to look the other way and hire Urban Liar with all of his baggage (which I believe would tarnish the dome and create a lot of negative PR let alone be wrong just due to his immoral character)...why follow Notre Dame and not Bama, OSU, USC, etc?

Born into it. Plain and simple.

University values align with the values I had growing up. I am also on the anti UM train unless there is some real self reflection on his part and he publicly redeems himself. I don't see that happening though.

 

[ickythump1225]

I don't really care if UM comes here. A lot of the talk of "values" and all of that is self righteous hot air considering how far the rest of the university has strayed from it's alleged Catholic values anyways.

 

[ND88]

I would be curious to see a thread about people's reasons for following Notre Dame football besides "I'm an alum". Notre Dame has always done things differently and held themselves to a higher standard totally different than the football factories. For all of the posts about wanting to look the other way and hire Urban Liar with all of his baggage (which I believe would tarnish the dome and create a lot of negative PR let alone be wrong just due to his immoral character)...why follow Notre Dame and not Bama, OSU, USC, etc?

A good question worthy of its own thread.

When people make statements that Notre Dame is a hollow version of what it claims to aspire to be, that's like saying because we are all hypocrites in life we should just give up. Notre Dame is far from being a perfect institution, but it still aspires to be greater than it's weaker moments. In fact, you could basically call that Catholicism. So, yes, it's mythology is important in the mix, because it's still aspiring to be a university that does school and football at a higher, ethical level. The problem is in the administrative separation between the two aspirations, and also that football is a brutal sport that is compounded by concussions and injuries that make young people question twice. ND sells the idea of a 40 year decision which is like encouraging basejumpers to consider staying on the ledge.

 

[loomis41973]

Why anyone thinks UM could actually be a success at ND with players who actually have to take real classes is out of their mind. Our players can't work out, practice, film study, etc, etc like the football factories who just play school.

 

[GATTACA!]

A good question worthy of its own thread.

When people make statements that Notre Dame is a hollow version of what it claims to aspire to be, that's like saying because we are all hypocrites in life we should just give up. Notre Dame is far from being a perfect institution, but it still aspires to be greater than it's weaker moments. In fact, you could basically call that Catholicism. So, yes, it's mythology is important in the mix, because it's still aspiring to be a university that does school and football at a higher, ethical level. The problem is in the administrative separation between the two aspirations, and also that football is a brutal sport that is compounded by concussions and injuries that make young people question twice. ND sells the idea of a 40 year decision which is like encouraging basejumpers to consider staying on the ledge.

So let's hire UM and together we can strive to be better.

Amen.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'll make a wager with anyone, first come first served: ND will not hire Urban Meyer in the next 5 years. I originally said I'd set this bet all the way up to "never hired at ND," but I'd like to get paid before the board shuts down. I'll stake all my vBucks on it and $20 real bucks he isn't hired here in 5 years, and should he not be hired as HC the loser pays the same. Hell, even if they hire him > 5 years down the road, I'd send your $20 back to you and call it even. Who will stand with Urban?

 

[ND88]

I'll make a wager with anyone, first come first served: ND will not hire Urban Meyer in the next 5 years. I originally said I'd set this bet all the way up to "never hired at ND," but I'd like to get paid before the board shuts down. I'll stake all my vBucks on it and $20 real bucks he isn't hired here in 5 years, and should he not be hired as HC the loser pays the same. Hell, even if they hire him > 5 years down the road, I'd send your $20 back to you and call it even. Who will stand with Urban?

wait, whut... did I miss something? Irishenvy forever, no?

 

[NorthDakota]

I would be curious to see a thread about people's reasons for following Notre Dame football besides "I'm an alum". Notre Dame has always done things differently and held themselves to a higher standard totally different than the football factories. For all of the posts about wanting to look the other way and hire Urban Liar with all of his baggage (which I believe would tarnish the dome and create a lot of negative PR let alone be wrong just due to his immoral character)...why follow Notre Dame and not Bama, OSU, USC, etc?

Catholic. Catholics back home still go to church. Notre Dame was the only team on TV every week until I got to college.

My first season watching regularly was when I was 10. I'd play ncaa 2003 in the morning until ND came on. Battle's TD against Michigan State stands out as an early ND memory from around that time.

I've stuck with them since. Left my share of North Dakota State games early to catch the 2nd half of the ND game during college. Quit going to games period my senior year to stay home and watch ND.

I like that ND tries to do things the right way. Just wish they were a little better.

 

[ulukinatme]

wait, whut... did I miss something? Irishenvy forever, no?

It would be nice if I'm wrong, but 20 years from now I would expect the board to be shut down. Evolving technologies and all that.

 

[GATTACA!]

I'll make a wager with anyone, first come first served: ND will not hire Urban Meyer in the next 5 years. I originally said I'd set this bet all the way up to "never hired at ND," but I'd like to get paid before the board shuts down. I'll stake all my vBucks on it and $20 real bucks he isn't hired here in 5 years, and should he not be hired as HC the loser pays the same. Hell, even if they hire him > 5 years down the road, I'd send your $20 back to you and call it even. Who will stand with Urban?

I don't think the question is if it will happen. I think we all know it won't for a variety of reasons. The question is should it happen. Unless you have no aspirations of ND winning a championship in your lifetime, the answer is yes.

 

[stlnd01]

I don't think the question is if it will happen. I think we all know it won't for a variety of reasons. The question is should it happen. Unless you have no aspirations of ND winning a championship in your lifetime, the answer is yes.

What if we have aspirations of Notre Dame winning a championship without a dirtbag for a head coach? Like, I’d have no hesitations about hiring Dabo Swinney.

 

[Irish#1]

A good question worthy of its own thread.

Pretty sure we already have a thread on this.

 

[Irish#1]

It would be nice if I'm wrong, but 20 years from now I would expect the board to be shut down. Evolving technologies and all that.

20 years from now IE will be a virtual app residing in the cloud. Put this special hat on your head and you'll access and converse through your mental brain waves. Talk about Koon getting in your head! lol

 

[ulukinatme]

20 years from now IE will be a virtual app residing in the cloud. Put this special hat on your head and you'll access and converse through your mental brain waves. Talk about Koon getting in your head! lol

 

[irishnd31]

I'm more worried about Koon's browser history ending up in my helmet and the fuzz eventually showing up and breaking down my door which ends in a gang tackle and I'm doing 30 hard time in Chino.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm more worried about Koon's browser history ending up in my helmet and the fuzz eventually showing up and breaking down my door which ends in a gang tackle and I'm doing 30 hard time in Chino.