Rumored Violations

[IrishLion]

Sooooo, hearings concluded at the end of next week, and then it will take another four weeks to form a committee responsible for announcing the results?

 

[koonja]

Screw it, I'm with everyone else. That's embarrassing.

Not directed at you:

"But what if the committee members are in wheelchairs, happen to be vacationing in New York, are afraid of planes, don't have driver's licenses, there's no train transportation, and they're alergic to horses?!"

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Sooooo, hearings concluded at the end of next week, and then it will take another four weeks to form a committee responsible for announcing the results?

You can't just jump into the Announcement Committee, you need a Search Committee to select its membership. And that's without accounting for the committee that puts together the Search Committee.

 

[koonja]

Brian Kelly: “I don’t have an opinion. And I wouldn't want to share it publicly."

 

[clashmore_jon]

Brian Kelly: “I don’t have an opinion. And I wouldn't want to share it publicly."

i loved at the end of that series of questions, guy says thank you, and BK grunts "my pleasure"

 

[Henges24]

Brian Kelly: “I don’t have an opinion. And I wouldn't want to share it publicly."

So he does have an opinion then...

 

[Cackalacky]

FWIW: No one I ever talk to about football an ND gives two shits about this whole saga. At this point we could reinstate all of the guys and no one other than the media would care.

 

[T Town Tommy]

FWIW: No one I ever talk to about football an ND gives two shits about this whole saga. At this point we could reinstate all of the guys and no one other than the media would care.

Hell, I think you have the rest of CFB fan's sympathy at this point. Enough is enough.

 

[IrishLion]

Let's say hearings are all finished by 4:30pm next Friday... do they play the next day against Stanford if they're cleared?

 

[autry_denson]

Screw it, I'm with everyone else. That's embarrassing.

I keep assuming that there must be some complicating factor that forced them to take an extended period of time to investigate or to check for every possible contingency.

If that's not the case, then this is absolutely embarrassing. Bizarre and shocking would be two other adjectives I would use.

 

[ACamp1900]

.."by the end of NEXT week??"... goodness, if the committee is formed just move forward already.

 

[tussin]

This entire process has been comically inefficient. Talk about embarrassing.

 

[clashmore_jon]

I keep assuming that there must be some complicating factor that forced them to take an extended period of time to investigate or to check for every possible contingency.

If that's not the case, then this is absolutely embarrassing. Bizarre and shocking would be two other adjectives I would use.

BK did allude to this being the first time as far as he knows of a committee like this being formed.

 

[enrico514]

Brian Kelly: “I don’t have an opinion. And I wouldn't want to share it publicly."

love coach speak!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

End of next week isn't great. I would have liked to have Russell and Daniels on the team for the Stanford game if they are actually going to play this year. Now, they would have to play on no practice? Ugh. This isn't thoroughness, this is carelessness. Get your shit together, admins. Whether these are athletes or not it is still a dick move to wait months for a damn committee to be formed.

 

[Cali_domer]

Lame... Lame....Lame....Lame....Lame....

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

BK did allude to this being the first time as far as he knows of a committee like this being formed.

I thought they were being treated like every other student though...

 

[Booslum31]

.."by the end of NEXT week??"... goodness, if the committee is formed just move forward already.

If any of the guys survive this thing, I don't think we see them until Fla State. It's tough being an ND fan at times with all of the self inflicted wounds.

 

[luckathe1]

per BK press conference: committee formed and student athletes to have hearing by end of next week (if all goes as expected)

 

[Booslum31]

The only thing i actually heard was..."if all goes as expected".

 

[TheSunIsRising]

You can't just jump into the Announcement Committee, you need a Search Committee to select its membership. And that's without accounting for the committee that puts together the Search Committee.

Wait, that is heresy!

Shouldn't all of these committees have been created immediately, rather than be formed over time?? These committees are operating contrary to a core belief, and need to be Inquistioned themselves.

 

[clashmore_jon]

If any of the guys survive this thing, I don't think we see them until Fla State. It's tough being an ND fan at times with all of the self inflicted wounds.

It's like we're fucking ourselves right in the pussy

 

[NDdomer2]

ok so i know there were a few folks here who were big on the "they shouldnt be treated different than other students" idea (can't remember who through all this clutter so i apologize). Now we are told they had to form some committee that has never been done before. How is that treating them like other students?

I find it hard to believe that no other time in the history of ND has there been a group of kids who were caught plagiarizing or cheating.

So my question to that group who was all for student equality is; If ND is not going to hear this case equal to a regular student why is it not fair for fans, players, coaches, etc. to demand a process different than regular students? Is it ok they are being treated different as long as it appears ND is being more strict with the athletes?

IMO they are given an extra priveledge that regular students are not so they should be treated differently (more strict), but that also comes with this should have been expedited.

But I see the equal is equal group has nothign to say as long as it appears they aren't getting positive preferential treatment. Can't have it only one way IMO.

 

[IrishLion]

So my question to that group who was all for student equality is; If ND is not going to hear this case equal to a regular student why is it not fair for fans, players, coaches, etc. to demand a process different than regular students? Is it ok they are being treated different as long as it appears ND is being more strict with the athletes?

There ARE regular students involved in the process, no? There are non-athletes that need hearings by this committee as well, I believe.

 

[MNIrishman]

ok so i know there were a few folks here who were big on the "they shouldnt be treated different than other students" idea (can't remember who through all this clutter so i apologize). Now we are told they had to form some committee that has never been done before. How is that treating them like other students?

I find it hard to believe that no other time in the history of ND has there been a group of kids who were caught plagiarizing or cheating.

So my question to that group who was all for student equality is; If ND is not going to hear this case equal to a regular student why is it not fair for fans, players, coaches, etc. to demand a process different than regular students? Is it ok they are being treated different as long as it appears ND is being more strict with the athletes?

IMO they are given an extra priveledge that regular students are not so they should be treated differently (more strict), but that also comes with this should have been expedited.

But I see the equal is equal group has nothign to say as long as it appears they aren't getting positive preferential treatment. Can't have it only one way IMO.

That's what is disconcerting. It seems to indicate that there may be something more complicated going on than a simple academic dishonesty case, which would also explain the inflated timeline.

 

[clashmore_jon]

ok so i know there were a few folks here who were big on the "they shouldnt be treated different than other students" idea (can't remember who through all this clutter so i apologize). Now we are told they had to form some committee that has never been done before. How is that treating them like other students?

I find it hard to believe that no other time in the history of ND has there been a group of kids who were caught plagiarizing or cheating.

So my question to that group who was all for student equality is; If ND is not going to hear this case equal to a regular student why is it not fair for fans, players, coaches, etc. to demand a process different than regular students? Is it ok they are being treated different as long as it appears ND is being more strict with the athletes?

IMO they are given an extra priveledge that regular students are not so they should be treated differently (more strict), but that also comes with this should have been expedited.

But I see the equal is equal group has nothign to say as long as it appears they aren't getting positive preferential treatment. Can't have it only one way IMO.

couple possibilities: 1. BK is wrong, this has happened before, just not in his tenure. 2. somehow because the NCAA is involved and this has turned into a national story (even if it's a crappy one) the university wants to take their time and make sure everyhting is absolutely by the book. 3. fuck i dont know i just want us to play our best football by the time we start in on ranked opponents. tapdancing Christ, why is there some shit like this every year?? i want a championship. fuck.

 

[CarrollVermin]

So, that was a doozy. I don't know what to take away from that, but will try:

1. BK is pissed, and rightfully so. I think his frustration was evident today. But also recognizes that there isn't shit can do about it.

2. Highly unfair of the administration to not speak for itself. You don't leave your head football coach on an island like that, especially when he doesn't have all of the facts.

3. Looks like the talk of NCAA trouble or vacating wins may have been a little premature. Still could happen, but more likely not as imminent as previously thought.

4. Why it takes so long to put together a committee is beyond me. In the business world this takes a few days. Even here at the University, the process takes no more than a week. Finding a time that everyone would meet could raise a potential delay, but not 5 weeks worth of a delay.

5. To the question, if they are cleared would they play next week - most likely. I am not up to speed, and don't expect anyone on here to be, on the process; however, if there is no crime, then there is no punishment so they should be available. On the other hand, if they are found guilty, then who knows when the penalty would be determined, if it is by the same board.

6. Wizard, help me out, is this the "Honesty Committee" that needs to meet? If not, is this committee charged with making a decision and then forwarding it on from there, or is this the final judge and jury?

7. Yes, this has taken forever. Yes, this is embarrassing for the University. Yes, this should be streamlined for the future.

 

[NDohio]

ok so i know there were a few folks here who were big on the "they shouldnt be treated different than other students" idea (can't remember who through all this clutter so i apologize). Now we are told they had to form some committee that has never been done before. How is that treating them like other students?

I find it hard to believe that no other time in the history of ND has there been a group of kids who were caught plagiarizing or cheating.

So my question to that group who was all for student equality is; If ND is not going to hear this case equal to a regular student why is it not fair for fans, players, coaches, etc. to demand a process different than regular students? Is it ok they are being treated different as long as it appears ND is being more strict with the athletes?

IMO they are given an extra priveledge that regular students are not so they should be treated differently (more strict), but that also comes with this should have been expedited.

But I see the equal is equal group has nothign to say as long as it appears they aren't getting positive preferential treatment. Can't have it only one way IMO.

Two things.

1. There are non-athlete students involved as well. This isn't just about football players.

2. The reason this is so different is that an employee of the university is the one that "helped" with the writing of papers. Because she was an employee, that takes this to a whole different level.

I don't believe the specialness in this committee has anything to do with the players.

 

[koonja]

If Ishaq's not guilty, I feel for him. Playing in home town against the other team you heavily considered in Syracuse during your final year in college? Fucking sucks.

DD tweeted out something along the lines of 'frustration set all the way in".

 

[md_bennett]

Maybe I'm just looking for positives here BUT.....all should be done by the end of next week. That could mean that a couple of them are done this week and are available by tomorrow while the entire process has yet to be completed for all students involved. That could mean that they are the first 5 done as there is more at stake for those 5 than for any other student. Maybe they throw BK a bone and get this resolved for the student-athletes first because it has public implications beyond the average anonymous student. At this point who knows what will be the outcome, but I will hold out hope just because somebody needs to.