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NDSean44 said:
According to an Inside Source, Notre Dame is part of some sort of Freemasons conspiracy theory to overthrow a legion of spiders led by Gary Oldman underneath the White House.
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I thought it was underneath the Denver airport, and Aliens, not Freemasons were to blame.
 
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NDSean44 said:
I'm sensing a pattern here:

- Pessimistic Rumors
- Angry Rambling
- Rants against the Admins
- Optimistic Rumors
- Days of Silence

2nd verse same as the first.
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Really? What did I refer to that wasn't intelligent dialogue? I think Rhode Irish brought up a very solid point, one that hadn't been brought up yet. The difference between being innocent and not guilty. Sorry if that goes against your blind optimism of the university not possibly ever being on the wrong end of anything. It doesn't make us less loving of the university and it's principles by challenging their decisions. In fact, I believe it shows that we care about the integrity of how the university handles itself.

Sometime you should really read through all of your posts and imagine reading them as someone that doesn't follow Notre Dame. Your blind approval and acceptance comes off no different than an SEC homer trying to justify their opinions. It's just two shades of the same color.
 
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wizards8507 said:
How would "lack of institutional control" even be the slightest possibility? Isn't THIS INVESTIGATION itself exactly what "institutional control" means? You can't stop kids from cheating so the fact that we're busting them for doing so is absolutely institutional control.

Do we have any clarity on the timeline here? The possibility of vacating wins means that the cheating happened last football season at the latest. If cheating happened last football season at the latest, why is this just coming out now?
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It's not and it's not even being considered. For the NCAA to use that, there would have to a long history of cheating going with the school knowing about it, but turning a blind eye.
 
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ACamp1900 said:
I'm actually really impressed with how this story has just… vanished. It went from the ESPN wet dream of the month one day to… nothing, it’s surreal. No matter how it plays out I guess you have to admire how everything got and remained so quiet. Just about any other sports story getting this level of attention would have seen all kinds of things leaked out by now.
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I think the media tried to duck out early because of all of their early speculation reports that were instantly proven false. Not to mention that this is a day and age where these kind of things aren't exactly uncommon, and heck we already had a big academic blunder with Golson last year. I can't imagine this topping what happened to Golson.
 
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woolybug25 said:
Really? What did I refer to that wasn't intelligent dialogue? I think Rhode Irish brought up a very solid point, one that hadn't been brought up yet. The difference between being innocent and not guilty. Sorry if that goes against your blind optimism of the university not possibly ever being on the wrong end of anything. It doesn't make us less loving of the university and it's principles by challenging their decisions. In fact, I believe it shows that we care about the integrity of how the university handles itself.

Sometime you should really read through all of your posts and imagine reading them as someone that doesn't follow Notre Dame. Your blind approval and acceptance comes off no different than an SEC homer trying to justify their opinions. It's just two shades of the same color.
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Not you necessarily. It just seems like this thread is on a roller coaster ride of emotions. Go from doom and gloom to skepticism and them optimism, followed by silence, followed by more doom and gloom. It's like an endless cycle and it's produced nothing.
 
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Irish YJ said:
IDK... IMO it could still go either way.

We've heard "insider" info on both sides of the fence. One says 3 of 4 are cleared, another says other sports are impacted and we're vacating wins. Perhaps there's more out there that I'm not aware of, but the simple fact that there is nothing solid out there gaining speed leads me to think they are still going through a process.

The silence from students and parents doesn't really lead me to believe one thing or another. Could mean they know they are guilty and waiting to find out the punishment, could mean they know they will be cleared and waiting on the process.

Team photos... nothing there either IMO. If the university pulled them from all athletic activities pending the investigation,,, photos are part of the activities.

Trying not to spend too much time in the thread, or think too much about it. Have I missed something?
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I don't think they know and thus the silence. Don't start spouting off and hurt your chances. If it comes out they are expelled, then I could see some type of lawsuit coming down the road if they feel they didn't do anything wrong.
 
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NDSean44 said:
I don't imagine Aliens and Spiders getting along to well.
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Unless they're Alien Spiders....

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PerthDomer said:
Davaris wasn't quiet about it for a while, but I think got directive to shut up. If they just fail the assignment some could be eligible depending on grade in class so even being guilty might not doom some of them.
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This. I'm assuming they probably directed all 4 of them to refrain from talking about the situation. This has me a bit more optimistic, as it seems they're complying with the University. This has me thinking they're aren't in as hot of water as we originally thought, but just my 2 cents.
 
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NDSean44 said:
I think the media tried to duck out early because of all of their early speculation reports that were instantly proven false. Not to mention that this is a day and age where these kind of things aren't exactly uncommon, and heck we already had a big academic blunder with Golson last year. I can't imagine this topping what happened to Golson.
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NDSean44 said:
Not you necessarily. It just seems like this thread is on a roller coaster ride of emotions. Go from doom and gloom to skepticism and them optimism, followed by silence, followed by more doom and gloom. It's like an endless cycle and it's produced nothing.
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Irish#1 said:
I don't think they know and thus the silence. Don't start spouting off and hurt your chances. If it comes out they are expelled, then I could see some type of lawsuit coming down the road if they feel they didn't do anything wrong.
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Your speculation about my speculation could be dead on, but I'm just speculating.
 
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Now you're asking the right question, and I don't have the answer. I think at that point they had concluded enough about the players to know that there was a serious eligibility concern and did not want them participating from that point forward until it was cleared up.

This would be similar to when Auburn declared Cam Newton to be ineligible per concerns, presented the findings to the NCAA, and then had him reinstated. Your standard operating procedure in compliance is that as soon as you become aware of an eligibility concern you are to IMMEDIATELY report it and declare the player ineligible until the status is cleared up one way or another.

Towards specifics... the competing theories are:
1. The players got held out on the 15th per SOP outlined above, they know or believe they will be reinstated, and it is just a matter of time. This could apply to any or all of them. The logical flaws to this theory mostly have to do with timing, but the supporting logic is if they knew they were toast they already would've transferred or started the transfer process. So somehow, somewhere there is something holding them put.
2. The players got held out on the 15th because that's when their cases were closed, and their fate is still yet to be determined by the honor code committee, etc. There are no logical flaws in this theory, but that doesn't mean it's correct.
3. They're all already toast and Notre Dame is simply slow playing the news because there are other parts of the investigation still ongoing and they want to release all of the final findings at once instead of piecemeal. They know that they're gone so they are obligated to hold them out at this point. The logical flaw with this theory has to do with allowing them to stay in school if they're already 100% toast... classes start soon and someone should be able to know really quick whether or not they're ACTIVELY enrolled. However, the Sykes debacle shows us ND doesn't give a shit about being retroactive.
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Each one of your options could be true or false with no logical inconsistencies if you add an option to your matrix for each of the four to be guilty or innocent, independent of each other, and/or if you deal with varying degrees of innocence of each player.

Sub categories come in for players who could take a ding and still maintain eligibility, versus those that were close to the edge and couldn't. The possibilities of this thing have nearly infinite variables, so much so that we cannot expect any rumor either way to truthfully encompass the whole of the situation.

Let alone figure that graduated players did much worse. (Or players from another sport.)

Let alone figure that a deal was being worked for the group, or that the severity of each players punishment is dependent on the silence of the others or all players.

And so on.

When you apply Occam's Razor to this situation, the simplest situation you get is that bunches of people bent the rule of editing versus writing. Everything may come down to how the administration wants to use this as a lesson forward for all students. Someone may be taking the time to think this through.

For example, if SuzieQ, overstepped her editorial bounds by some clear degree while helping with my paper, we (both the administration, my lawyer, and parents) may want to know how common that was before we make a ruling (or accept a deal). Would someone have an appeal, either within the Honor System or legally if one could show what he had done was common practice, or had occurred many other times without any issue?
 
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BobD said:
If I was losing the opportunity of a lifetime because I was accused of something that I wasnt guilty of....I'd already be on espn

If I was guilty.....I'd have already called Saban.
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Like Rhode said, there's some daylight between innocent and convicted, and if you're in that space, you're generally smart to shut the hell up until the trial's over.
 
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While, terrifying, I just didn't get the momentary heart stop that I get whenever I see there is a new post in here...
 
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So basically you guys seem to be of the mind that these guys are some version of Schrodinger's cat. In this case, while they are inobservable they are both guilty and not guilty.


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