Silly Season 2015/2016 (Coaching Changes)

Hammer Of The Gods

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my post was mostly in jest but would Ken N run any other type of offense bar the option? or is he wedded to it like paul johnson? I am always fascinated by the thought of other G/P5 schools running it, in the Pac12 it would be interesting as heck to see

I don't think he knows how to run any other offense. Its essentially all he knows, as a player, as an assistant, as a head coach. That dude is the Triple Option Jedi Master.

Something that has always interested me, is how the university of Horse S**t can keep Navy in check and beat them. But, Notre Dame and even Ohio State struggles mightily to slow them down.
 

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I don't think he knows how to run any other offense. Its essentially all he knows, as a player, as an assistant, as a head coach. That dude is the Triple Option Jedi Master.

Something that has always interested me, is how the university of Horse S**t can keep Navy in check and beat them. But, Notre Dame and even Ohio State struggles mightily to slow them down.

Well they don't face the triple option all that often...
 

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I don't think he knows how to run any other offense. Its essentially all he knows, as a player, as an assistant, as a head coach. That dude is the Triple Option Jedi Master.

Something that has always interested me, is how the university of Horse S**t can keep Navy in check and beat them. But, Notre Dame and even Ohio State struggles mightily to slow them down.

I don't think he ran the triple-option offense as the OC for UNLV in '99 if I recall. But they also only won 3 games.
 

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Well they don't face the triple option all that often...

Well, yeah, I realize that, I was more pointing towards the fact that they have stellar athletes and cream of the crop coaching, you would think that could just man handle and score at will, and that was not the case a few years ago, and subsequently Ohio State decided to cancel the series after one game.
 

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I always wondered if he could take his triple-option, and apply the same concepts to pistol or shotgun formations in order to keep doing the same things as a base, but also allowing greater playbook opportunities in certain instances (and to broaden the recruiting base in general by being able to sell a bit of diversity in the playbook).

Rather than the QB being under-center, put him in the pistol with someone behind him or in the shotgun with someone next to him. Run a motion or a shift before every play where a slot (or you could still have A-backs on the wings, even) motions into/through the backfield.

You could still run iso/midline/counter concepts, but it would require recruiting guys that can run for both speed AND power to act as both A-backs and fullbacks, because a true fullback in the shotgun would give too much away pre-snap. You'd need all of your backs to be interchangeable, that way Player A lining up as a fullback to the right isn't a dead giveaway, nor is Player B motioning into the backfield from the wing.

Also, not sure running triple-option out of shotgun full-time would be as effective, because the deeper alignment allows more time for the defense to diagnose.

But I would still wonder about it and like to see it, anyway.
 

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I always wondered if he could take his triple-option, and apply the same concepts to pistol or shotgun formations in order to keep doing the same things as a base, but also allowing greater playbook opportunities in certain instances (and to broaden the recruiting base in general by being able to sell a bit of diversity in the playbook).

Rather than the QB being under-center, put him in the pistol with someone behind him or in the shotgun with someone next to him. Run a motion or a shift before every play where a slot (or you could still have A-backs on the wings, even) motions into/through the backfield.

You could still run iso/midline/counter concepts, but it would require recruiting guys that can run for both speed AND power to act as both A-backs and fullbacks, because a true fullback in the shotgun would give too much away pre-snap. You'd need all of your backs to be interchangeable, that way Player A lining up as a fullback to the right isn't a dead giveaway, nor is Player B motioning into the backfield from the wing.

Also, not sure running triple-option out of shotgun full-time would be as effective, because the deeper alignment allows more time for the defense to diagnose.

But I would still wonder about it and like to see it, anyway.

have you seen Bob Davie's pistol option offense at New Mexico? It's pretty much what you described.
 

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So Rhett Lashlee goes from OC at Auburn to OC at UConn, with a $200,000-ish per year paycut.....

Talk about being shown the door. Yikes.
 

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Justin Wilcox Hired to Cal
Tim Lester comes home to WMU to succeed the "Elite" PJ Fleck

Jake Spavital reunites with holgerson back at WVU
 

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I'm sure everybody knows. But Diaco is taking his hair, to be the new DC at Nebraska. I just wanted to write, to try and keep a full list.

One thing I found pretty odd. Riley fired DC Banker who he's known for 20+ years and have coached together for most of that time. They coached together from from '97-'01 between Oregon St./SD Chargers. Spent 1 year apart. Got back together for Riley's 2nd Oregon St. stint, and coached together from '03-'16.

Odd thing I read in one of the Lincoln papers, is that Riley fired Banker over the phone, while Banker was in an airport headed out to recruit. They haven't talked since.
Always possible there was a falling out, just seemed weird to fire somebody you worked with for so long and by working together for so long would assume there was a pretty close relationship between the two.

Always two sides to every story. But right now that seems pretty cold on Riley's part.
Totally his choice to fire him, just think there was a better way to go about it. Maybe it's more common in the social media age. I'm not sure.
 

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IT'S GRUDEN!

Hope springs eternal. 12 years and counting.



Confirming some previous reports from others, Adam Schefter of ESPN says that Colts owner Jim Irsay did in fact reach out to Schefter’s ESPN co-worker Jon Gruden, who said no.

Gruden denied talking to Irsay, saying: “I know nothing. I’ve told people, I’m not coaching. I’m a broadcaster, I’m not a coach.”
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IT'S GRUDEN!

Confirming some previous reports from others, Adam Schefter of ESPN says that Colts owner Jim Irsay did in fact reach out to Schefter’s ESPN co-worker Jon Gruden, who said no.

Gruden denied talking to Irsay, saying: “I know nothing. I’ve told people, I’m not coaching. I’m a broadcaster, I’m not a coach.”
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Hope springs eternal. 12 years and counting.


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I heard that on the local sports talk here. Someone posted a pic of Gruden at the Indy airport, but it was pointed out that this pic might be several years old. The other point was Irsay would send his private jet. Gruden wouldn't be flying commercial for an interview.

He's also been out of coaching for quite a while. While he's seen the evolution of offenses, it might take him some time to become more comfortable with them first hand.
 

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I heard that on the local sports talk here. Someone posted a pic of Gruden at the Indy airport, but it was pointed out that this pic might be several years old. The other point was Irsay would send his private jet. Gruden wouldn't be flying commercial for an interview.

He's also been out of coaching for quite a while. While he's seen the evolution of offenses, it might take him some time to become more comfortable with them first hand.

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There's a rumor out there right now that because of the pending "anti-Harbaugh" rule about hiring people "connected to recruits" for non-coaching roles that ND may not be able to hire Ballou after all. Basically, if we hired Ballou we'd potentially have some NCAA issues with how we've signed and will continue to sign players from IMG.
 
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There's a rumor out there right now that because of the pending "anti-Harbaugh" rule about hiring people "connected to recruits" for non-coaching roles that ND may not be able to hire Ballou after all. Basically, if we hired Ballou we'd potentially have some NCAA issues with how we've signed and will continue to sign players from IMG.

I believe this rumor to be legless.
 

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Football coaches favor early signing period, 10th full-time assistant


► The AFCA voiced its support for IAWP legislation, standing for Individuals Associated With a Prospect. This legislation would mirror a rule currently in place in NCAA basketball that prohibits a school from hiring an individual associated with a current prospect from a high school, preparatory school or two-year college for a position in the same sport.

Broken down, this legislation would prevent a school from hiring a prospect’s high school coach for a staff position, whether on the field or off. Recently, for example, Michigan hired the high school coach of No. 1 prospect Rashan Gary, who signed with the Wolverines, for a support-staff role.

Just so everyone sees what it is that is being proposed.

The key is current prospects.
 

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Thanks for the neg reps, lol. I'm just saying I believe all is well here.

I'm hearing the same thing as Lax. It doesn't make sense to retroactively enforce that rule. However it's now being circulated on multiple boards. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough if it's true.
 

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Football coaches favor early signing period, 10th full-time assistant




Just so everyone sees what it is that is being proposed.

The key is current prospects.

Yeah, but the rule isn't enacted yet, it's being proposed. If he hire him now, no where does it say we have to fire any coach that formerly worked at a high school a prospect is from. Teams across the country would be firing analysts and coaches left and right.

If this is us being cautious. Then I'm gonna be pissed. Just like our self reported violations for academic stuff. How did that caution work out? It's easier to beg for forgiveness than ask permission. Out administration needs to quit being tender foot pussies.
 

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Yeah, but the rule isn't enacted yet, it's being proposed. If he hire him now, no where does it say we have to fire any coach that formerly worked at a high school a prospect is from. Teams across the country would be firing analysts and coaches left and right.

If this is us being cautious. Then I'm gonna be pissed. Just like our self reported violations for academic stuff. How did that caution work out? It's easier to beg for forgiveness than ask permission. Out administration needs to quit being tender foot pussies.

I agree completely. I think it's overly cautious to not hire him because of the fear of this rule coming into play.

The way ND is approaching this, no HS coach could ever work their way up the ladder and get hired to a college staff.
 

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I agree completely. I think it's overly cautious to not hire him because of the fear of this rule coming into play.

The way ND is approaching this, no HS coach could ever work their way up the ladder and get hired to a college staff.

Yeah, on the surface, that was the weird thing to me. I don't understand how a rule that's on hypothetical right now could be retroactively enforced. I almost wonder if ND reached out to the NCAA to clear the hire and they said "don't do it until this is voted on because it could be a violation if the rule passes"... I don't know how that necessarily works, but really nothing surprises me with the NCAA. I guess we'll see.
 
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