Sep 7 | Michigan

[WakeUpEchoes]

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, sorry if I missed it. What was up with the clock running before the first half when TJ (I think TJ) caught a ball and went out of bounds? We lost like 15 seconds.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, sorry if I missed it. What was up with the clock running before the first half when TJ (I think TJ) caught a ball and went out of bounds? We lost like 15 seconds.

Excellent question. I was wondering that too.

 

[NDWorld247]

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, sorry if I missed it. What was up with the clock running before the first half when TJ (I think TJ) caught a ball and went out of bounds? We lost like 15 seconds.

I don't know this for sure, but I think if a player is forced/knocked/tackled out of bounds it's not considered out of bounds. On that play, TJ caught the ball with his back to the sideline and the defender knocked him out of bounds. The announcers were confused by this as well.

Of course it's also possible the official made a mistake and didn't stop the clock, but it seemed like too easy of a call for that to be the case.

 

[frankygoes69]

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[frankygoes69]

Let's get through the rest of the season and WIN out!

 

[BeauBenken]

I don't know this for sure, but I think if a player is forced/knocked/tackled out of bounds it's not considered out of bounds. On that play, TJ caught the ball with his back to the sideline and the defender knocked him out of bounds. The announcers were confused by this as well.

Of course it's also possible the official made a mistake and didn't stop the clock, but it seemed like too easy of a call for that to be the case.

I believe your first explanation was the case. You must step out. Not be forced out.

 

[RDU Irish]

I grew up in a region of experimental television. There was a program called Varmint Dynasty. There will never again be anything like it.

sounds like a "Red Green" spin off.


Haven't chimed in yet on the game. I was most impressed with Michigan, obvious flaws but the Gardner/Gallon combo deserves respect. They can beat anyone on their schedule and have every right to be excited about the season ahead of them. Gardner is the real deal and a playmaker like that at QB can make up for a TON of deficiencies elsewhere, and keep them in plenty of games. Kudos to them on a well executed win.

The Gallon pinball/bowling pin TD was embarrassing. That was fundamentals (lacking) that erased the fact four or five guys were in position to make the play. Even so, we had an entire game to make up for it and kept falling short. Down 4 in the fourth quarter is not the arse kicking some make it out to be, we fought hard to the end.

Disappointed, but not overly surprised, by our defense. Really didn't know what our LBs would look like, held out hope they would thrive and other strengths would hide their inexperience. After Temple I moderated my expectations on defense to a top 15 unit from a top 5 unit. Now I think we are probably more like top 25 overall. Thankfully I think our offense is making strides to be productive and consistently score 25+ per game against good competition.

Encouraged by our work in the trenches on both sides of the ball, especially offense. I expect us to run down the throat of MSU and Purdue with more RBs rotated in there for fresh legs.

I am encouraged by the offense, I feel like they are close to developing more of a killer instinct and putting up more points. TJ, Davaris, Troy and Brown look like a top 10 receiving group to me as they all seem to be developing nicely, love the down field blocking too. They will be much better at year end than they are now and next year should be even better. Consider next year we can run an empty back field with a mobile QB...... RBs look to be sorting themselves out, Amir and Cam carry the load with a dose of GAIII. Tommy has all the tools around him and we just have to deal with the occasional muffed passes. He will stall some drives out that will be frustrating, we can only hope that is minimized in games were our margin of error is lower.

 

[Irish#1]

I think it teaches us a few things about society:

1.) Southerners don't watch Northern football.
2.) Southerners love them some redneck TV.
3.) Northerners love laughing at rednecks on TV.

Duck Dynasty reaches both segments of the population while northern college football only reaches one. Once again, the South is to blame.

Save your Dixie cups. The South shall rise again.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, sorry if I missed it. What was up with the clock running before the first half when TJ (I think TJ) caught a ball and went out of bounds? We lost like 15 seconds.

I don't know this for sure, but I think if a player is forced/knocked/tackled out of bounds it's not considered out of bounds. On that play, TJ caught the ball with his back to the sideline and the defender knocked him out of bounds. The announcers were confused by this as well.

Of course it's also possible the official made a mistake and didn't stop the clock, but it seemed like too easy of a call for that to be the case.

I believe your first explanation was the case. You must step out. Not be forced out.

I was very confused by the same thing as in the original post (and I think it was closer to 35 seconds by the time the play was run). Below are two extracts from the NCAA rules for 2013/2014 (link to the PDF is below); first extract is from top of page FR 49 (time) and the second extract is from top of page FR 59 (ball in play; out of bounds)

NCAA Publications - 2013 AND 2014 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations

3.3.2.d.2 (Starting and Stopping the Clock: Starts on the Snap)
d. Starts on the Snap. For each of the following, the game clock is stopped on
an official’s signal. If the next play begins with a snap, the game clock will
start on the snap:

2. With fewer than two minutes remaining in a half a Team A ball carrier,
fumble or backward pass is ruled out of bounds. (Exception: After a
Team A forward fumble, the clock starts on the referee’s signal.)

Was definitely less than 2 minutes remaining. TJ was Team A ball carrier. Question: does the a rule about when someone is declared out of bounds state they are OOB only when they put themselves out of bounds? (see next extract)

4.2.1.a (Out of Bounds)
Player Out of Bounds
ARTICLE 1. a. A player is out of bounds when any part of his person touches
anything, other than another player or game official, on or outside a boundary
line (A.R. 4-2-1-I and II).

Nothing in this rule differentiates between the player himself stepping out of bounds, or the defender tackling/forcing the player out of bounds. I quickly looked at the interpretations and there is nothing that indicates that the clock only stops when the player A puts himself out of bounds.

Also, at the 11 minute mark of the forth QTR, Gardner scrambled out of the pocket and was knocked out of bounds by the ND defense and the clocked stopped while the ball was spotted; same thing happened on Michigan's first play from scrimmage to start the second half, but in that case you could argue that Gardner stepped out, although Farley did give him a bit of a shove.

 

[domer13]

I was very confused by the same thing as in the original post (and I think it was closer to 35 seconds by the time the play was run). Below are two extracts from the NCAA rules for 2013/2014 (link to the PDF is below); first extract is from top of page FR 49 (time) and the second extract is from top of page FR 59 (ball in play; out of bounds)

NCAA Publications - 2013 AND 2014 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations


Nothing in this rule differentiates between the player himself stepping out of bounds, or the defender tackling/forcing the player out of bounds. I quickly looked at the interpretations and there is nothing that indicates that the clock only stops when the player A puts himself out of bounds.

When I saw it happen live, I thought it was a forward progress issue. TJ was held up (briefly) in bounds, then was pushed out. If the side judge ruled that his forward progress had been stopped, then the play would have been over (with TJ being "tackled" in bounds, thus keeping the clock running.)

I don't think it was the right call. There didn't seem to be enough time to justify blowing the play dead.

 

[rocket66]

I credit you guys for being able to go back and watch that game again. I delete losses off the DVR immediately. Can't stand that feeling.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

When I saw it happen live, I thought it was a forward progress issue. TJ was held up (briefly) in bounds, then was pushed out. If the side judge ruled that his forward progress had been stopped, then the play would have been over (with TJ being "tackled" in bounds, thus keeping the clock running.)

I don't think it was the right call. There didn't seem to be enough time to justify blowing the play dead.

That is a good point, and agree that it is probably a pretty lose interpretation of forward progress being held up. If that is the ruling, I wish we had had this official for the 2005 USC game

 

[BGIF]

I don't know this for sure, but I think if a player is forced/knocked/tackled out of bounds it's not considered out of bounds. On that play, TJ caught the ball with his back to the sideline and the defender knocked him out of bounds. The announcers were confused by this as well.

Of course it's also possible the official made a mistake and didn't stop the clock, but it seemed like too easy of a call for that to be the case.

Late in the half or near the end of the game it's typical clock management to run out of bounds to stop the clock. The clock stops whether the player voluntary goes out of bounds or is assisted. You'll see defenders that have "stood up" a WR or RB try to prevent them from getting OB to stop the clock.

I believe your second paragraph nailed it, it was a missed call.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Serious Question:

Arguing with my Ann Arbor buddy.

Who has the better business school ND or Ann Arbor?

Honestly, want to know and un-fortunately his intellic has more ammo to fire than mine in this scenario

 

[gkIrish]

Serious Question:

Arguing with my Ann Arbor buddy.

Who has the better business school ND or Ann Arbor?

Honestly, want to know and un-fortunately his intellic has more ammo to fire than mine in this scenario

Notre Dame has the higher ranked undergraduate business school (#1 according to Bloomberg). I'm pretty sure Michigan has the better graduate programs.

 

[BGIF]

Serious Question:

Arguing with my Ann Arbor buddy.

Who has the better business school ND or Ann Arbor?

Honestly, want to know and un-fortunately his intellic has more ammo to fire than mine in this scenario

We're #1

Best Undergraduate Business Schools 2013


There's a thread on this somewhere on IE.

 

[rtrn2glory]

thanks guys, but need more help now!!

any way i can find out which players have graduated from ND with a Business degree the last 10 years??

thanks!!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Notre Dame has the higher ranked undergraduate business school (#1 according to Bloomberg). I'm pretty sure Michigan has the better graduate programs.

That's generally true across the board, but that doesn't stop UM fans from touting the superiority of degrees that their football players will never earn.

Businessweek ranks UM's MBA program at 8th, and ND's at 20th.

 

[Voltaire]

thanks guys, but need more help now!!

any way i can find out which players have graduated from ND with a Business degree the last 10 years??

thanks!!

Go to LinkedIn and search for former ND players. Most of them who are on there have their majors in their profiles. It's actually a pretty fun exercise seeing what they're up to now. For instance, former kicker D.J. Fitzpatrick who got his degree in accounting from the business school is today working in wealth management for Goldman Sachs in West Palm Beach, FL. Look up other players. It's interesting.

 

[dublinirish]

Go to LinkedIn and search for former ND players. Most of them who are on there have their majors in their profiles. It's actually a pretty fun exercise seeing what they're up to now. For instance, former kicker D.J. Fitzpatrick who got his degree in accounting from the business school is today working in wealth management for Goldman Sachs in West Palm Beach, FL. Look up other players. It's interesting.

yup for example here is Maurice Crum:
Bunch of Willingham/Weis era guys on the right hand side panel:
Maurice Crum | LinkedIn

 

[Whiskeyjack]

In related news, LSUFreek really dislikes ND.

 

[Kak7304]

thanks guys, but need more help now!!

any way i can find out which players have graduated from ND with a Business degree the last 10 years??

thanks!!

It'd be tough to find a complete list because a lot of football players major in business.

 

[Kak7304]

I'm a bit curious so I'm looking around on LinkedIn. Ambrose Wooden is an associate at Goldman Sachs in NYC. Duval Kamara is in marketing and advertising. Also looks like Chris Stewart is back in law school at ND after the NFL didn't work out. Those are just a few I remember being in business while I was at ND but the list is much, much greater.

 

[IrishLax]

Michigan looks like absolute crap right now. Either we got their A game or our team really sucks at D.

 

[eNDzone]

Michigan looks like absolute crap right now. Either we got their A game or our team really sucks at D.

Michigan was flying all over the field during the ND game and they are 7 to 3 with 5 min. left in the 1st half against Akron. Looks like they spent too much energy last week doing the chicken dance.

 

[Rack Em]

Michigan looks like absolute crap right now. Either we got their A game or our team really sucks at D.

I just turned it on because I absolutely DESPISE giving the B1G network viewership.

 

[koonja]

Their defense is getting chizzed on (anyone?).

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Do they EVER get called for PI in the big house? That was a clear interference over the middle a few plays back

 

[IrishLax]

Do they EVER get called for PI in the big house? That was a clear interference over the middle a few plays back

No joke. What garbage.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Michigan looks like absolute crap right now. Either we got their A game or our team really sucks at D.

I think we certainly got their A game and the atmosphere lifted them while possibly overwhelming us but this is Akron.. A team that won one game last year against Morgan St. A team that lost to UMASS...

It's tough to watch this and not wonder what the hell was going on with our defense.