Rumored Violations

[palinurus]

I think Swarbrick should leak an email, sent this morning, saying that, now that the Irish's easier games are over, it would be great to resolve the suspensions.

 

[Irish Insanity]

See how good we are when we dump the non smart players

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

That shot of Jack walking down the sideline like a doomed man while we were manhandling Michigan gave me a queasy feeling.

The 5 are still out for a reason and it's not just because admins hate football. My guess is something deeper is at hand and Jack knows it. I hope I'm wrong, I was about last night's game.

 

[wizards8507]

That shot of Jack walking down the sideline like a doomed man while we were manhandling Michigan gave me a queasy feeling.

You think Jack looked like a doomed man? I thought he was as swaggy as I've ever seen him.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

That shot of Jack walking down the sideline like a doomed man while we were manhandling Michigan gave me a queasy feeling.

The 5 are still out for a reason and it's not just because admins hate football. My guess is something deeper is at hand and Jack knows it. I hope I'm wrong, I was about last night's game.

Been trying to avoid thinking about that, but there is definitely a chance the "worst case scenario" is far worse than will the 5 come back or be dismissed.

Clearly we are due for a bombshell, people have already had their 12 hours to savor a huge win and start to feel the upward trajectory of the program....time for a deep groin kick to straighten things back out

 

[Cali_domer]

Been trying to avoid thinking about that, but there is definitely a chance the "worst case scenario" is far worse than will the 5 come back or be dismissed.

Did I miss something?

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

You think Jack looked like a doomed man? I thought he was as swaggy as I've ever seen him.

I'm sure it could be looked at different ways but my initial reaction was that he looked very deep in thought and concerned about something. You would think he'd have a little more life in him the way the game was going.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Been trying to avoid thinking about that, but there is definitely a chance the "worst case scenario" is far worse than will the 5 come back or be dismissed.

Clearly we are due for a bombshell, people have already had their 12 hours to savor a huge win and start to feel the upward trajectory of the program....time for a deep groin kick to straighten things back out

Yea.. I'm basically just contemplating all potential outcomes and the longer this goes without clarity the worse I feel.

Also, you nailed it last night when you called the blowout.

 

[Cali_domer]

Is this true?

No

 

[koonja]

Can someone post what's going on? What's this about a ban coming from NCAA? I'm on the road so I appreciate if someone will catche up.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Did I miss something?

Just a pack of abused dogs instinctively going into our defensive crouching position even though there is no immediate threat of danger around us, and we just received a large treat....

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Can someone post what's going on? What's this about a ban coming from NCAA? I'm on the road so I appreciate if someone will catche up.

He was kidding.

 

[yankeeND]

Just because this thread is giving me diabetes, if you guys want to smile go look at the crystal balls on the Irish 247 home page. Oh and thanks Michigan

 

[wizards8507]

Is this true?

No

Can someone post what's going on? What's this about a ban coming from NCAA? I'm on the road so I appreciate if someone will catche up.

Sad commentary on the psyche of an Irish fan that italics were necessary there. Sorry mah dudes.

 

[Irish Insanity]

The one time I noticed him on camera, sitting in his seat, with a few important looking dude, he seemed no happy at all. And that was near the end. Nothing at that point to be concerned about with the game.

 

[scUM Hater]

As we headed to walk into the stadium, I saw Father Jenkins
. I shook his hand and said hi. He asked my name, where I lived, and if I was alumni. He seemed very nice and for him to give me 15 seconds was very nice. But believe me, I wanted to call him out about the ND 5. Just couldn't do it.

 

[GoIrish41]

As we headed to walk into the stadium, I saw Father Jenkins
. I shook his hand and said hi. He asked my name, where I lived, and if I was alumni. He seemed very nice and for him to give me 15 seconds was very nice. But believe me, I wanted to call him out about the ND 5. Just couldn't do it.

Wimp. Lol

 

[irishog77]

Just because this thread is giving me diabetes, if you guys want to smile go look at the crystal balls on the Irish 247 home page. Oh and thanks Michigan

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That shot of Jack walking down the sideline like a doomed man while we were manhandling Michigan gave me a queasy feeling.

The 5 are still out for a reason and it's not just because admins hate football. My guess is something deeper is at hand and Jack knows it. I hope I'm wrong, I was about last night's game.

Are you confusing Jack with Brandon?

 

[TDHeysus]

As we headed to walk into the stadium, I saw Father Jenkins
. I shook his hand and said hi. He asked my name, where I lived, and if I was alumni. He seemed very nice and for him to give me 15 seconds was very nice. But believe me, I wanted to call him out about the ND 5. Just couldn't do it.

I wouldn't have one hesitation in mentioning it. Immediately after the pleasantries, I would have brought it up.

"So, we should hear something on Monday regarding our boys, right?"

 

[Irish Jacky]

This issue has a lot less urgency now that we've beaten UM. I want the process to be thorough and fair to all parties involved. Football fans can howl all they want but they have absolutely no skin in the game except for cheap emotionalism. Last night proved these players are not essential to peak performance. Sure, we're better with them than without them but the football tail can't wag the honor code dog.

I dearly hope there are no further posts on this thread before a decision is rendered. At least 5800 of the 5810 posts so far have been pretty much worthless in communicating any facts or valuable insights.

 

[GoIrish41]

This issue has a lot less urgency now that we've beaten UM. I want the process to be thorough and fair to all parties involved. Football fans can howl all they want but they have absolutely no skin in the game except for cheap emotionalism. Last night proved these players are not essential to peak performance. Sure, we're better with them than without them but the football tail can't wag the honor code dog.

I dearly hope there are no further posts on this thread before a decision is rendered. At least 5800 of the 5810 posts so far have been pretty much worthless in communicating any facts or valuable insights.

You know who does have skin in the game? The players who are being held out of football activities. If they are not guilty they were just robbed of a moment that will go down in ND lore. This has taken long enough unless this is what admin thinks is meant by the 40-year decision.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

cheap emotionalism.

-isms are the best. With that said, I've never faked one.

<<<<(drops mic and walks off all cocky.)

 

[Irish#1]

Been trying to avoid thinking about that, but there is definitely a chance the "worst case scenario" is far worse than will the 5 come back or be dismissed.

Clearly we are due for a bombshell, people have already had their 12 hours to savor a huge win and start to feel the upward trajectory of the program....time for a deep groin kick to straighten things back out

It will be a shame if they don't come back, but we appear to be doing fine without them.

 

[IrishLax]

Yea.. I'm basically just contemplating all potential outcomes and the longer this goes without clarity the worse I feel.

Also, you nailed it last night when you called the blowout.

This is fair. I bought the optimism because some pretty decent sources seemed to have confidence things would be resolved positively for some players. They were clearly mistaken that the hearings were going to be resolved ASAP, likely because they misinterpreted what "quickly" meant.

But ND, in general, is not approaching this like we're going to have a happy ending. Maybe some players will be reinstated, but at this point I'd definitely bet on vacated wins... and another painful press conference or two. This is just completely unfounded speculation based on more unverifiable junk you read places.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'll admit my own decision making was attached to the impending showdown with the striped weasel but with that game completed, I simply hope this isn't going to be a huge headline.

But....as any good ND fan should, I will prepare myself for the worst so we should be ready for:

*All players being lost for the season
*Vacating 2011/12/13

If it's better than that, I'll be ecstatic.

 

[TheChosen1]

This is fair. I bought the optimism because some pretty decent sources seemed to have confidence things would be resolved positively for some players. They were clearly mistaken that the hearings were going to be resolved ASAP, likely because they misinterpreted what "quickly" meant.

But ND, in general, is not approaching this like we're going to have a happy ending. Maybe some players will be reinstated, but at this point I'd definitely bet on vacated wins... and another painful press conference or two. This is just completely unfounded speculation based on more unverifiable junk you read places.

I read a similar story at the end of Prister's column.

 

[CarrollVermin]

This is fair. I bought the optimism because some pretty decent sources seemed to have confidence things would be resolved positively for some players. They were clearly mistaken that the hearings were going to be resolved ASAP, likely because they misinterpreted what "quickly" meant.

But ND, in general, is not approaching this like we're going to have a happy ending. Maybe some players will be reinstated, but at this point I'd definitely bet on vacated wins... and another painful press conference or two. This is just completely unfounded speculation based on more unverifiable junk you read places.

Not following the vacated wins thoughts. The investigation is over. If the administration wanted to vacate wins, wouldn't they know that by now? Student council is to decide punishment, not outcome, or am I getting this wrong?

 

[woolybug25]

Can a mod edit the title to add "decision made" when something happens?

Because frankly, I am still in full boner mode about the ass kicking we gave scUM and only want to concentrate on all of the great $hit we have going on right now. This thread licks nuts and I really don't want to participate in it anymore.

So I'm unsubscribing.

K.thanks.bye.

 

[wizards8507]

Not following the vacated wins thoughts. The investigation is over. If the administration wanted to vacate wins, wouldn't they know that by now? Student council is to decide punishment, not outcome, or am I getting this wrong?

It's not a "student council" per se. The "honesty committee" (in this case the College of Arts and Letters honesty committee) is made up of both faculty and students. They decide outcome and punishment for the players, but have no say when it comes to vacating wins. I'm sure the university doesn't want to risk announcing "we're vacating wins," only to have the honesty committee (which apparently hasn't voted yet) announce "players are innocent of wrongdoing." The people that make the "vacate wins" decision (Jenkins/Swarbrick) aren't the same ones who rule on the players and it would be incongruous if the decisions didn't match.

Also, I think it depends on why they would vacate wins.

Scenario 1 - Players were cheating and we should have known about it and played them anyways, so we vacate wins.

Scenario 2 - Players were cheating and now that we're retroactively giving them Fs for those assignments/courses, their GPAs were low enough at the time certain games were played that they would have been ineligible.

Scenario 2 could take some time to figure out.