SEC Open Thread

[Circa]

How about the conference also facing sanctions? I would be all for a conference having to forfeit a postseason bowl game for every team that is on a postseason ban. Maybe then conferences will start trying to better police the blatant stuff like what was happening at Ole Miss. And it was blatant.

And I do believe the NCAA will hammer Ole Miss on this with scholly reductions, a couple of show cause for some coaches, among other things. I do think Freeze gets off... that may be a whole different conversation as to why he would skate however.

Nooooo..... Alabama's is blatant and egregious. Ole Miss Is just SEC BS!

 

[Circa]

Surely it'll be a lot worse than that. I'd think they'll strip a lot of schollies and maybe even hit Freeze and/or some staffers with a show cause if they can tie him or his assistants to payments. If they were flat out buying players and giving them extra benefits (which is what just about everyone believes), they may vacate lots of wins too. I think the NCAA knows virtually every school does some "normal" cheating. Ole Miss the past few years got so brazen and obvious about it that they crossed into SMU territory and the NCAA is likely to make an example of them by treating them like the star actress in a low-budget porn flick.

Buying player's and their family; cars, houses, hookers, jewelry, Referees and concussions isn't normal cheating ".

 

[Circa]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OleMiss?src=hash">#OleMiss</a> has been charged with the dreaded Lack of Institutional Control by the NCAA. The school said it will fight that charge.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/834521371333910529">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So Ole Miss just released an update on its NCAA case via a 20-minute video: <a href="https://t.co/7chMNNqW0J">https://t.co/7chMNNqW0J</a></p>— Dr. Saturday (@YahooDrSaturday) <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooDrSaturday/status/834520453624500224">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Does this Ole Miss stuff deserve it's own thread?

Actually should just open a thread for the soon to be demolished SEC/ESPN.

 

[IrishLax]

The crazy thing is that in these 21 charges not one is about Laremy Tunsil taking money from a coach which he freaking admitted on camera and there was physical evidence proving. It's so hard to get caught by the NCAA, you have to be completely brazen and careless. And even then sometimes they won't get you.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The crazy thing is that in these 21 charges not one is about Laremy Tunsil taking money from a coach which he freaking admitted on camera and there was physical evidence proving. It's so hard to get caught by the NCAA, you have to be completely brazen and careless. And even then sometimes they won't get you.

Well its not like Ole Miss gift wrapped the investigation to the NCAA. I mean. Only idiots would do that!

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[irishtrain]

I don't believe the NCAA has even ventured into proposed penalties at this point. This is Ole Miss trying to get in front of what will be a shit storm of bad publicity, with their self-imposed, one year postseason ban.

Side note: I love how Hugh Freeze is "standing up" for his team and his players. You almost get the sense they are innocent, HAHAHA. But then.......... everyone remembers that Tunsil repeatedly admitted to taking money from coaches. And now, the whole world realizes how Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze became such GREAT recruiters. Cash money ya'll.

'Pete' Finebaum said Freeze was a great recruiter and knew personally that he was just the man he says he is and he was the reason these guys were flocking to Ole Miss---all that crap a few years later falls into the Saban is great for college football category. Just create a league for these guys to play in and get paid so they don't even have to go to college before they try the NFL. The sec is a hypocritical joke and guys like Finebaum are their Jerry Springer. The whole conference should be eye balled to the max but the NCAA has no wishes to cross Sabans conference.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Rumors are out saying that during the investigation Ole Miss gave the NCAA dirt on Mississippi State out of spite.

 

[Luckylucci]

NCAA Levies 9 New Charges On Ole Miss Football Program

Just read through some of the allegations for the first time. Does it strike anyone else as hilarious, that some of these allegations are for impermissible benefits to players, that didn't even end up at Ole Miss? Truly terrible at cheating if you can't even get the kids you cheated for.

 

[mango4]

Rumors are out saying that during the investigation Ole Miss gave the NCAA dirt on Mississippi State out of spite.

Report: Ole Miss reportedly tried to bring Mississippi State down with it in NCAA probe | CollegeFootballTalk

 

[irishtrain]

Do people honestly think this is the only program in the sec to be doing this. C mon man get real. Lets have more post game interviews where we call these guys student athletes to really put the shuck on college football. What is happening now far out weighs the quality football played by the conference and Hugh Feeze comes off as either Gomer Pyle ( gollee what a great recruiting class we signed ) or he's a cheat. Either way the conference smells and is an embarrassment to amateur athletics. I hope that the NCAA lowers the %$#@ boom and starts scrutinizing the whole conference.

 

[Legacy]

How about the conference also facing sanctions? I would be all for a conference having to forfeit a postseason bowl game for every team that is on a postseason ban. Maybe then conferences will start trying to better police the blatant stuff like what was happening at Ole Miss. And it was blatant.

And I do believe the NCAA will hammer Ole Miss on this with scholly reductions, a couple of show cause for some coaches, among other things. I do think Freeze gets off... that may be a whole different conversation as to why he would skate however.

As for the show causes, the NCAA is hammering Art Briles, aren't they? and Baylor for lack of institutional control? How about the conferences penalizing the offending team with loss of 50% of revenue distribution for that year swiftly and not at the NCAA rate of icebergs melting?

 

[Bishop2b5]

As for the show causes, the NCAA is hammering Art Briles, aren't they? and Baylor for lack of institutional control? How about the conferences penalizing the offending team with loss of 50% of revenue distribution for that year swiftly and not at the NCAA rate of icebergs melting?

I think that Ole Miss, in trying to get ahead of NCAA punishment, has already banned themselves from a post season appearance this year and will forfeit their share of the conference bowl money, which will be about $8 million. I believe the NCAA will still hit them hard and add to those self-imposed punishments. I'd like to see the NCAA or the conferences put some real teeth into their punishment. If your program is found guilty of major infractions:

The HC, the AD, and any assistant coaches or admins involved get a 5-year show cause.

Any booster involved with the infractions is banned from any association with the school for 10 years.

You lose enough scholarships to really make it hurt.

All wins & titles stemming from the infractions are vacated.

Minimum 3-year post-season ban.

Loss of all revenue sharing during those years.

All players can transfer immediately with no restrictions and no having to sit out a year.

Signees are not bound by their LOI.

When you start REALLY hitting a program's pocketbook and ending the careers of coaches & AD's, they'll stop that crap.

 

[woolybug25]

So where does the loss of revenue sharing go? To the NCAA or the Conference?

 

[dshans]

So where does the loss of revenue sharing go? To the NCAA or the Conference?

To those who actually "played school," and actually earned a degree of value, graduating with something meaningful tucked under their belts, not just an Escalade and a handful of theft and domestic assault charges?

 

[Bishop2b5]

So where does the loss of revenue sharing go? To the NCAA or the Conference?

Revenue sharing comes from the conference, so what that school forfeited would typically get split amongst the other conference schools.

 

[Legacy]

So where does the loss of revenue sharing go? To the NCAA or the Conference?

Good question. How about the revenue going into a conference "rat" pot, instead of dividing the total revenue by one less? The next school that reports another conference team for serious infractions gets half the initial pot with the corresponding revenue lost by the second infraction team goes into the rat pot, so it continues to grow with each infraction. The next team that reports another gets half that, etc.

I like Bishop's penalties.

 

[woolybug25]

Revenue sharing comes from the conference, so what that school forfeited would typically get split amongst the other conference schools.

So is life... the rich get richer...

Good question. How about the revenue going into a conference "rat" pot, instead of dividing the total revenue by one less? The next school that reports another conference team for serious infractions gets half the initial pot with the corresponding revenue lost by the second infraction team goes into the rat pot, so it continues to grow with each infraction. The next team that reports another gets half that, etc.

I like Bishop's penalties.

I like them too. This isn't an Ole Miss problem, it's not a new problem. The conference should pay. If they hurt, maybe they'll start tending their flock.

 

[Legacy]

This is too good not to post.
OLE MISS IS HAPPENING AGAIN: THE MOST STEREOTYPICAL OLE MISS THING THAT COULD HAPPEN WILL HAPPEN

An excerpt:

Ole Miss has 90 days to respond to the NCAA’s accusations, including the nastiest of all, the dreaded “lack of institutional control”—the one Ole Miss will fight hardest here. They should fight that one, and with reason. There is very little evidence that Ole Miss, or any other big FBS program, is out of control when it comes to recruiting. This is the way things work, and have always worked in the SEC and well beyond.

To the contrary, the same schools showing up every year in the recruiting rankings indicates this is a pretty predictable market for talent, and that the biggest issue a member school or competitor might have with an Ole Miss is a.) public disclosure of black market wages, or b.) paying beyond scale and upsetting everyone else’s salary caps.

That’s it. Beyond that, the rest is a shammy defense of a particularly skinflinty strain of amateurism, or personal invective against Hugh Freeze.

To be fair, Hugh Freeze did and does make it really easy to do that exact thing. He coaches in a very kickable dirt-poor state known mostly for exporting catfish and soybeans, and at a university known for importing a well-off undergrads from the Nashville and Atlanta suburbs for what they think is going to be a four year overnight stay inside a Luke Bryan video. That might not be what it is—there’s less flannel, for one—but it’s what people think Ole Miss is. Let’s put this gently, too: Their academic standards for football players are forgiving, and their academic assistance for them once enrolled is very, very generous.

The point is: If you were going to pick a cartoon punching bag of an SEC school to bag on, it would be Ole Miss, and its most cartoonish huckster ideal of a coach would look and sound a lot like Hugh Freeze.

Some of the comments are priceless.

 

[Legacy]

With Brice Ramsey's transfer, Georgia has two QBs on scholarship - Jacob Eason, Fr, starter, and Jake Fromm, Class of '17, an early enrollee.

Walkons for backup:
Stetson Bennett came in this year, and Sam Vaughn and Parker McLeod (former quarterback at Alabama before leaving the team, then resurfacing at Georgia last year.)

Update: Parker McLeod is no longer on the tea. Stetson Bennett arrives in the fall, leaving three QBs for spring practice.

 

[Rack Em]

More shady dealings in the SEC...classic. Long story short: Porter commits to Washington, dad gets a job on the Mizzou staff, next day Porter commits to Mizzou.

No. 1 prospect Michael Porter Jr. commits to Missouri Tigers

BTW, Porter is the TRUTH. Saw this kid play as a sophomore back in MO and he legit dunked from the free throw line in a game. It made ESPN back then.

 

[Irish#1]

You got to give the guy and his lawyer points for being creative.

https://www.si.com/college-football...itt-blames-indecent-exposure-charge-jock-itch

 

[irishog77]

The ol' "I pulled my donger out to scratch it" defense.

Shouldn't this be in the Brittany Greiner thread?

 

[T Town Tommy]

You got to give the guy and his lawyer points for being creative.

https://www.si.com/college-football...itt-blames-indecent-exposure-charge-jock-itch

If the Aggies could just be this creative on defense, they could finish higher than their now obligatory annual third place finish in the SEC West.

 

[NDPhilly]

Tua Tagovailoa looks like he's going to be incredible for Bama

 

[zelezo vlk]

This article is amazing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/05/10/lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-drinks-an-ungodly-number-of-energy-drinks-per-day/?utm_term=.6a3627768b78

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ed Orgeron says when he's drinking, he'll have 8-10 energy drinks a day: "If we do something LSU we're going to do it full speed." <a href="https://t.co/ecea92OAyR">pic.twitter.com/ecea92OAyR</a></p>— Jordan Heck (@JordanHeckFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/status/862325353586491396">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[phork]

I assume his funeral arrangements have already been made?

 

[NDbrbkny]

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2017/6/...ticize-butch-jones-tennessee-football-program

 

[Legacy]

UGA will pay $3.7 million for nonconference games in 2018

 

[ndfb3.1]

Ole Miss coach Hugh Freeze resigns amid 'explosive new information' - CBSSports.com

 

[BobbyMac]

Hugh Freeze out at Ole Miss.

According to this, he and Petrino should swap jobs. Freeze would fit right in at The Ville.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ole Miss football coach Hugh Freeze made call to number tied to escort service <a href="https://t.co/syuS0LCOQX">https://t.co/syuS0LCOQX</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/USATODAY">@usatoday</a></p>— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/888183089188548612">July 20, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>