Rumored Violations

[mkg77]

I find it ironic that the argument against the players showing up in a club has morphed into one of "public perception" because this is a "national story." Meaningfully defined, the public (outside of a few people in South Bend, IN) wouldn't even know about the players being in a bar but for a few ND fans/insiders trumpeting the information on the Internet (e.g., this site), and then complaining that the information they just blasted is going to make ND look bad. I guess you'd say that the players were irresponsible in not accounting for people like you, too.

 

[koonja]

I'll try to get this thread back on topic by telling my urinating on the fuseball table story.

This was a bar we all went to, all weekend, every weekend. We knew the bartenders, bouncers on a first name basis and they knew we weren't idiots, so they let us have our fun.

Well someone introduced me to 'black out sauce' aka lime vodka and Mt. Dew for the pregame, and apparently I had a ball.

We got to the bar really early because I was sauced and bitching about how bad I wanted to go. It was like 10pm, so the bar wasn't very busy.

I was with my group of friends, and said 'gotta run to the bathroom, be back in a minute'. A minute later, my friend looks over and I'm peeing on the fuseball table, which isn't hidden at all. It's right next to the DJ booth and the bartenders can see me by just turning 90 degrees.

I get thrown out, and this was right after the 'don't taze me bro' video went viral, so as they escorted me out, that was my go-to statement.

10 minutes later, I come in the other entrance, hand the bouncer my ID and tell him my name is Blaze Moonbutter (no fucking clue why) and he lets me in. 5 minutes later, I get found out and kicked out and don't come back.

Came back the next night and apologized and everyone was cool with it, said it was the funniest thing they'd seen that summer at the bar and I was allowed back in.

Ah, almost forgot. FUCK MICHIGAN.

 

[greyhammer90]

To play devil's advocate, that doesn't mean they're out getting stupid like some heathens, does it? I mean, if everyone in their social circle is like, "what do you all want to do tonight?" and the response is, "I don't know, let's go hang out at the club," why not? If they've got nothing going on, and their friends are all out at the club, why not go hang with them?

My group of friends went through a phase for a few years in college where we went to this bar downtown almost every night. Some nights we aimed to get wild, some nights we were just there because it was better than staying in.

I think the problem arises if these guys are getting blasted and trying to put out the intense vibe at the bar every night, which we don't know for sure.

Agreed that the difference between "partying" and "being social" is big. But to play devils advocate to that, even if it is just "being social", being social at a bar almost every night isn't exactly awesome. Even on "syllabus week". Hell even I had academic work to do on "syllabus week" and I went to Tennessee (which, judging by everyone's opinion of the SEC, I'm pretty sure everyone thinks is a hole in the middle of a field somewhere.)

 

[BGIF]

This is really the key point for me (also in response to gk's earlier post saying that these guys shouldn't have to stay home and play video games all day). I would say a large part of my opinion comes from that the fact that this is a continuing, ongoing thing. If Jimmy was like "Oh hey I saw some guys out tonight" I be more inclined to think "they just wanted to get out of their apartment, grab a beer, etc. etc." but that's not what's happening here. Jimmy has been telling us that he's been seeing them out almost every single night. That's a big distinction IMO.

Which raises the question almost everyone has avoided, "Why is Jimmy in a bar every night when he's supposed to be in training for his run?"

 

[Cali_domer]

Agreed that the difference between "partying" and "being social" is big. But to play devils advocate to that, even if it is just "being social", being social at a bar almost every night isn't exactly awesome. Even on "syllabus week". Hell even I had academic work to do on "syllabus week" and I went to Tennessee (which, judging by everyone's opinion of the SEC, I'm pretty sure everyone thinks is a hole in the middle of a field somewhere.)

Lived in Tennessee(Knoxville) and I can vouch that it's note a hole in middle of the field.

 

[Grahambo]

Thanks, Mom.

There are two groups of people right now:
1. People who realize that the players aren't in trouble for anything alcohol related, so going out to a bar with friends is irrelevant to cheating on papers. These people also realize that we live in America with general freedoms and its ridiculous to levy judgement on players for enjoying themselves with their peers in a totally normal activity.

2. Then there are the butthurt people who vindictively think that players should be banned from having fun and socializing because they are under investigation for academic misconduct. For some reason made an academic mistake and going to face those consequences => should be locked away in a nunnery 6 days a week where they perform penance for their sins, and only allowed out on Saturdays to play football for our enjoyment.

Choose your group wisely.

The way I see this is some posters are hating life because some players they never met are under investigation for an academic violation. Note the under investigation-meaning they may or may not be guilty.

Because the posters are hating life, the 20 year old kid should be hating life. I get that, however irrational it may be. Note the irrational part.

So, because I disagree with the actions of someone, I'm butt hurt and I hate my own life?

Understood. Opinions aren't welcomed without judgment being cast.


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[Jebediah Springfield]

Why is JimmyMac at a bar every night?

Which raises the question everyone has avoided, "Why is Jimmy in a bar every night when he's supposed to be in training for his run?"

I was on top of it

 

[RDU Irish]

Agreed that the difference between "partying" and "being social" is big. But to play devils advocate to that, even if it is just "being social", being social at a bar almost every night isn't exactly awesome. Even on "syllabus week". Hell even I had academic work to do on "syllabus week" and I went to Tennessee (which, judging by everyone's opinion of the SEC, I'm pretty sure everyone thinks is a hole in the middle of a field somewhere.)

When I was in college, I would consider that a stellar week. Other than Senior week and first week of senior year, I wasn't able to pull it off very often though. Hey, isn't it first week of the school year?

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'll try to get this thread back on topic by telling my urinating on the fuseball table story.

This was a bar we all went to, all weekend, every weekend. We knew the bartenders, bouncers on a first name basis and they knew we weren't idiots, so they let us have our fun.

Well someone introduced me to 'black out sauce' aka lime vodka and Mt. Dew for the pregame, and apparently I had a ball.

We got to the bar really early because I was sauced and bitching about how bad I wanted to go. It was like 10pm, so the bar wasn't very busy.

I was with my group of friends, and said 'gotta run to the bathroom, be back in a minute'. A minute later, my friend looks over and I'm peeing on the fuseball table, which isn't hidden at all. It's right next to the DJ booth and the bartenders can see me by just turning 90 degrees.

I get thrown out, and this was right after the 'don't taze me bro' video went viral, so as they escorted me out, that was my go-to statement.

10 minutes later, I come in the other entrance, hand the bouncer my ID and tell him my name is Blaze Moonbutter (no fucking clue why) and he lets me in. 5 minutes later, I get found out and kicked out and don't come back.

Came back the next night and apologized and everyone was cool with it, said it was the funniest thing they'd seen that summer at the bar and I was allowed back in.

Ah, almost forgot. FUCK MICHIGAN.

Cool story bro

 

[greyhammer90]

So to summarize... when I said they had the right to do what they're doing, I was 100% accurate. Thanks.

I never said it wasn't an accurate depiction of their rights, I said it was hilarious that you brought it up at all and showed a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Constitution either does or doesn't do (in the sense of its relevancy to the discussion, not what rights it provides). Bringing up the fact that "this is America and they have the right" is completely pointless because NO ONE was discussing the legality of their actions until you brought it up. I understand that you were mainly doing it to add more dramatic effect to the fallacy of a choice you wanted people to decide between before, but it was still funny.

Laughable false equivalency. What I've said, consistently, is that because this is a legal and normal activity, it is ridiculous to level judgement towards it. If it was either abnormal or illegal, then I'd find it reasonable to judge.

Your example is not a normal activity.

If your point is simply that they're being "immature a-holes", then I'd ask that you just expand on what exactly is immature or a-holish about going out to socialize with friends at a place frequented by the general Notre Dame populous. Especially if you consider they have tons of free time on their hands now that they're not practicing... even if you account for all classes/homework... so they have to do something with it. I won't fault them for choosing to socialize with that time and I'm surprised many of you do.

Here we come to the heart of the matter! You are choosing to frame their acts as a normal activity because they are "just college kids hanging out with their friends." I am choosing to frame their acts as non-normal because "they are suspended from the team for academic fraud, and by going out to drink every night are showing zero signs that they have resolved to treat their academics any more seriously."

So what we have is simply a difference of opinion on what is "normal", which is fine. But at least you're actually responding to the other opinion instead of telling someone to "just stop" having theirs.

 

[bobbyok1]

I never said it wasn't an accurate depiction of their rights, I said it was hilarious that you brought it up at all and showed a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Constitution either does or doesn't do (in the sense of its relevancy to the discussion, not what rights it provides). Bringing up the fact that "this is America and they have the right" is completely pointless because NO ONE was discussing the legality of their actions until you brought it up. I understand that you were mainly doing it to add more dramatic effect to the fallacy of a choice you wanted people to decide between before, but it was still funny.




Here we come to the heart of the matter! You are choosing to frame their acts as a normal activity because they are "just college kids hanging out with their friends." I am choosing to frame their acts as non-normal because "they are suspended from the team for academic fraud, and by going out to drink every night are showing zero signs that they have resolved to treat their academics any more seriously."

So what we have is simply a difference of opinion on what is "normal", which is fine. But at least you're actually responding to the other opinion instead of telling someone to "just stop" having theirs.

+1

 

[Irish8248]

They're not practicing so I have no problem with guys going out. If they were participating in the game, id be up in arms. They're still enrolled and until judgment reaches, they're still in good standing.. You can sit there and pass judgment but no one knows their involvement. I would be more concerned as a fan about their status if they weren't visible (socially and academically).

 

[gkIrish]

They're not practicing so I have no problem with guys going out. If they were participating in the game, id be up in arms. They're still enrolled and until judgment reaches, they're still in good standing.. You can sit there and pass judgment but no one knows their involvement. I would be more concerned as a fan about their status if they weren't visible (socially and academically).

You should be up in arms about most of the team then.

 

[Bugzly21]

My 2 cents, first off just because they were out doesn't mean they were drinking. People go out all the time and don't have a drink. Second, having not been to South Bend just going off various info from other, the number of options for places to go is very limited and students all tend to go to the same places. People's definitions for a "club" is a lot different than mine being from Vegas. Students go out, especially during game week. Even if they're players it's a Thursday night not a night before the game. Like some have said, what are they supposed to do? Sit in there room? Alienate themselves from the world? Now by castrating them for going out, you are jumping on that "oh yeah they did it" bus. Plus I saw one person say they saw them out and they posted here. How much partying could it have been if he had time to post on a discussion board?

 

[Bugzly21]

They're not practicing so I have no problem with guys going out. If they were participating in the game, id be up in arms. They're still enrolled and until judgment reaches, they're still in good standing.. You can sit there and pass judgment but no one knows their involvement. I would be more concerned as a fan about their status if they weren't visible (socially and academically).

Agreed. Don't know how to rep thoug

 

[Irish#1]

There are two groups of people right now:
1. People who realize that the players aren't in trouble for anything alcohol related, so going out to a bar with friends is irrelevant to cheating on papers. These people also realize that we live in America with general freedoms and its ridiculous to levy judgement on players for enjoying themselves with their peers in a totally normal activity.

2. Then there are the butthurt people who vindictively think that players should be banned from having fun and socializing because they are under investigation for academic misconduct. For some reason made an academic mistake and going to face those consequences => should be locked away in a nunnery 6 days a week where they perform penance for their sins, and only allowed out on Saturdays to play football for our enjoyment.

Choose your group wisely.

Hope you don't have this attitude and serve on jury duty!

 

[IrishLax]

Here we come to the heart of the matter! You are choosing to frame their acts as a normal activity because they are "just college kids hanging out with their friends." I am choosing to frame their acts as non-normal because "they are suspended from the team for academic fraud, and by going out to drink every night are showing zero signs that they have resolved to treat their academics any more seriously."

So what we have is simply a difference of opinion on what is "normal", which is fine. But at least you're actually responding to the other opinion instead of telling someone to "just stop" having theirs.

Seems legit.

 

[Irish#1]

Not one person has said anything about the subject of their actions are alcohol related. It's all about staying out of potentially embarrassing situations when you are in the spotlight for completely embarrassing the university. It's about keeping a low profile when you are in the spotlight for being completely irresponsible. Going out partying every night is not "totally normal activity" for student athletes who just caused the university possible NCAA violations. I have no idea why you believe that completely normal and acceptable response to betraying the trust of the school, coaches and team mates is to go party at Club Fever.

That's all he's saying. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Wait until the verdict is in then go do whatever you want.

 

[greyhammer90]

Seems legit.

 

[Irish8248]

You should be up in arms about most of the team then.

That's insane if they're drinking more than low key socially (2 tops). We had a 48 hour rule on our team. You could socially drink during the week up until 48 hours before the game. If you were caught by anyone drinking heavily at any point during the season (minus Saturday) or drinking anything within 48 hours, you were in deep shit. We had a 4am practice on a Wednesday morning because a large group of players decided to have a wii tournament/case race

 

[koonja]

Another thread that would be great if:

#FreePat (and the 5 suspended).

 

[Fbolt]

If you're looking for something to redirect your frustration-check out espn Classic. ND v Bama. Working for me

 

[dshans]

... Now by castrating them for going out ...

That's a little harsh, don't ya think???

It's castigate, dammit!!!



(Sorry, Bugzly – sometimes I just can't help myself.

 

[phork]

Seems around here lately opinions aren't welcome if they don't align with others.

Then again, that's just my opinion

Its not lately.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Another thread that would be great if:

#FreePat (and the 5 suspended).

I'll help you out.

Pat: You pusssies are complaining about players drinking? WTF happened to America. Beer and football is America. Damn pusssies.

 

[Bugzly21]

That's a little harsh, don't ya think???

It's castigate, dammit!!!



(Sorry, Bugzly – sometimes I just can't help myself.

Nope. I meant castrate. Reading some the comments that's exactly what they're doing. A lot of these people don't know what it feels like to have other people hold your future in their hands, especially if you know you're innocent. (Not saying they are) the last thing you want to do is sit around, you want to do whatever to have your mind off it.

 

[koonja]

Can we speculate on when this honor committee will hold the interview/hearing?

I need some real talk to get me through the work day.

 

[gkIrish]

That's insane if they're drinking more than low key socially (2 tops). We had a 48 hour rule on our team. You could socially drink during the week up until 48 hours before the game. If you were caught by anyone drinking heavily at any point during the season (minus Saturday) or drinking anything within 48 hours, you were in deep shit. We had a 4am practice on a Wednesday morning because a large group of players decided to have a wii tournament/case race

I never said they were drunk. As I said earlier, football players were usually the most sober people at the bar. But they do go out socially fairly frequently. There's a reason the players stay in a hotel the night before the game.

 

[clashmore_jon]

Its not lately.

yeah no kidding. From my CP:

"08-29-2013 11:06 PM phork Use italics next time, otherwise **** you."

 

[greyhammer90]

Can we speculate on when this honor committee will hold the interview/hearing?

I need some real talk to get me through the work day.

What do you do? Who pays you to post all day?