SEC Open Thread

[ACamp1900]

He's just trying to up the bidding war until every member of his family gets a new car...

 

[T Town Tommy]

He's just trying to up the bidding war until every member of his family gets a new car...

REC putting in some work!!!!

Freeze was down there today to "visit" Little. That's gonna be Hugh's downfall. Can't be associated with the handing off of $. Rookie.

 

[DONTH8]

I didn't know where else to post this, and I don't know if it's already been talked about. Apparently the Colts' owner is pretty set on trying to lure Saban to the NFL bringing out all the stops. What are your thoughts?

More talk that Jim Irsay may fire Chuck Pagano, hire Nick Saban | ProFootballTalk

 

[PANDFAN]

REC putting in some work!!!!

Freeze was down there today to "visit" Little. That's gonna be Hugh's downfall. Can't be associated with the handing off of $. Rookie.

i don't think he made the trip...he was supposed to come down to see his game tonight and just so happened to be the day he commits...sounds like bama's bag man got there a tad early and shut this down

 

[T Town Tommy]

i don't think he made the trip...he was supposed to come down to see his game tonight and just so happened to be the day he commits...sounds like bama's bag man got there a tad early and shut this down

Yeah I heard Little's mom requested that he push his commitment back. You want the kid... you go through the mom. My bag man may just save his job after all.

 

[Legacy]

SEC vs Power 5 teams

SEC vs Power 5 teams

So far this year, the SEC is underwhelming outside of the ACC, 2-2

Big 10(1-0) 1. Alabama 35, Wisconsin 17
Big 12(0-2) 1. Tennessee 24, Oklahoma 31
2. Arkansas 24, Texas Tech 35
Pac-12(1-0) 1. Texas A&M 38, Arizona St 17

Their 3-0 record (South Carolina 17, North Carolina 13, Auburn 31, Louisville 24, LSU 34, Syracuse 24) against ACC teams is not exactly breath-taking.
Four more games - all vs ACC teams will determine if they are better or worse than .500:
Florida - Florida State
South Carolina - Clemson
Kentucky - Louisville
Georgia - Georgia Tech

I don't like conference comparisons but have to go with this until we have more SEC teams playing P5 games - and home and home games.

 

[ickythump1225]

I didn't know where else to post this, and I don't know if it's already been talked about. Apparently the Colts' owner is pretty set on trying to lure Saban to the NFL bringing out all the stops. What are your thoughts?

More talk that Jim Irsay may fire Chuck Pagano, hire Nick Saban | ProFootballTalk

Why? Saban to the NFL didn't work once, why would it work this time? Saban is a college coach, and a damn good one. I think he's smart enough to realize what a great situation he's in right now. That's why he ignored the Brink's truck that Texas was trying to park at his house.

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

Why? Saban to the NFL didn't work once, why would it work this time? Saban is a college coach, and a damn good one. I think he's smart enough to realize what a great situation he's in right now. That's why he ignored the Brink's truck that Texas was trying to park at his house.

+1 this......he has it rolling (no pun) in Bama, why leave a good thing.

 

[Irish YJ]

Go Vols

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[zelezo vlk]

Eww

 

[Irish YJ]

Eww

Will be back here January 13 to see the Irish

 

[Legacy]

SEC FCS games and Bottom 25

SEC FCS games and Bottom 25

With Alabama (Charleston) and South Carolina (Citadel) playing their FCS (exhibition) games this weekend prior to their rivalry games with Auburn and Clemson, the SEC FCS schedule will be complete. Only two teams - Florida and LSU - did not play any FCS schools.

Also noteworthy, is the SEC schedule against the FBS bottom feeders - "The Bottom Top 25"
(Week 10 standings - Worst is #1)
#23 Florida Atlantic (Florida)
#21 New Mexico State (Florida, Mississippi)
#18 UTEP (Arkansas)
#16 Idaho (Auburn)
#14 Fresno State (Mississippi)
#10 Eastern Michigan (LSU)
#9 Charlotte (Kentucky)
#4 Louisiana - Monroe (Alabama, Georgia)
#3 North Texas (Tennessee)
#1 UCF (South Carolina)

Mississippi's OOC schedule included a FCS game, two Bottom 25 games, and Memphis.
Florida's OOC schedule includes East Carolina, two Bottom 25 games, and Florida State. (East Carolina lost to Navy by 24and lost to Florida by 7.)

 

[Wingman Ray]

Mississippi's OOC schedule included a FCS game, two Bottom 25 games, and Memphis.

Which kicked that ayyyysssseeee

 

[Legacy]

State of the SEC

State of the SEC

From our friends at RollBamaRoll, who call it like it is:

Roll 'Bama Roll SEC Power Poll: Week Twelve - Roll 'Bama Roll

As we head into the final weekend of the regular season, the SEC could not be more of a mess. Alabama's clearly the best team in the conference, and South Carolina is clearly the worst. Good luck sorting through the rest of it though.

Florida was supposedly the solid second option, but they've looked questionable at best the last few weeks, culminating in a near-loss to a now 2-9 Florida Atlantic team. Arkansas had been the hottest team in the conference, but Dak Prescott and the Bulldogs just put an end to that in a shootout in Fayetteville. LSU was considered one of the best teams in college football a few weeks ago; now there are reports that Les Miles will be let go at the end of the year.

It's been a crazy season in the SEC, and really, the conference has been as down as it's been in some time. Outside of the Crimson Tide, is there really any team that would warrant a spot in an access bowl outside of the SEC tie-in with the Sugar Bowl? Florida will probably occupy that spot, but good luck to the Gators trying to outscore Baylor, Oklahoma, or Oklahoma State in that one.

Les is the guy who said after the first week in September when ten SEC teams were ranked in the Top 25:

"I think the SEC should have 25 teams ranked in the top 25. They didn't quite use all of them or rank second teams. This league is as good as any league in America."

 

[Irish YJ]

Bet someone on the over/under of the Vol's wins this year.... can't find the post. Thought it was in the Hunter Johnson thread... I know it got cleaned up and can't find it...

Can't remember if it was 8 or 9, and who the bet was with.... If I lose an bet you... let me know who to pay lol.

 

[KPENN]

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[Legacy]

Why Les Miles was retained

Why Les Miles was retained

The LSU power struggle was bizarre, and bizarre is where Les Miles thrives - SBNation.com

Forbes Welcome (The Real Reason LSU Was Smart To Keep Miles)

Louisiana state budget shortfal of $100 million and potential repercussions may have played a role.
State officials estimating Louisiana ended latest fiscal year in the red | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana

In addition to last year’s deficit, Louisiana’s free college tuition program, TOPS, is estimated to be short $19 million this year, and the Medicaid program is expected to face a gap that legislative analysts said could reach up to $300 million.

 

[pkt77242]

The LSU power struggle was bizarre, and bizarre is where Les Miles thrives - SBNation.com

Forbes Welcome

Louisiana state budget shortfal of $100 million and potential repercussions may have played a role.
State officials estimating Louisiana ended latest fiscal year in the red | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Les Miles, Mark Richt and the science of making decisions about coaches

 

[RDU Irish]

So far this year, the SEC is underwhelming outside of the ACC, 2-2

Big 10(1-0) 1. Alabama 35, Wisconsin 17
Big 12(0-2) 1. Tennessee 24, Oklahoma 31
2. Arkansas 24, Texas Tech 35
Pac-12(1-0) 1. Texas A&M 38, Arizona St 17

Their 3-0 record (South Carolina 17, North Carolina 13, Auburn 31, Louisville 24, LSU 34, Syracuse 24) against ACC teams is not exactly breath-taking.
Four more games - all vs ACC teams will determine if they are better or worse than .500:
Florida - Florida State
South Carolina - Clemson
Kentucky - Louisville
Georgia - Georgia Tech

I don't like conference comparisons but have to go with this until we have more SEC teams playing P5 games - and home and home games.

1-3 last week vs. the ACC - FSU, Clemson, Louisville winning. Granted that is some top shelf competition but Georgia winning 13-7 over a 3-9 team isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

SEC looks like they will get their but handed to them again this post season too.

 

[Irish#1]

Have to believe the budget shortfall played into this. Even if a booster would have supplied the buyout, the results wouldn't have looked good as questions would arise as to why the booster wouldn't donate that money to the school.

 

[Legacy]

Have to believe the budget shortfall played into this. Even if a booster would have supplied the buyout, the results wouldn't have looked good as questions would arise as to why the booster wouldn't donate that money to the school.

Combing through the terms of Miles' contract subsequent to your reply shows Miles' buyout changes the picture somewhat and would be less. The $15 million buyout quoted is reduced by this year's salary of $4 million to $11 million. He is obligated to seek similiar employment and the buyout would be reduced by that school's salary. If he did not coach again the lenght of buyout payment would be spread out over twice the length of his contract, which ends in 2019. That works out to $800,00 per year.

Another clause prohibits him from coaching at Michigan or suffering a penalty.

The school only pays him $300,000 a year with much of the rest ($3.45 million) paid by "media payments".

Finally, one bonus clause is that his salary/compensation will jump to $100,000 more than the highest paid SEC coach (Saban at $6.9 million) if he wins a national championship.

LSU's buyout for Les Miles could be $11 million, subject to interpretation

CONTRACT CLOSEUP: Combing through the contracts of LSU's head coaches - Football

The devil's in the details.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Combing through the terms of Miles' contract subsequent to your reply shows Miles' buyout changes the picture somewhat and would be less. The $15 million buyout quoted is reduced by this year's salary of $4 million to $11 million. He is obligated to seek similiar employment and the buyout would be reduced by that school's salary. If he did not coach again the lenght of buyout payment would be spread out over twice the length of his contract, which ends in 2019. That works out to $800,00 per year.

Another clause prohibits him from coaching at Michigan or suffering a penalty.

The school only pays him $300,000 a year with much of the rest ($3.45 million) paid by "media payments".

Finally, one bonus clause is that his salary/compensation will jump to $100,000 more than the highest paid SEC coach (Saban at $6.9 million) if he wins a national championship.

LSU's buyout for Les Miles could be $11 million, subject to interpretation

CONTRACT CLOSEUP: Combing through the contracts of LSU's head coaches - Football

The devil's in the details.

Are you implying that Miles was retained due to his buyout?

 

[phillyirish]

Are you implying that Miles was retained due to his buyout?

Can't speak for him, but i think more so do to the fact that the school is facing severe budget short falls and would look irresponsible to be paying for 2 coaches 1 active, 1 fired when the school is about to loose 80% of its state funding due to budget cuts. Can't really convince the public to throw away 15 million buyout plus X millions for a new coach while simultaneously announcing the reduction by half of projected faculty hires.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Sort of, but more so do to the fact that the school is facing severe budget short falls and would look irresponsible to be paying for 2 coaches 1 active, 1 fired when the school is about to loose 80% of its state funding due to budget cuts. Can't really convince the public to throw away 15 million buyout plus X millions for a new coach while simultaneously announcing the reduction by half of projected faculty hires.

The reason I asked is the fact that is was widely reported that boosters had already agreed to pay whatever money was owed to Miles.

 

[Irish#1]

The reason I asked is the fact that is was widely reported that boosters had already agreed to pay whatever money was owed to Miles.

True, but see my earlier post. It would still look bad.

 

[T Town Tommy]

True, but see my earlier post. It would still look bad.

No doubt but I would guess outside money plays a large role at many institutions. Whether it is money well spent could be debated I guess. As far as the state of La and their economic conditions, I don't know much about it.

 

[Ndaccountant]

No doubt but I would guess outside money plays a large role at many institutions. Whether it is money well spent could be debated I guess. As far as the state of La and their economic conditions, I don't know much about it.

I think it has much more to do with how F. King Alexander interacts with the State House. Remember, he had to practically beg for funding this year. If he allowed this to occur, it makes both him and the State House look bad.......AKA, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[Legacy]

Hard to go beyond considerations

Hard to go beyond considerations

that have been outlined and target one reason why Miles was retained. Clearly, multiple factors contributed. I believe I read that Bobby Jindal, who came back to the state to deal with the budget shortfall, came out in support of Miles' retention.

I would suspect that you don't replace Miles unless you have someone of equal or greater ability within range of your rope. Say Jimbo Fisher who may then have bolted within sight of the gate. That coupled with the outpouring of support from players and fans could have been reasons for retention. So we probably can rule out a huge decrease in donations due to his recent failures.

It's also tough to fire a coach who currently has the number 1 recruiting class without the kind of replacement that would turn heads.

Crunching the numbers on his buyout that I provided would be manageable, especially with boosters paying it and the amount decreasing by the salary from any new position. You could not turn around and pass any of the cost to the university or the students.

 

[Legacy]

Richt and other SEC coaches

Richt and other SEC coaches

With Pinkell's (15 years), Richt's (15 years) and Spurrier's (11 years) departures, the three longest tenured SEC coaches are gone. Miles (11 years) just maintained his job. Outside of Miles, only two SEC coaches have tenures longer than five years (Saban, 9 years and Mullen, 7 years). Mullen and Richt are interviewing for the Miami job. Spurrier recently explained why he left in midseason. Pinkell has health issues that need addressing. All three are or probably will be replaced by coordinators.

9-3 and finishing the season with four wins (Kentucky, Auburn, Georgia Southern, Georgia Tech) was not good enough for Richt to keep his job. He lost to Alabama, Tennessee and Florida. Georgia fans expected more. There has been a Fire Mark Richt website for a number of years.

Four other SEC coaches are ranked on the Hot Seat in the top eight (Malzahn #1, Miles #6, Stoops #7, Sumlin #8). All of the coaches mentioned have recently signed extensions, increasing their salaries and buyouts. So, when half your conference coaches have been fired, left or ranked on the hot seat's top eight and another is interviewing for the Miami job, what does that say about the expectations for coaching in the SEC and for college football in general?

Richt had a 74% winning percentage. His Georgia teams went to bowl games all fifteen years. Not good enough. After two years of 7-1 conference records (2011, 2012), his last three years' conference records were 5-3, 6-2, 5-3. In his fifteen years at Georgia, Richt's teams never missed going to a bowl game.

It bears repeating that a coach like Frank Beamer who reached only two six win seasons in his first six years would have been fired before he could start his twenty-three year bowl streak.

 

[Irish#1]

Reports saying Kirby Smart will be the next HC at Georgia.