Silly Season 2015/2016 (Coaching Changes)

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No he was foolish for stay with Pete era people. I put himself on the burner the min he hired Shark.

Sark may not have been the right coach for USC. Probably not, but we'll never know. The issue for Haden is more the fact Sark was widely known to have a drinking problem at Washington and Haden hired him anyway.
I don't blame the guy for wanting to vet his next candidate more thoroughly than may be possible when you're dealing through third parties.
 

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I can't believe Haden is still in position to hire the next coach. I agree with what others have said about Les, I'm not worried about a great recruiter I just hope they don't get a great Xs and Os coach.
 

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I can't imagine USC hiring Miles. They don't need his recruiting ability, as they generally get their pick of top west coast recruits anyway. The guy's an atrocious developer of talent, play caller, and game planner... plus Miles is too old to stay there for a decade or more, and Hayden needs to make a homerun hire of a real up & comer coach who'll lead them back to glory and stay there for years.


An "atrocious developer of talent, play caller, and game planner ... " who has won about 75% of this games. 75% is the level of the excellence in coaching.

He has a better record at LSU than Saban had.

Hardly a sign of an "atrocious" coach
 

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An "atrocious developer of talent, play caller, and game planner ... " who has won about 75% of this games. 75% is the level of the excellence in coaching.



He has a better record at LSU than Saban had.



Hardly a sign of an "atrocious" coach


Not to mention the ridiculous number of former LSU players in the NFL.
 

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Sark may not have been the right coach for USC. Probably not, but we'll never know. The issue for Haden is more the fact Sark was widely known to have a drinking problem at Washington and Haden hired him anyway.
I don't blame the guy for wanting to vet his next candidate more thoroughly than may be possible when you're dealing through third parties.

We already know the answer. He wasn't.
 

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I can't believe Haden is still in position to hire the next coach. I agree with what others have said about Les, I'm not worried about a great recruiter I just hope they don't get a great Xs and Os coach.

I sincerely hope southern cal doesn't land Temple's Matt Rhule---though I suspect they would go after a bigger name.
 

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Paul Johnson to Southern Cal?

Edit: No info. I just find it funny to think of Paul Johnson coaching the Trojans.

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An "atrocious developer of talent, play caller, and game planner ... " who has won about 75% of this games. 75% is the level of the excellence in coaching.

He has a better record at LSU than Saban had.

Hardly a sign of an "atrocious" coach

Every coach has his flaws but Miles isn't a ND type coach but he is still a pretty good one.
 

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South Carolina: Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart has emerged as a front-runner at South Carolina, according to a report from Bruce Feldman.

Maryland: Michigan defensive coordinator DJ Durkin has emerged as a strong candidate at Maryland and has met with school officials about their head coaching vacancy, according to Pat Forde of Yahoo Sports. Forde notes that “no job offer was made, but the interview went well” and that it’s not clear how many other candidates the school has interviewed, or will interview.

Illinois: HokieHaven is reporting that longtime Virginia Tech defensive coordinator Bud Foster is a candidate for the head coaching job with the Illini.

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South Carolina: Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart has emerged as a front-runner at South Carolina, according to a report from Bruce Feldman.

Maryland: Michigan defensive coordinator DJ Durkin has emerged as a strong candidate at Maryland and has met with school officials about their head coaching vacancy, according to Pat Forde of Yahoo Sports. Forde notes that “no job offer was made, but the interview went well” and that it’s not clear how many other candidates the school has interviewed, or will interview.

Illinois: HokieHaven is reporting that longtime Virginia Tech defensive coordinator Bud Foster is a candidate for the head coaching job with the Illini.

football scoop

If Kirby goes to South Carolina, my hope was making a run at Foster for DC. Guess that may be out now. But good for Foster if he takes the Illinois HC job.
 

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An "atrocious developer of talent, play caller, and game planner ... " who has won about 75% of this games. 75% is the level of the excellence in coaching.

He has a better record at LSU than Saban had.

Hardly a sign of an "atrocious" coach

Not to mention the ridiculous number of former LSU players in the NFL.

Louisiana is one of the most talent-rich states in the country and the vast majority of the kids there grow up dreaming of playing for LSU, as they're the only major program in the state. They're like USC or Texas in that they should never have a problem getting tons of talent. You're virtually guaranteed to have one of the 10 most talented rosters in the country and with that much talent, winning 75% of your games should be a given.

What separates the adequate coaches from the great ones is whether you can consistently win against similar or greater talent. Over the last 4 years, Les has failed miserably in this area. Bama has dominated him, and he's only winning about 50% of the time against teams with slightly less talent such as Auburn, Ole Miss, aTm and Arkansas. He's 1-9 the past 4 years when LSU is an underdog, and they've never been a huge underdog.

He's put a lot of players into the NFL, but given the talent at LSU, anything else would be surprising. Given the amount of talented players coming out of the program, where are the SEC or national titles in recent years? If I take a Ferrari 488 GTB to the track and run all over the Mustangs, Chargers, and Camaros, does that make me a great driver? No, it just means I have a car that anyone could beat those other cars with. See what I do against Lambos, Porsche's, McLarens and other Ferraris and then you'll have an idea of whether I'm a good driver or not.

In other words, over the past 4 years, Miles has won with talent, not coaching. Any decent coach could do what he's done with that much talent. He's failed to get the talent he has to dominate anyone other than over-matched teams and win titles. He beats the weak teams, struggles against good teams, and gets obliterated against more talented teams. His coaching has been mediocre at best since the 2011 season, and he's shown no sign of being able to right the ship and do anything more than that.
 

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Louisiana is one of the most talent-rich states in the country and the vast majority of the kids there grow up dreaming of playing for LSU, as they're the only major program in the state. They're like USC or Texas in that they should never have a problem getting tons of talent. You're virtually guaranteed to have one of the 10 most talented rosters in the country and with that much talent, winning 75% of your games should be a given.

What separates the adequate coaches from the great ones is whether you can consistently win against similar or greater talent. Over the last 4 years, Les has failed miserably in this area. Bama has dominated him, and he's only winning about 50% of the time against teams with slightly less talent such as Auburn, Ole Miss, aTm and Arkansas. He's 1-9 the past 4 years when LSU is an underdog, and they've never been a huge underdog.

He's put a lot of players into the NFL, but given the talent at LSU, anything else would be surprising. Given the amount of talented players coming out of the program, where are the SEC or national titles in recent years? If I take a Ferrari 488 GTB to the track and run all over the Mustangs, Chargers, and Camaros, does that make me a great driver? No, it just means I have a car that anyone could beat those other cars with. See what I do against Lambos, Porsche's, McLarens and other Ferraris and then you'll have an idea of whether I'm a good driver or not.

In other words, over the past 4 years, Miles has won with talent, not coaching. Any decent coach could do what he's done with that much talent. He's failed to get the talent he has to dominate anyone other than over-matched teams and win titles. He beats the weak teams, struggles against good teams, and gets obliterated against more talented teams. His coaching has been mediocre at best since the 2011 season, and he's shown no sign of being able to right the ship and do anything more than that.

I am not as hard on Miles in a sense. He has shown the ability to win at a high level. He made it to the NCG recently with two QBs that were downright awful. His inability to get a QB to lead the team has been his biggest downfall. And don't forget, most of that NFL talent left LSU early and as much as we would like to say "reload", that sometimes just isn't as easy as we think.

If you miss on a few guys each you sign, it adds up over the course of 3-4 years. LSU is a young team right now. They lack that depth in the trenches they have been known for- due to early entrants to the NFL mostly. If Les makes it through and is the coach at LSU the next 3-4 years my advice to him would be go to Texas and offer 3-4 of the top 15 QBs and hope to land a couple of them. The rest of the talent he either already has or can recruit very easily.
 

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Rumors flying in Longhorn world that Charlie Strong leaving... that would be wild.

I think Charlie knows his days at Texas are numbered anyway. He is currently losing battles in recruiting to every other power program in that state. Winning at Texas starts with winning the state in recruiting. Charlie hasn't done that.
 

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I am not as hard on Miles in a sense. He has shown the ability to win at a high level. He made it to the NCG recently with two QBs that were downright awful. His inability to get a QB to lead the team has been his biggest downfall. And don't forget, most of that NFL talent left LSU early and as much as we would like to say "reload", that sometimes just isn't as easy as we think.

If you miss on a few guys each you sign, it adds up over the course of 3-4 years. LSU is a young team right now. They lack that depth in the trenches they have been known for- due to early entrants to the NFL mostly. If Les makes it through and is the coach at LSU the next 3-4 years my advice to him would be go to Texas and offer 3-4 of the top 15 QBs and hope to land a couple of them. The rest of the talent he either already has or can recruit very easily.

I haven't watched many LSU games, but when I have, I've scratched my head trying to figure out their identity, especially on offense.
 

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I am not as hard on Miles in a sense. He has shown the ability to win at a high level. He made it to the NCG recently with two QBs that were downright awful. His inability to get a QB to lead the team has been his biggest downfall. And don't forget, most of that NFL talent left LSU early and as much as we would like to say "reload", that sometimes just isn't as easy as we think.

If you miss on a few guys each you sign, it adds up over the course of 3-4 years. LSU is a young team right now. They lack that depth in the trenches they have been known for- due to early entrants to the NFL mostly. If Les makes it through and is the coach at LSU the next 3-4 years my advice to him would be go to Texas and offer 3-4 of the top 15 QBs and hope to land a couple of them. The rest of the talent he either already has or can recruit very easily.

I actually like Miles and don't mean to be too harsh on him, but he hasn't been the same coach the past few years that he was from '05-'11. He seems to have become complacent and unwilling to adapt or change. LSU puts a lot of players into the NFL, but most of them are skill players, not linemen. Lots of good RB's, DB's and receivers, but it's been awhile since they could just man up on either side of the line and control a game.
 

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South Carolina: Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart has emerged as a front-runner at South Carolina, according to a report from Bruce Feldman.

Maryland: Michigan defensive coordinator DJ Durkin has emerged as a strong candidate at Maryland and has met with school officials about their head coaching vacancy, according to Pat Forde of Yahoo Sports. Forde notes that “no job offer was made, but the interview went well” and that it’s not clear how many other candidates the school has interviewed, or will interview.

Illinois: HokieHaven is reporting that longtime Virginia Tech defensive coordinator Bud Foster is a candidate for the head coaching job with the Illini.

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Foster will get killed at Illinois. I know Texas might be a big jump for him but if he could get the recruting down in state that defense would be sick
 

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Could illinois just say the hell with it and hire their interim HC or purge any vestiges of Beckman?
 

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Could illinois just say the hell with it and hire their interim HC or purge any vestiges of Beckman?
No..............He did decent at Western michigan for a few years, but no, Cubit is not a B-10 coach

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