SEC Open Thread

[ND NYC]

so when does the ncaa investigation/self reporting begin for ole miss here?

(wont hold my breath...)

 

[Irish YJ]

so when does the ncaa investigation/self reporting begin for ole miss here?

(wont hold my breath...)

Come on NYC. The NCAA has more important things to do like the Satellite Camp issue right now.

 

[irishtrain]

SEC SEC SEC we all have a good laugh

 

[PANDFAN]

The latest football program to send the tracker back to double zeroes is Auburn, with the Opelika-Auburn News reporting that four Tigers football players, defensive end Byron Cowart, defensive back Carlton Davis, wide receiver Ryan Davis and defensive back Jeremiah Dinson, were arrested by the Auburn police department late Saturday night. According to the News, all four were arrested on a single charge each of second-degree possession of marijuana.

Four Auburn Tigers arrested for pot possession – CollegeFootballTalk

 

[Luckylucci]

Bo Davis to leave Alabama due to possible recruiting violations | TuscaloosaNews.com

Taking one for the team. Certainly Saban couldn't have known anything about this. He's only employed the guy on two occasions including his original staff at Bama. At least Saban is good at identifying character traits, he doesn't like no snitches.

 

[military_irish]

Interesting and would make sense if the allegations are true. I get a kick out of the fact that Tunsil is viewed as a victim and completely disregarding the content of the leaked information.

I love this quote from the article.

...someone used his Twitter account to post a video of him smoking a substance with a bong and gas mask.

A substance? As if any common sense person could not make a highly educated guess of that substance. I've never seen anyone smoke a cigarette or cigar in that fashion.


Tunsil Camp Trying to Determine If Ex-Adviser Had Access to Social Media Accounts - ESPN

 

[PANDFAN]

College Football Girlfriends Are Now Getting Instagram Endorsements | The Big Lead

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Ole Miss verifies Tunsil texts as real <a href="https://t.co/UqDrerragr">https://t.co/UqDrerragr</a></p>— Alex McDaniel (@AlexMcDaniel) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexMcDaniel/status/730803448594239488">May 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[NorthDakota]

Good read on Marcus Lattimore. Happy to see he is doing well after those horrific injuries.

Former South Carolina Gamecocks RB Marcus Lattimore finds new life, happiness after knee injuries

 

[PANDFAN]

cbs 5 most overhyped teams this year

cbs 5 most overhyped teams this year

3. Tennessee
It feels like an annual rite of passage with Tennessee football these days. Every year we go into a new season believing it's the season that Tennessee finally puts it all together and wins the SEC East. It's no different in 2016, and I believe that this year could end up being the best season the Vols have had in quite a while.
The SEC East certainly is an achievable goal.
The reason I have Tennessee on this list isn't because I don't think it's going to be a good team in 2016, nor is that I don't believe Tennessee should be ranked to start the season. I mean, it finished last year ranked No. 22 in the AP Poll.
The reason I have Tennessee on this list is because I have seen the Vols ranked in the top 10 at some places, and in my opinion, that's moving just a bit too fast.
The Vols won five SEC games last season, including a nice 38-31 win against Georgia. The other four wins came against Kentucky, South Carolina, Missouri and Vanderbilt. Four SEC teams that managed to go a combined 6-26 in conference play last season.
The Vols still lost to Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama and Arkansas. They weren't blown out in any of those losses (the seven-point loss to Oklahoma was the biggest margin), and losing close typically comes before winning close, which is a very good sign going forward for Tennessee. But maybe we should slow down on the top-10 stuff until Tennessee is winning those games.

 

[ACamp1900]

I see still stuff here and there from UT fans talking about Notre Dame is always overrated and can't win big games... only plays Navy blah, blah, blah... I just smh and laugh like, "Dude, you're a Tennessee fan... come one."

 

[dublinirish]

BREAKING - NCAA Charges Against Ole Miss Announced - WCBI.com

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Among <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OleMiss?src=hash">#OleMiss</a> self-imposed penalties in FB: recruiting suspensions for 2 coaches; a monetary fine of $159,326 & scholarship reductions</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/736209137319579648">May 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OleMiss?src=hash">#OleMiss</a> <a href="https://t.co/lA5YlNV5zV">pic.twitter.com/lA5YlNV5zV</a></p>— Ole Hotty Toddy (@OleHottyToddy) <a href="https://twitter.com/OleHottyToddy/status/736213893232627712">May 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[pkt77242]

BREAKING - NCAA Charges Against Ole Miss Announced - WCBI.com

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Among <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OleMiss?src=hash">#OleMiss</a> self-imposed penalties in FB: recruiting suspensions for 2 coaches; a monetary fine of $159,326 & scholarship reductions</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/736209137319579648">May 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OleMiss?src=hash">#OleMiss</a> <a href="https://t.co/lA5YlNV5zV">pic.twitter.com/lA5YlNV5zV</a></p>— Ole Hotty Toddy (@OleHottyToddy) <a href="https://twitter.com/OleHottyToddy/status/736213893232627712">May 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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It is the perfect day for Ole Miss to release the charges and their response.
Ole Miss requests delay in NCAA process

 

[phork]

Ole Miss giving up scholarships is a damn joke since they are one of the worst offenders at oversigning.

 

[Legacy]

Ole Miss giving up scholarships is a damn joke since they are one of the worst offenders at oversigning.

phork,
Oversigning at Ole Miss has been dealt with by the SEC recruiting rules effective 2012. Teams are limited to twenty-five signees a year (100/120 total over four/five years)

Ole Miss's numbers and coaching change to Freeze:

In the four classes from 2008-11 - Ole Miss averaged 30.0 recruits per year.
In the five classes from 2012-16 - Ole Miss has averaged 25.0 recruits per year (120 for five years).

For the 2012-16 classes, Notre Dame has averaged 22.4 recruits per year (112 over five years).

Enrolled recruits 2012-16 (assuming all '16 recruits enroll) - Ole Miss had five signed recruits who did not enroll. Notre Dame had four who were not on the fall roster.

JUCO recruits need to be replaced every two years, which over four years of classes increases total numbers. Over the last five recruiting classes, Ole Miss had sixteen JUCO players sign and enroll with them. (Five of those players from the '12 and '13 classes are no longer on Ole Miss's roster.) ND had none, of course.

Ole Miss had scholarships to give after NSD this year and gave two late scholarships to JUCO players. Under Freeze, they are being more selective with JUCOs.

SEC learning to live with new 25-player signing cap

SEC OVERSIGNING

Here's a list of the average number of recruits signed by SEC schools from 2008 through 2011 before the league's 25-signee limit took effect. In parenthesis is the number of 2012 commitments/early signees for each school.

Ole Miss -- 30.0 (16)

Auburn -- 28.3 (15)

Arkansas -- 27.8 (21)

Alabama -- 26.8 (27)

South Carolina -- 26.5 (24)

Mississippi State -- 25.5 (25)

Kentucky -- 24.8 (23)

* Texas A&M -- 24.5 (20)

LSU -- 25.3 (20)

Tennessee -- 22.8 (20)

Georgia -- 22.0 (16)

* Missouri -- 22.0 (17)

Florida -- 21.3 (21)

Vanderbilt -- 21.0 (22)

* Texas A&M and Missouri play in the Big 12 and join the SEC next season.

Source: Rivals.com

 

[irishtrain]

I see still stuff here and there from UT fans talking about Notre Dame is always overrated and can't win big games... only plays Navy blah, blah, blah... I just smh and laugh like, "Dude, you're a Tennessee fan... come one."

I don't see them scheduling Navy/Army--after what Navy did to South Carolina a few years ago the sec avoids the marines.

 

[irishtrain]

What istillustrates is that any kid who wants to succeed, can go anywhere and do so. Kid was offered by Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn, Duke, etc.. I'm sure many bashed him for not going to an "academic" school. He'll be just fine I think.

What I don't like is taking a few college studs academically and making the assumption that they represent what you are doing with these kids. We all know what's going on so don't throw the Dobbs and Barrett Jones in our faces like that's what is going on across the board. Its an everyday experience at Notre Dame.

 

[Legacy]

Laremy Tunsil's stepdad gave the NCAA a ton of info during its Ole Miss investigation

With Friday's release of the university's response to the NCAA, a colorful portrait emerges of Miller's relationship with an Ole Miss booster and his presence at Tunsil's official visit weekend. Furthermore, the university straight-up admits that, without Miller's statements to Ole Miss and the NCAA, no knowledge of Tunsil's dealing with boosters or agents or whoever would have ever come to light.

Had it not been for this altercation, which resulted in [Lindsey Miller's] decision to disclose his secret dealings in an effort to harm [Laremy Tunsil], it is unlikely that the University or enforcement staff (or [Tunsil]) would have discovered [Miller's] connection to the two boosters.

Just as we suspected all along, Miller sold Tunsil out to anyone who would listen. Six of the 13 football allegations, including three of the eight Level I allegations, seem to come directly out of Miller's collaboration with the NCAA.

Plenty of details...

 

[T Town Tommy]

What I don't like is taking a few college studs academically and making the assumption that they represent what you are doing with these kids. We all know what's going on so don't throw the Dobbs and Barrett Jones in our faces like that's what is going on across the board. Its an everyday experience at Notre Dame.

The list of outstanding student athletes at a lot of schools would probably surprise some. Most schools don't make as huge of a deal of it as some schools and their fans however.

As far as the whole Ole Miss ordeal. It isn't over yet and Freeze will probably wish he had never thrown the challenge out to prove his program was above board when he signed his monster class three years ago. There are a lot of things going on behind the scenes on this investigation and there are some well planted sources that leak out the info on a few forums from time to time.

 

[Legacy]

Ole Miss scholarship situation after self-imposed sanctions

Ole Miss scholarship situation after self-imposed sanctions

Ole Miss' self-imposed scholarship sanctions are loss of:
1 Scholarship - 2015
2 Scholarships - 2016
4 Scholarships - 2017 & 2018

2016 Class Analysis
Freeze signed 22 recruits ("counters") for the 2015 and 26 for the 2016 class. (2014 class was twenty-five signees, twenty-four enrolled).

-- Eight players from 2016 enrolled early.
-- Two from the eight EEs count towards 2015, leaving Ole Miss at twenty-four for 2015 (1 Scholarship less for the sanctions. Also, Ole Miss was at eighty scholarships in 2015 prior to any walkon scholarships given out.)
-- That leaves twenty-four from the 2016 class, which needs to be twenty-three (2 scholarships lost). Tariqious Tisdale has not passed his ACT. If he does not, Ole Miss has met their mark. He or another signee may be asked to grayshirt.
-- In addition to the eight early enrollees, twelve four star recruits will come in the fall. Of the other six, four are offense linemen, Tisdale (OLB) and Jarrion Street (38th ranked RB by 247). After 2016, Ole Miss will have three OL on scholarship, so all OL are at a position of need.

Scholarship Players at this time
Freeze recruited right up to eight-five total scholarships with the 2016 signees, even signing two JUCO players after NSD. If all signees qualify and if he did not give scholarships to the two kickers, Ole Miss would be at eighty-four. Eligibility - 19 Seniors, 17 Juniors, 13 Sophs, 12 RS Freshmen, 24 Incoming Freshmen.

Getting to eighty-three for 2016
With two kickers on scholarship, Ole Miss would be at eighty-six with all the 2016 class.
Freeze has one Redshirt Senior - Temario Strong, ILB - who is not listed on their three deep after spring practice.

Other possible attrition
Redshirt Juniors not on the three deep, who may leave, include:
Eugene Brazley, RB
Trey Bledsoe, WR
Herbert Moore, NT (ACL injury last year)
Rayshawn Smith, OLB (RS in 2014, did not play in 2015)

2017 Scholarship Reductions to Eighty-One and the 2017 Class
For 2017, Ole Miss needs to be at eighty-one scholarships and has nineteen graduating Seniors from a total of eighty-three allowed scholarship players this year. Without attrition past what gets Ole Miss to eighty-three this year, their 2017 class would be seventeen. (Currently, the class has four verbals.) With some of those RS Juniors listed above not offered a fifth year for 2017, they could take a class in the low 20s.

 

[dublinirish]

Hugh Freeze: 'We made mistakes, but we're not going to cheat'

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Hugh Freeze: 'We made mistakes, but we're not going to cheat'

What a turd. He keeps saying "I own it," and "I take responsibility," then throws in a "but.....but......but" before making some asinine comment that denies any responsibility. Fire this goon now.

 

[koonja]

Verne Lundquist stepping down after this year. Will miss his calls, surprised he's still going as he looks so old.

I really enjoy watching the big SEC game every week. Outside of ND, it's by far the most exciting football to watch IMO and Verne was a small part of that.

 

[IrishLion]

Gonna be honest, Verne annoyed the sh*t out of me.

It's entertaining to listen to him for one or two games... but after that, his strange noises and "harumphs" and "hmmms" and ill-timed, often-wrong exclamations and "wow!" are just terrible.

Nessler taking his place and calling the games with Danielson will be a much better pairing.

 

[ACamp1900]

Gonna be honest, Verne annoyed the sh*t out of me.

It's entertaining to listen to him for one or two games... but after that, his strange noises and "harumphs" and "hmmms" and ill-timed, often-wrong exclamations and "wow!" are just terrible.

It was simply maddening when he would have to cover non-SEC games and all he would talk about was the SEC... I swear I remember a bowl game ( I want to say it was a Sun Bowl but I could be wrong) a couple years back where he and whoever were covering two non-SEC teams and the preview came up for a bowl game with some SEC team in it and he and his partner flat out said something along the lines of, "It'll be nice to cover real football again won't it??"

blow me.

 

[gkIrish]

It was simply maddening when he would have to cover non-SEC games and all he would talk about was the SEC... I swear I remember a bowl game a couple years back where he and whoever were covering two non-SEC teams and the preview came up for a bowl game with some SEC team in it and he and his partner flat out said something along the lines of, "It'll be nice to cover real football again won't it??"

blow me.

That was probably the Sun Bowl. I think it's the only bowl game on CBS.

 

[ACamp1900]

That was probably the Sun Bowl. I think it's the only bowl game on CBS.

Ha! Edited it while you posted this... I seem to remember it being a Sun Bowl... aren't there a couple of other ones on CBS stations though? idk...

 

[Ndaccountant]

Gonna be honest, Verne annoyed the sh*t out of me.

It's entertaining to listen to him for one or two games... but after that, his strange noises and "harumphs" and "hmmms" and ill-timed, often-wrong exclamations and "wow!" are just terrible.

Nessler taking his place and calling the games with Danielson will be a much better pairing.

Nessler play by play is one of my favorites. Loved Ron Franklin too when he was calling the 7:30 ET games on ESPN when I was a kid.

 

[Legacy]

How the discrimination of Alabama football star O.J. Howard changed a school (al.com, May 31, 2016)

In Southern Towns, 'Segregation Academies' Are Still Going Strong (Atlantic, 2012)

 

[KPENN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow. Simmons is the 5-star DL recruit caught on tape beating a woman a few months ago. <a href="https://t.co/v1vghJbhvC">https://t.co/v1vghJbhvC</a></p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/738465842984144896">June 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MissState's statement on admitting 5-star DL Jeffery Simmons after beating a woman. Suspended for So. Alabama game: <a href="https://t.co/QKlxiiSUju">https://t.co/QKlxiiSUju</a></p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/738470063565479936">June 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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