Rumored Violations

[Cackalacky]

I don't know how I feel about that.

It's awkwardly stated from a guy who.DGAf but that is essentially my philosophy on most things.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I think Rumsfeld has been demonized and caricatured to the point where people would instinctively dismiss most things he said, but I think if we are being fair we have to admit that he is likely a very intelligent man. I probably disagree with him on most things, but I'm definitely willing to concede that much.

 

[johnnycando]

I have defended Notre Dame for staying faithful to whatever process they had in place to deal with this situation, and for not changing the procedure just because there were football players involved. I've also said that complaints that the process takes too long were probably fair but not all that relevant to this instance, because you can't expect them to change what is probably a longstanding process just because some football fans think it is taking too long.

But, having said all of that, this has officially taken too long. I was willing to be understanding because school wasn't in session when this started and I felt it made sense to give the university time to get back to normal operations before they could be expected to deal with this situation. I was willing to make excuses for the administration up to a point, but to have this week come and go without any determination is inexcusable.

Yessir...

 

[luckathe1]

The way I see it:
If any of the 5 come back, Administration failed miserably.
If none come back, Administration showed extreme caution and Due Diligence.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The way I see it:
If any of the 5 come back, Administration failed miserably.
If none come back, Administration showed extreme caution and Due Diligence.

And if some come back, but others don't?

 

[Cali_domer]

5700 post wow. Hope this gets wrapped up by next week.

 

[greyhammer90]

And if some come back, but others don't?

He said "if any"

C'mon man.

 

[dad4aa]

For you long time IE members, has there ever been a topic that received over 5700 posts in 21 days?

 

[luckathe1]

And if some come back, but others don't?

Fail,
I Just cant find any middle ground here. To me its black and white , right or wrong. If any were guilty of lesser crimes then what were those crimes.
Not tattling?
Seriously?
Is Notre Dame the Stasi? enlisting students to rat out other students.
I cant believe that. I wont believe that. Either they are guilty or at very least there is not enough evidence to prove guilt. And in that case they should be back all ready.

 

[Cackalacky]

Fail,
I Just cant find any middle ground here. To me its black and white , right or wrong. If any were guilty of lesser crimes then what were those crimes.
Not tattling?
Seriously?
Is Notre Dame the Stasi? enlisting students to rat out other students.
I cant believe that. I wont believe that. Either they are guilty or at very least there is not enough evidence to prove guilt. And in that case they should be back all ready.

Cheating has many forms and in the pursuit of knowledge and performance of academic duties, there are quite clear grey areas. It has been addressed. We don't know what transpired so no one can say anything otherwise, but many things can be done that breach academic protocols that may not result in expulsion.

 

[bobbyok1]

Sounds like another way of saying the ol'

incompetently incompetent- You don't know that you don't know
competently incompetent- You know that you don't know
competently competent- You know that you know

Was taught that my freshman year undergrad at a Christian University class taught by a former pastor, turned professor.

 

[woolybug25]

 

[Cackalacky]

Sounds like another way of saying the ol'

incompetently incompetent- You don't know that you don't know
competently incompetent- You know that you don't know
competently competent- You know that you know

Was taught that my freshman year undergrad at a Christian University class taught by a former pastor, turned professor.

I prefer the accuracy versus precision anecdote but I like yours as well. Never heard it that way before.

 

[Irish#1]

Nothing good takes this long

That's not what she said last night!

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

The Rumsfield doc was pretty blah.

Now Strange was a good interview.

 

[bobbyok1]

I prefer the accuracy versus precision anecdote but I like yours as well. Never heard it that way before.

I hadn't heard the accuracy versus precision anecdote, but I like it. Reps!

 

[ulukinatme]

That's not what she said last night!

 

[luckathe1]

Cheating has many forms and in the pursuit of knowledge and performance of academic duties, there are quite clear grey areas. It has been addressed. We don't know what transpired so no one can say anything otherwise, but many things can be done that breach academic protocols that may not result in expulsion.

Ive been following this thread since the beginning, unfortunately. "quite clear grey areas", OK, whatever. Double talk.
No matter the reasons or the level of the infraction, Admin has had ample time to act. Unless, they are going to receive a severe punishment then I retract my opinion and impatience.

 

[Cackalacky]

Ive been following this thread since the beginning, unfortunately. quite clear grey areas, OK, whatever. Double talk.
No matter the reasons or the level of the infraction, Admin has had ample time to act. Unless, they are going to receive a severe punishment then I retract my opinion and impatience.

So then you understand how having someone edit a paper using "Track changes" in a Word document and just accepting those edits is not possibly cheating? Or adjusting someone's formulas in an excel spread sheet ? Programming codes? A person using one paper for different classes?

These are quite clearly grey areas in regards to the work done and the end product delivered under the student honor codes.

 

[ulukinatme]

I heard late last night that D'Squarius Green Jr. was cleared to play against Michigan!

 

[Cackalacky]

I hadn't heard the accuracy versus precision anecdote, but I like it. Reps!

I try to shoot for "A" in most things but it usually ends up being anything but.

 

[luckathe1]

So then you understand how having someone edit a paper using "Track changes" in a Word document and just accepting those edits is not possibly cheating? Or adjusting someone's formulas in an excel spread sheet ? Programming codes? A person using one paper for different classes?

These are quite clearly grey areas in regards to the work done and the end product delivered under the student honor codes.

If said actions break rules then its cheating. If the said actions or violations are subjective then ND has a real problem.

 

[Cackalacky]

If said actions break rules then its cheating. If the said actions or violations are subjective then ND has a real problem.

That's the thing. I could make a case for any of these being legitimate. It's not black and white. Having some one proofread a paper is not inherently cheating. There are quite obviously more efficient ways of writing of cpu code. Studying from old tests is another.

 

[Rhode Irish]

If said actions break rules then its cheating. If the said actions or violations are subjective then ND has a real problem.

I feel like even a small amount of life experience would reveal that almost nothing is that simple or that black and white. There are more things in this world that any two people would see differently than things that any two people would see the same way.

 

[luckathe1]

That's the thing. I could make a case for any of these being legitimate. It's not black and white. Having some one proofread a paper is not inherently cheating. There are quite obviously more efficient ways of writing of cpu code. Studying from old tests is another.

Well, I guess this is where I have a problem. I'm just an old blue collar catholic who sees things in simple black and white. Either you follow the rules or you don't. If the rules are undecipherable then whose really to blame.

 

[INLaw]

Well, I guess this is where I have a problem. I'm just an old blue collar catholic who sees things in simple black and white. Either you follow the rules or you don't. If the rules are undecipherable then whose really to blame.

Bill O'reilly approves.

 

[Cackalacky]

Well, I guess this is where I have a problem. I'm just an old blue collar catholic who sees things in simple black and white. Either you follow the rules or you don't. If the rules are undecipherable then whose really to blame.

And I am a pragmatic red neck who sees nuances in most everything.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

And I am a pragmatic reefer smoking red neck who sees nuances in most everything.

FIFY

 

[Cackalacky]

FIFY

FALSE! I only built the greenhouses.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Well, I guess this is where I have a problem. I'm just an old blue collar catholic who sees things in simple black and white. Either you follow the rules or you don't. If the rules are undecipherable then whose really to blame.

You literally cannot make a rule for every possible contingency, and you cannot draw a line precise enough to account for every possible degree. If you're doling out punishments you have to be as fair as you can, and it is hard to be fair to everyone and simple at the same time.