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IrishBlood81

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Great info. I don't really give a **** whether the information you have provided is accurate... It make me feel better at the moment and that is good enough at this point... Reps..

I know that. Thats what I made it sound so believable. No one really knows its completely fabricated. You all will take anything.

:D just kidding obviously.

Interesting. Yes, that's consistent with some earlier rumors that I think were posted in this thread.

I believe the earlier rumor was that DVD and KVR would be cleared, Ishaq might be cleared, and Moore probably would not be cleared. But the clearances were supposed to happen a long time ago, and of course nothing actually happened. Plus, the rumor seems to correspond to most Irish fans' desires (DVD and KVR having proven themselves proven themselves most valuable of the bunch as starting-caliber players, Ishaq second most valuable as a regular contributor, and Moore least valuable as a special teams contributor only), so I was starting to wonder if it was just wishful thinking. I hope the fact that this rumor is persistent means that there is some truth behind it.

I was thinking the same thing. Its too good to be true with the exact levels of fan desires. But also, think about it, the players with the most to lose would have the strongest will to keep it and the kid thats a bit behind, is looking for an advantage.
Its just my input, it could be anything but I'm gonna keep up the faith and #RallyStrong.
 

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Imagine if we vacated the 2012 season because only Kendal Moore were ineligible. I'd go punch someone.
 

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No way that DD or the others are being held out of the season opener due to a 'misunderstanding'


I disagree. If its not yet known for solid fact that it is a misunderstanding then, they will be held out because it is still under investigation. ND is thorough, they don't want extreme embarrassment like "This guy is a hero for saving his cousin"....two hours later "this guy is a liar and made it all up". They don't want to clear the players and then, realize...they really did cheat, our bad. No reason not to take the time and do a good job the first time. I'm sure its far more complicated than we realize.


I repped you for the info because it made me feel good. if you are wrong, I'll call for a neg rep bomb to be dropped squarely on your ass.

but thanks for the info :)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll go into hiding for a while and let it all blow over if it comes to it. lol
And then I'll just buy more reps if I need too ;)
 

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Assuming Daniels and Russell somehow get cleared, I don't see either of them coming back next year.

I'd bet all of my money both will declare after this year if cleared. If I had my name dragged through the mud and missed games over some bull****, I would too.
 

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Lets worry about this season and Michigan. Lets not concern ourselves with 2015 just yet.
"Each day has enough problems of its own".
 
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I am thinking about it. Might seem crazy, but the above is exactly how I could see it playing out. The University admittingly weren't ready to suspend the players and announce names, but the fact that the entire interwebs were littered with the info, they took this knee jerk response. Plus, they certainly didn't want to let them play against Rice if they had this whole "vacating wins" idea already brewing.

Once it goes to the Honor Committee, which was obviously rushed because of the circumstances, the administration isn't going to simply pull out the request. So your timeline above sounds about right to me, if this were indeed the situation.

I disagree. If its not yet known for solid fact that it is a misunderstanding then, they will be held out because it is still under investigation. ND is thorough, they don't want extreme embarrassment like "This guy is a hero for saving his cousin"....two hours later "this guy is a liar and made it all up". They don't want to clear the players and then, realize...they really did cheat, our bad. No reason not to take the time and do a good job the first time. I'm sure its far more complicated than we realize.

Maybe I'm off but who would forward to the NCAA a claim that says we think this guy is cheating and here is our evidence...

You see when he says "I need help with this paper" he really means "Write my paper"

It just doesnt make sense.
 

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Maybe I'm off but who would forward to the NCAA a claim that says we think this guy is cheating and here is our evidence...

You see when he says "I need help with this paper" he really means "Write my paper"

It just doesnt make sense.

They didn't hand over evidence to the NCAA, they just reported that they would be investigating it and what their actions would be moving forward. They were very clear that it was an ongoing investigation.

Don't get how you keep assuming that they have a smoking gun that they would be backtracking on, that's never been the case. They admittingly were at the beginning of their investigation.
 

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Imagine if we vacated the 2012 season because only Kendal Moore were ineligible. I'd go punch someone.

You could punch Lennay Kekua

Remember a month ago when we are only concerned with how many points we would run up on Rice? Ah, how times were good.
 

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First off... woah woah woah... when the **** did the ****ing asterisks come back?! I'm disconnected for 1 weekend and the site goes to ****?!

Second. The fact that IrishBlood had specifics makes me confident. Give me my ****ing Kei back.
 
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First off... woah woah woah... when the **** did the ****ing asterisks come back?! I'm disconnected for 1 weekend and the site goes to ****?!

Second. The fact that IrishBlood had specifics makes me confident. Give me my ****ing Kei back.

I can help with part of the problem. Just substitute 'Michigan' in for '****' and you'll save half of your *s. Works the same.
 

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First off... woah woah woah... when the **** did the ****ing asterisks come back?! I'm disconnected for 1 weekend and the site goes to ****?!

Second. The fact that IrishBlood had specifics makes me confident. Give me my ****ing Kei back.

I too am disappointed in the return of the ****ing asterisks.
 
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They didn't hand over evidence to the NCAA, they just reported that they would be investigating it and what their actions would be moving forward. They were very clear that it was an ongoing investigation.

Don't get how you keep assuming that they have a smoking gun that they would be backtracking on, that's never been the case. They admittingly were at the beginning of their investigation.

Good point, ND might not have sent any evidence to the NCAA but I'm assuming they believed they had somewhat good evidence of cheating before notifying them.

And according to the first post, that evidence is DD's emails of "i need help on a paper"

It doesnt make sense.
 

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What next? Teetotallers in the What are you drinking? thread?? This aggression will not stand, man.
 

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I have a pretty reliable source who is really close to the whole situation and he is saying definitely two players will be cleared, a 3rd very possible and the fourth will most likely face consequences. He said that University initially freaked out and overreacted because it was thought to be much more severe, then they discovered the reality of the situation and now have to back spin and do damage control.
Players are quite upset with the university and them being accused. One ridiculous rumor said that they would not play when they were reinstated to protest the Universities handling.
Its taking so long because ND needs to be thorough for NCAA and to make sure that they get it right this time.

First off, unless the info is from a 'she' I don't believe it

I would think DD having previous marks would be one to be gone.
I would think KM would be one to 'hold out' as he wasn't in line to start anyway.
 

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Exactly what new evidence could they be digging up now? Have the hearing, present the case against the 4 guys, give them a chance to respond. AND PRESENT THE FINDING. Why the delay? Innocent parties have been punished, they are entitled a speedy hearing. Why is the assumption of guilt driving this process? If any of these players is found innocent, this thing should be called the Irish Inquisition.
 

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They probably have to brief the students and faculty on the committee voting on all the details of the investigation and this is the first day of classes. Kelly is probably right that the timeline is by the end of this week/beginning of next.
 

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Good point, ND might not have sent any evidence to the NCAA but I'm assuming they believed they had somewhat good evidence of cheating before notifying them.

I'm certain they didn't. The NCAA rules put a serious premium on self-reporting. As soon as a violation is suspected, schools are supposed to hold the suspects out of competition and start an investigation. As long as you report it early and perform a real investigation, sanctions are extremely unlikely to be imposed. SOP for dealing with the NCAA.

Unfortunately, it looks like someone within the NCAA leaked the story soon after ND self-reported, which is what necessitated that embarrassing press conference. I wouldn't read too much into what was essentially forced damage control on ND's part.

And according to the first post, that evidence is DD's emails of "i need help on a paper"

It doesnt make sense.

You keep hammering on that one line. If that alone sparked this entire witch hunt, then yes, that would be absurd. But I very much doubt that was the case. DD allegedly emailed a paper to a professor which included a conversation with someone who helped him edit the paper. The prof read the convo and thought it indicated academic fraud. That prof then forwarded his evidence onto the administration, who began an investigation. As LAX mentioned on a previous page, that investigation likely uncovered a lot of other stuff.

You're right that none of this would make sense if it was all one big misunderstanding about a single innocuous phrase in a DD email. But that's not a very reasonable assumption to make.
 
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