Silly Season 2015/2016 (Coaching Changes)

[BGIF]

Report: Cal fires coach Sonny Dykes, could Chip Kelly become a target? - CBSSports.com
Tom Fornelli 1/8/17

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While the timing of the decision comes as a surprise, if you've paid close attention to the relationship between Dykes and the school, the timing is the only thing about this decision that is odd. Over the last few years, Dykes has interviewed for other jobs, including the openings at Houston (in 2014, not this year), Missouri and even at Baylor this season. As you'd expect, those interviews didn't sit well with the administration at Cal, as it always felt like Dykes had a foot out the door and was looking for something else.

But what about the timing?

Why would Cal make the decision to fire Dykes now and not a month ago? Well, there's one obvious reason that comes to mind, and it rhymes with Whip Deli.

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[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cal?src=hash">#Cal</a> has fired head coach Sonny Dykes, a source has told FOX Sports. Story coming on <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports">@FoxSports</a>.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/818162212133081089">January 8, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chip Kelly to Cal the next domino to fall maybe?

Still can't believe we lost Demetris Robertson to these clowns.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Still can't believe we lost Demetris Robertson to these clowns.

DRob's clown brother was the biggest reason everyone lost... including DRob.

 

[BoredIrish]

Chip Kelly at Cal could be bad for ND football... he would target smart kids from Cali.

The flip side is that if he is OK recruiting kids to Cal, he should be fine recruiting to ND as well.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Chip Kelly at Cal could be bad for ND football... he would target smart kids from Cali.

The flip side is that if he is OK recruiting kids to Cal, he should be fine recruiting to ND as well.

Why? Cal probably leads D1 football for the number of academic exceptions given for athletes. If he does take the job at Cal, he will hurt other Pac 12 schools much worse than he would ND.

 

[dwshade]

Chip Kelly at Cal could be bad for ND football... he would target smart kids from Cali.

The flip side is that if he is OK recruiting kids to Cal, he should be fine recruiting to ND as well.

Kelly to Cal doesn't mean a thing to ND. Nada.

 

[NDPhilly]

Actually think it would be a good thing because he would pull kids away from Stanford

 

[Irish_I_HadHair]

I don't think Harbaugh is very plausible, but I think if we'd be willing to pay up to $10mil/year for the right guy (Harbaugh, Saban, etc.)... none of which are very likely to want to come here.

Sanford is going to crush at WKU... and I think there's a very real possibility he's who we end up with. I think he's the floor, but it's hard to say if ND could get anyone better (unless you consider guys like Fleck or Mullen better).

This year, when ND did some "fact finding" with a search committee starting in case they had to replace Kelly the best candidates that were interested were Rhule and Narduzzi. That basically says it all about how "attractive" the job is right now, but a lot of things can change in a year.

I don't think Sanford's a candidate until he proves himself at something and he matures. His early behavior at WKU reeks of exactly what he is; a young assistant coach.

Color me old-school but I don't find anything about Mike Sanford to be indicative that he's anywhere close to ready to lead a big-time program.

Every couple of years it becomes fashionable again to have a hard-a**, disciplined coaching style. Those are the type of guys ND should target. Not the social media-savvy, hip coach who uses modern slang.

They'll never get enough of the athletes who like those guys. They'll always be able to get the guys who crave that old-school tough guy type of coach. That's more or less the Stanford model right now.

 

[Classic Irish]

I don't think Sanford's a candidate until he proves himself at something and he matures. His early behavior at WKU reeks of exactly what he is; a young assistant coach. .

Not doubting you, but curious to know what you're referencing.

 

[BobbyMac]

I don't think Sanford's a candidate until he proves himself at something and he matures. His early behavior at WKU reeks of exactly what he is; a young assistant coach.

Color me old-school but I don't find anything about Mike Sanford to be indicative that he's anywhere close to ready to lead a big-time program.

Every couple of years it becomes fashionable again to have a hard-a**, disciplined coaching style. Those are the type of guys ND should target. Not the social media-savvy, hip coach who uses modern slang.

They'll never get enough of the athletes who like those guys. They'll always be able to get the guys who crave that old-school tough guy type of coach. That's more or less the Stanford model right now.

You must be 60+ and on your grandkids iPad for the first time. Social Media is seriously half the battle in recruiting. The interface between a program's "tech dept" and the assistant coaches who are recruiting is what can make or break a program. And it will become more and more important every year. Take it from a 50 year old.

...and btw, how did Stanford finish ahead of SC six of the last eight years in the PAC?

 

[Irish_I_HadHair]

You must be 60+ and on your grandkids iPad for the first time. Social Media is seriously half the battle in recruiting. The interface between a program's "tech dept" and the assistant coaches who are recruiting is what can make or break a program. And it will become more and more important every year. Take it from a 50 year old.

...and btw, how did Stanford finish ahead of SC six of the last eight years in the PAC?

Thanks for making my drunken, rambling point. David Shaw is certainly one of those "cool", relatable coaches who tweets all day goofing around with his players and assistant coaches, right?

Programs certainly need to embrace and utilize social media and technology. But the head man doesn't need to put himself on the same level as the guys who work under him and young men who play for him/might play for him.

Just like our president could stand to be more regal in this regard, so should a head coach. Just my opinion.

 

[NDohio]

I don't think Sanford's a candidate until he proves himself at something and he matures. His early behavior at WKU reeks of exactly what he is; a young assistant coach.

Color me old-school but I don't find anything about Mike Sanford to be indicative that he's anywhere close to ready to lead a big-time program.

Every couple of years it becomes fashionable again to have a hard-a**, disciplined coaching style. Those are the type of guys ND should target. Not the social media-savvy, hip coach who uses modern slang.

They'll never get enough of the athletes who like those guys. They'll always be able to get the guys who crave that old-school tough guy type of coach. That's more or less the Stanford model right now.

Thanks for making my drunken, rambling point. David Shaw is certainly one of those "cool", relatable coaches who tweets all day goofing around with his players and assistant coaches, right?

Programs certainly need to embrace and utilize social media and technology. But the head man doesn't need to put himself on the same level as the guys who work under him and young men who play for him/might play for him.

Just like our president could stand to be more regal in this regard, so should a head coach. Just my opinion.

The bottom part of the bold is not at all what he has been doing. Yes, he is very active on Twitter, but he has been active in a promotional way. I haven't seen any of the "cool" or "goofing around with his players" stuff. He has made promotional Tweets with everyone of his hires and he retweets when players and prospects mention WKU, but that is all he is doing. I think you are way overreacting to his Twitter activity.

 

[IrishLion]

I don't think Sanford's a candidate until he proves himself at something and he matures. His early behavior at WKU reeks of exactly what he is; a young assistant coach.

Color me old-school but I don't find anything about Mike Sanford to be indicative that he's anywhere close to ready to lead a big-time program.

Every couple of years it becomes fashionable again to have a hard-a**, disciplined coaching style. Those are the type of guys ND should target. Not the social media-savvy, hip coach who uses modern slang.

They'll never get enough of the athletes who like those guys. They'll always be able to get the guys who crave that old-school tough guy type of coach. That's more or less the Stanford model right now.

He's generating excitement for a WKU program that needs to constantly market themselves. Success in the CUSA alone isn't enough to sustain the support they need, and so the Head Coach and everybody down the line need to do what they can to make themselves visible. That means driving social media first and foremost these days, because that's the best, cheapest, and most far-reaching way for a small school to keep themselves out there.

Saban and Urban and BK (lol) can sit back in their chairs and let everyone else do the social media, because ND has an established tradition that allows them to reach out in more traditional ways without hurting themselves (too much). That's not possible at smaller schools like WKU.

So where you see a new, young head coach acting like a minor league guy, I see a new, young head coach busting his ass to make sure his program stays in the spotlight after three strong seasons in a row by relating to the high school kids he's targeting in recruiting, and the college kids that he needs to put in the stands.

 

[NDohio]

He's generating excitement for a WKU program that needs to constantly market themselves. Success in the CUSA alone isn't enough to sustain the support they need, and so the Head Coach and everybody down the line need to do what they can to make themselves visible. That means driving social media first and foremost these days, because that's the best, cheapest, and most far-reaching way for a small school to keep themselves out there.

Saban and Urban and BK (lol) can sit back in their chairs and let everyone else do the social media, because ND has an established tradition that allows them to reach out in more traditional ways without hurting themselves (too much). That's not possible at smaller schools like WKU.

So where you see a new, young head coach acting like a minor league guy, I see a new, young head coach busting his ass to make sure his program stays in the spotlight after three strong seasons in a row by relating to the high school kids he's targeting in recruiting, and the college kids that he needs to put in the stands.

To add to this. I would suspect that a majority of Mike Sanford's followers on Twitter know little to nothing about WKU football as they are fans of the other schools where he has coached. I know I will follow WKU football for the first time ever next season and it is because of MS.

 

[gkIrish]

Not doubting you, but curious to know what you're referencing.

Yeah what are you guys referring to with this minor league talk??

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I don't think Sanford's a candidate until he proves himself at something and he matures. His early behavior at WKU reeks of exactly what he is; a young assistant coach.

Color me old-school but I don't find anything about Mike Sanford to be indicative that he's anywhere close to ready to lead a big-time program.

Every couple of years it becomes fashionable again to have a hard-a**, disciplined coaching style. Those are the type of guys ND should target. Not the social media-savvy, hip coach who uses modern slang.

They'll never get enough of the athletes who like those guys. They'll always be able to get the guys who crave that old-school tough guy type of coach. That's more or less the Stanford model right now.

Well, then, we will see how it goes. Because every inside source I have spoken to sees (increasingly) Mike Sanford as a serious contender for the head coaching position. They are looking for one good season at WKU.

And interestingly enough, ND is putting together a staff right now that would benefit a young head coach more that say someone like Brian Kelly.

There is old school, there is old school, and there is neanderthal.

Old school is a cliche that means from before a young man's time.

Then there is real old school, like when ND was great, like when Leahy or Rockne were coach.

Then there is cro-magnon, when there was a perception that the coach was so in control he could abuse his players with all kinds of incredibly torturous discipline, and they would be thankful for the loving, and a chance to play.

That is a fucking fairy tale. Didn't happen, didn't work and doesn't cause anything but problems in today's world. Now I'm not talking about holding a bunch of defenesless kids without talent enough to get them out of the hole they are in, I am talking about kids with the kind of talent level that a modern D1 college football program has.

Discipline, honor? Hell the average program today teaches kids it's okay to take advantage of women, just to satisfy their own needs! Let alone any kind of discipline, at all.

With what I have seen of the inside of ND's program this last year I was about a heartbeat away from walking away as a fan for good. Only because I believe Kelly will be done after this season, and a few other things, will I sand by the Irish this year. But if things don't continue to progress (away from the Kelly era,) let alone put a 'disciplinarian' in charge, I will either be rooting for someone else, or not at all.

You need to check your sources, information, and anything else you have at your disposal. Mike Sanford was not only one of the most popular coaches, he got the most out of his players. Guys would walk through walls for him, compared to some of those who were a little more heavy handed.

I don't know about your past experiences but as far as mine from school, sports, the service, business, to present, the leader who relates best, and has the clearest vision, produces the better leadership results. Working hard doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being tough, or punitive. I just means capturing hearts, and motivating those to raise their best level of performance.

 

[Legacy]

Harbaugh seems to be the leader in hiring high school coaches from top programs - St. Edwards, Paramus, Prattview... Saban did iit this year although that prospect has not yet committed to Bama. Other programs?

Found this : Top NCAA programs hire high school football coaches
Alabama, Auburn and Georgia hire top high school coach (MaxPreps, 2013)

List: High school coaches hired to FBS college football jobs this offseason (coaching search, 2016)

Matt Rhule explains why he's hiring several Texas high school coaches
(new Baylor coach)

Isn't Tom Herman doing this at Texas?

 

[OCIrish]

A scary trend in college football for sure, I just don't see anything ever being done about it, lol

 

[BobbyMac]

A scary trend in college football for sure, I just don't see anything ever being done about it, lol

Trend? It's always been a percentage of the hires. Danny Manning knew he was going to whoever hired his Dad, worked out pretty good for KU. My first HS coach became an assistant at Ball St so that a buddy of mine would transfer from Purdue to Muncie. My second HS coach got multiple college job offers every year because we had a Top 10 national HS program.

Do you think Texas Tech couldn't find another RB (or WR coach?) when they hired Art Briles out of HS?

It happens and it's smart.

No Gerry Faust jokes please.

 

[Legacy]

Trend? It's always been a percentage of the hires. Danny Manning knew he was going to whoever hired his Dad, worked out pretty good for KU. My first HS coach became an assistant at Ball St so that a buddy of mine would transfer from Purdue to Muncie. My second HS coach got multiple college job offers every year because we had a Top 10 national HS program.

Do you think Texas Tech couldn't find another RB (or WR coach?) when they hired Art Briles out of HS?

It happens and it's smart.

No Gerry Faust jokes please.

A few follow-up questions.
-- Should ND do it more? Bishop Gorman? St. Thomas Aquinas? IMG Academy? St John Bosco? DeLaSalle? Mater Dei? (I think Harbaugh hired the St. Edwards coach.)

-- How effective is it in recruiting?

-- How long do these coaches last in college as "analysts" or whatever?

Is the mother of that Michigan recruit, for example, still in AA?

 

[BobbyMac]

Was Maurice Crum to WKU already announced?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">First campus tour with the staff! Courtesy of <a href="https://twitter.com/SpiritMasterWKU">@SpiritMasterWKU</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WKUFamily?src=hash">#WKUFamily</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoTops?src=hash">#GoTops</a> &#55357;&#56628; <a href="https://t.co/kgcHvRejzH">pic.twitter.com/kgcHvRejzH</a></p>— Coach Mike Sanford (@CoachSanfordWKU) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachSanfordWKU/status/818507547795746817">January 9, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[dublinirish]

A few follow-up questions.
-- Should ND do it more? Bishop Gorman? St. Thomas Aquinas? IMG Academy? St John Bosco? DeLaSalle? Mater Dei? (I think Harbaugh hired the St. Edwards coach.)

-- How effective is it in recruiting?

-- How long do these coaches last in college as "analysts" or whatever?

Is the mother of that Michigan recruit, for example, still in AA?

Gwendolyn Bush, and yes she is their recruiting administrator.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Was Maurice Crum to WKU already announced?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">First campus tour with the staff! Courtesy of <a href="https://twitter.com/SpiritMasterWKU">@SpiritMasterWKU</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WKUFamily?src=hash">#WKUFamily</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoTops?src=hash">#GoTops</a> �� <a href="https://t.co/kgcHvRejzH">pic.twitter.com/kgcHvRejzH</a></p>— Coach Mike Sanford (@CoachSanfordWKU) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachSanfordWKU/status/818507547795746817">January 9, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Per local WBKO report official announcement on Crum expected soon. Sanford has put together a pretty impressive staff imo.

http://http://www.wbko.com/content/sports/BISHOP--Ladies-and-Gentlemen-Mike-Sanford-and-the-nine-Tops-410111105.html

 

[BobbyMac]

A few follow-up questions.
-- Should ND do it more? Bishop Gorman? St. Thomas Aquinas? IMG Academy? St John Bosco? DeLaSalle? Mater Dei? (I think Harbaugh hired the St. Edwards coach.)

-- How effective is it in recruiting?

-- How long do these coaches last in college as "analysts" or whatever?

Is the mother of that Michigan recruit, for example, still in AA?

I'm not saying ND should do it more. They should look at these guys if they want to make the jump to college as analysts or recruiting director with the intent of getting a field job either at ND or moving on when the Sanford's or Denbrock's get a gig.

Jason Negro at St John Bosco would be a great hire for someone. Still a young guy who gets it. The best recruiter in LA right now.

Coach Rollinson at Mater Dei would probably be a good hire for SC (He's a grad) if they wanted an analyst because he's getting close to retirement age. Interestingly, his wife and one/some of his kid/s are ND grads. If he's 30 years younger, he'd be a great target.

Kevin Wright at IMG is going to write his ticket someday. He's from the Indy area. He's the kind of guy a SoCon school could hire as a coordinator or even a HC in the Pioneer.

The STA coach... Harriott would be an ideal hire but he isn't a lifer HS coach. He came from an assistants position at FAU or FIU. What you look for is someone who when they leave, they leave on good terms and their assistants just move up and fill the spots. That way they are funneling kids to their old boss.

How effective is it? If they aren't on the field, they aren't on the road so it's not like if you hire Kevin Wright that he'll be back down in Bradenton pulling 10 kids a year out of there BUT he becomes the eyes and ears for the area recruiters and briefs them on all the ins and outs. Of course it's better than hiring another one of the HC's buddies that cut thier teeth recruiting 0/1/2 stars at GVSU. It's also more productive than hiring a former player who just finished up his GA work.

When you hire a successful HC from a football factory, you get access to his world. It's invaluable intel.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SOURCE: Minnesota is hiring Arkansas defensive coordinator Robb Smith for the same position. An official... <a href="https://t.co/A1YSbB9rmJ">https://t.co/A1YSbB9rmJ</a></p>— Adam Rittenberg (@ESPNRittenberg) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/818533884585381888">January 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

took him from under WF's noses

 

[BeauBenken]

Per local WBKO report official announcement on Crum expected soon. Sanford has put together a pretty impressive staff imo.

http://http://www.wbko.com/content/sports/BISHOP--Ladies-and-Gentlemen-Mike-Sanford-and-the-nine-Tops-410111105.html

Crum had been working under Sanford Sr. at Indiana St.

 

[Legacy]

Texas high school coaches sound off on Herman (247 Horns)

In total, Herman has coached at half a dozen programs around the Lone Star State. He is familiar with the high school landscape and has built a multitude of relationships in his 18-year career.

“He’s going to be incredible at Texas,” Martin said. “There is no doubt in my mind. I think it was a homerun hire. I think they knocked it out of the park. He just has such a pedigree. He worked with Urban Meyer. Heck, he was a GA at Texas. He cut his teeth there.

"He tweeted out about his business cards from when he was a GA to now. That was inspiring to me. As a high school coach, that was special to me that he’s hung on to that thing and remembers his roots and where he’s from.”

“He can relate to Texas coaches,” Johnson said. “He started off at Texas Lutheran and coached at a lot of Texas schools. He understands the identity and the culture. I felt like it was a great hire in that aspect. I think it’s very important for recruiting. This is no knock to Charlie Strong, Coach Herman knows us. He knows what it takes.”

He’s focused on coaches and kids,” said Lancaster assistant coach and recruiting coordinator Thomas Harris said. “Parents aren’t playing football. He relates to kids. He can get them to buy in quicker. He can help them understand what they need to be doing. It’s huge that he’s recruiting the kids.

“It’s great that he’s talking to coaches from great programs because if you get players from those schools, half the battle is done. Those kids know how to be great team players.”

Deep roots in Texas coaching, relationships with those h.s. coaches, the ability to fill 90% of your roster from your state... we'll see how his support staff is filled out.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Mario Cristobal to Oregon.

 

[dublinirish]

http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...e-offensive-coordinator-ed-warinner-minnesota

Ohio State offensive coordinator Ed Warinner leaving for job at Minnesota, per report

OSU fans delighted to be rid of him i bet

 

[IrishLion]

http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...e-offensive-coordinator-ed-warinner-minnesota

Ohio State offensive coordinator Ed Warinner leaving for job at Minnesota, per report

OSU fans delighted to be rid of him i bet

They love his run-blocking scheme and then literally nothing else about him haha