Sept 15 | Vanderbilt

[Valpodoc85]

Jordan Peterson for head coach!

 

[Irish#1]

Stars are like varsity jackets from High School...you have to put them away once you arrive at college and start over.

Someone disagrees.

 

[Blaise]

they don't play scrappy mid majors, they play the poors

Didn't OSU lose to a middle of the road V tech team the year they won their NC? Doesn't Michigan always have a top 10 class?

Stars mean very little once u arrive on campus... If that was the case, a player like Finke would of never saw the field

 

[Dizzyphil]

ok......


Local radio sports is not claiming a win by Vandy this weekend but, they say their chances are very good. Mainly based solely on the QB play of both teams. They state Vandy has identical in talent and harder coached. Mason knows ND very well since he was DC at Stanford. Goal is to get as much pressure on BW as possible to force him into easy mistakes as shown in the Ball State game.


Although - Blaine Bishop was quick to note the Ball State was a VERY good team. Even though he is an Alum, he strongly believes with others he has stated that Ball State will win the MAC this year.

 

[koonja]

So for those of you who don't care that Vandy has SIX 4 star players, and ND has ~45.

Why are we favored?

Is it because our coaching is so superior, specifically our Special Teams/OL/OC play calling?

I think it's the raw talent, but maybe I'm crazy.

 

[GowerND11]

So for those of you who don't care that Vandy has SIX 4 star players, and ND has ~45.

Why are we favored?

Is it because our coaching is so superior, specifically our Special Teams/OL/OC play calling?

I think it's the raw talent, but maybe I'm crazy.

Why do you care so much about trivial things? You set up arguments like this that basically favor your side.

Yes, we have more talent based on recruiting service "stars." That is never the full story and you know it. Unfortunately, when a high star team loses to a low star team, you automatically jump to your conclusion that the coaching and development sucks. Those might very well be true. However, it's a known fact that there are plenty of three star guys that just need to develop, weren't evaluated properly, or just work harder. Will Hernandez became the second best guard in the draft from UTEP (who sucks) and had pretty much 0 recruiting/evaluation.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I have confidence that ND will roll Vandy this weekend and get back on track. BK will let Wimbush loose again and this defense is no where near the quality of scUM's. He has increased his completion percentage like many of us have asked through two games, he will use his legs this week to keep the defense on their toes, and he will hit open receivers downfield.

If we fix our OL issues, and just get back to the level of play they had against scUM up front, we should beat Vandy by 21+. There will be no emotional hangover this week; they will be fired up and ready to get back on track after last week's performance.

 

[NDMIA]

College football is a talent acquisition business. That is the number one thing in college football. Development, coaching/schemes, and effort are extremely important but talent is the most important thing in college football. 247 team talent composite ranking shows the national champions.

2017 - Alabama - 1
2016 - Clemson - 9
2015 - Alabama - 1
2014 - Ohio State - 3

There’s a reason the most talented teams in America win the national title every year. The National title will probably be decided between Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Georgia. While I would love for that not to be true, it’s just the reality of the situation with college football.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Why do you care so much about trivial things? You set up arguments like this that basically favor your side.

Yes, we have more talent based on recruiting service "stars." That is never the full story and you know it. Unfortunately, when a high star team loses to a low star team, you automatically jump to your conclusion that the coaching and development sucks. Those might very well be true. However, it's a known fact that there are plenty of three star guys that just need to develop, weren't evaluated properly, or just work harder. Will Hernandez became the second best guard in the draft from UTEP (who sucks) and had pretty much 0 recruiting/evaluation.

Straw man alert!!

NFL draft has nothing to do with college football team performance. Better recruiting ='s better results.

From 247 after this years NCG....

In terms of a top-10 recruiting class within the last four years, 53 percent of teams that ended in the Top 10 of the final AP poll from 2011-17 featured at least one such haul (top ten composite class). In every year but 2011, at least five teams in the final Top 10 met that recruiting criteria – you’ll remember 2011 as the season Alabama and LSU played for the national championship from the same conference.

Teams with at least one top-10 class to their credit made up 63 percent of the teams ranked in the final top-5 from 2011-17.

Rankings matter.

 

[GowerND11]

Straw man alert!!

NFL draft has nothing to do with college football team performance. Better recruiting ='s better results.

From 247 after this years NCG....



Rankings matter.

I'm not denying rankings matter. My point is, Koon thinks they should be the end all be all.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I'm not denying rankings matter. My point is, Koon thinks they should be the end all be all.

well, in context to Vandy, do you deny that ND has a superior roster? On talent alone, ND should win this game 95 times out of 100. If you had equal rosters, pretty sure ND would not win 95 out of 100 because there is that much difference in coaching staffs. When Vegas sets the line, the factor in both. So in this case, it is based on talent IMO.

 

[stlnd01]

ok......


Local radio sports is not claiming a win by Vandy this weekend but, they say their chances are very good. Mainly based solely on the QB play of both teams. They state Vandy has identical in talent and harder coached. Mason knows ND very well since he was DC at Stanford. Goal is to get as much pressure on BW as possible to force him into easy mistakes as shown in the Ball State game.
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At QB or across the board? And are they familiar with our defense?
Their quarterback sounds solid and experienced but I just don’t see them scoring a ton of points on us. They’re right to go after Wimbush and try to force mistakes, but you have to think Kelly and Long will take the handcuffs off after last week and let him do what he does best. Or, if he can’t, ride with Book. For this game, that ought to be enough.

 

[ACamp1900]

Vandy has the same talent as ND??? Even I wouldn't go there... lol

 

[Dizzyphil]

At QB or across the board? And are they familiar with our defense?
Their quarterback sounds solid and experienced but I just don’t see them scoring a ton of points on us. They’re right to go after Wimbush and try to force mistakes, but you have to think Kelly and Long will take the handcuffs off after last week and let him do what he does best. Or, if he can’t, ride with Book. For this game, that ought to be enough.

Vandy has the same talent as ND??? Even I wouldn't go there... lol

just the messenger....



Can't reach through the radio and choke them......

 

[IrishLax]

At QB or across the board? And are they familiar with our defense?
Their quarterback sounds solid and experienced but I just don’t see them scoring a ton of points on us. They’re right to go after Wimbush and try to force mistakes, but you have to think Kelly and Long will take the handcuffs off after last week and let him do what he does best. Or, if he can’t, ride with Book. For this game, that ought to be enough.

I almost think the opposite. I think he has the biggest issues when teams drop 8 in a zone and ask him to read the defense/throw with anticipation.

When teams gets aggressive I think that gives him the opportunity to be a playmaker.

 

[dublinirish]

I almost think the opposite. I think he has the biggest issues when teams drop 8 in a zone and ask him to read the defense/throw with anticipation.

When teams gets aggressive I think that gives him the opportunity to be a playmaker.

yup guys on II podcast said same thing when BW gets out of the pocket to avoid a blitz he is generally better because there is one less defender to worry about in coverage and he must make a quick decision to run or get the ball out

 

[GowerND11]

well, in context to Vandy, do you deny that ND has a superior roster? On talent alone, ND should win this game 95 times out of 100. If you had equal rosters, pretty sure ND would not win 95 out of 100 because there is that much difference in coaching staffs. When Vegas sets the line, the factor in both. So in this case, it is based on talent IMO.

No I don't deny that. What I'm saying is games aren't won on talent alone. Talent can also fluctuate. It isn't set in stone when the recruits sign the LOIs. My argument to Koon is he fixated almost solely on stars and that's it. This has been his motive all the time in regards to playing "lesser opponents."

 

[Irish#1]

Talent is the most important item, but scheme is a very close second. Implement a good scheme that creates mismatches and lesser teams have a chance. Coaches need to be smart enough to know how to create the mismatch.

 

[koonja]

No I don't deny that. What I'm saying is games aren't won on talent alone. Talent can also fluctuate. It isn't set in stone when the recruits sign the LOIs. My argument to Koon is he fixated almost solely on stars and that's it. This has been his motive all the time in regards to playing "lesser opponents."

Stars matter. When a team has 45 and another has 6, that matters.

If a team has 30 and another has 40, it matters far less.

My point is were going to win this game on talent alone, but I dont want that to be the case Saturday. I want to win because of energy and game plan as well (IE, coaching). This shouldn't be 31-24 with our starters playing the entire game. This should be 38-20.

You have your nose so far up my butt again that you're ranting and raving about a point I never made.

Ps, sorry about the smell up there. Your wife made stew last night.

 

[ACamp1900]

I want to win because of energy and game plan as well (IE, coaching).

Our site coaches always impact ND on the field.......

 

[T Town Tommy]

I almost think the opposite. I think he has the biggest issues when teams drop 8 in a zone and ask him to read the defense/throw with anticipation.

When teams gets aggressive I think that gives him the opportunity to be a playmaker.

I agree. I think Mason comes out on defense straight up. He will go in to the game thinking his DL can control the line of scrimmage. Don't know if they do that or not but Mason - while a good natured guy - has a football ego. He thinks Vandy is better and that they will win. I obviously don't agree with that however.

 

[GowerND11]

Stars matter. When a team has 45 and another has 6, that matters.

If a team has 30 and another has 40, it matters far less.

My point is were going to win this game on talent alone, but I dont want that to be the case Saturday. I want to win because of energy and game plan as well (IE, coaching). This shouldn't be 31-24 with our starters playing the entire game. This should be 38-20.

You have your nose so far up my butt again that you're ranting and raving about a point I never made.

Ps, sorry about the smell up there. Your wife made stew last night.

Not married, try again.

Your point is the same old tired trope though. Why You just expect stars to always be the end of everything. It matters, but there are way too many variables than that. I don't think this will be a close game. I believe ND gets back on track. But it matters more about what is done on the field (practice and film room too) right now, than what a team is ranked. (See: App St. v Michigan/PSU, Boise St. v OU etc.)

Those are anomalies, yes, but getting up for a game, executing the game plan, and wanting to beat the guy in front of you have no star rankings.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Ps, sorry about the smell up there. Your wife made stew last night.

I see someone is keeping it classy.

 

[koonja]

I see someone is keeping it classy.

What's wrong with stew?

Nice of you to log into your other account to chime in.

I never start the fight, but I'll finish it.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

What's wrong with stew?

Nice of you to log into your other account to chime in.

I never start the fight, but I'll finish it.

Why is he allowed to post like this?

 

[irishnd31]

 

[GowerND11]

Why is he allowed to post like this?

Because he never does anything bad enough, and we look like we're attacking him.

Actually, I don't mind Koon. I think he's probably an alright guy I could grab a beer with. He just has a way in which he words things here, maybe how he believes the world, that will not allow for any real wiggle room to argue against. BUT he also always allows himself an escape.

 

[koonja]

Why is he allowed to post like this?

Because I never start things.

 

[Rack Em]

This is hilarious coming from you. I literally never get into it with someone unless they start it (see above).

You are the opposite. You start the attacks (which are far worse than above).

There's nothing worse than the person who decides they're going to try to be a bully online and start something that doesn't need to happen.

You're a starter. I'm a finisher.

Koon coming in like...

 

[condoms SUCk]

sooooooooo......anyone wanna meet up at the South Club for a drink before the game?