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I call bullshit on this.
It's called "intersectional feminism." Muslims have been deemed a more oppressed class than women so the feminists don't speak up against oppression of women from the Muslim world. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's the general trend.
 

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It's called "intersectional feminism." Muslims have been deemed a more oppressed class than women so the feminists don't speak up against oppression of women from the Muslim world. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's the general trend.

The pile is growing higher by the minute.
 

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We live in a world where anything that contradicts "white, Christian, middle-class, male" goes together. Logic be damned.

No one in my social circle lives in this world. Maybe you should move to Orange County.
 

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No one in my social circle lives in this world. Maybe you should move to Orange County.

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Thats an outrage...

I'm not a big hate crimes guy. You can't get deader because of someone's twisted reasons for killing you...it is clear this is pre-meditated murder.

I guess we'll better understand motives when the person is caught...and if it had anything to do with the words or actions of others...
 

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The Killing of Khalid Jabara is an American Tragedy (in Tulsa)

Khalid Jabara's family sits down for first in-depth interview, sharing new details of his life and death (Tulsa newspaper)

‘We will cut all of your heads off’: Texas mosque threatened by man claiming to be Army veteran

Leaders of the Masjid al-Sahaabah mosque in Watauga, Tex., have grown accustomed to receiving several threatening voice mails on their answering machine each week.

Normally, the messages are deleted and quickly forgotten at the mosque near Fort Worth.

But a message that arrived one recent afternoon was different.

The caller identified himself as a local Army veteran and a Christian who was “armed to the teeth.” Referring to Islam as a “violent religion,” he accused Muslims of trying to import sharia law to the United States and called for “another Christian crusade.”

“We will cut all of your heads off,” the caller said. “Do you understand me? All of you.”
 
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Marc DeGirolami published an article yesterday titled "The US Commission on Abolishing Religious Freedom":

The embarrassing U.S. Commission on Civil Rights richly deserves the new name bestowed on it by the above headline. Its recent report to President Obama, “Peaceful Coexistence: Reconciling Nondiscrimination Principles with Civil Liberties,” contains nothing that is remotely likely to promote either peace or coexistence. To the contrary.

A brief post cannot do full justice to the fatuousness of the commission’s recommendations, which may be savored in full at pages 25 through 28. But I’ll note some lowlights.

The recommendations begin with the ominous observation that civil rights protections ensuring nondiscrimination “are of preeminent importance in American jurisprudence.” Preeminent over what, exactly? That quickly becomes crystal clear: over religious freedom. Supreme Court decisions that the commissioners celebrate for reflecting this preeminence include Christian Legal Society v. Martinez (2011), EEOC v. Abercrombie and Fitch (2015), and Obergefell v. Hodges (2015). It is telling that the commission includes Abercrombie and Fitch—an utterly unremarkable case involving the interpretation of the standard for an employer’s state of mind in a disparate treatment action under Title VII—because it thereby squeezes and deforms religious freedom into the only framework it can accept or understand: nondiscrimination.

After this, we are treated to the following hodgepodge of inanity: “Schools must be allowed to insist on inclusive values.” Apparently this is meant as a defense of Martinez; but it ought to read, “schools must be allowed to insist that everybody espouse the values we have canonized.”

The commissioners go on to say that “throughout history, religious doctrines accepted at one time later become viewed as discriminatory, with religions changing accordingly.”Really? Is this statement made in promotion of “peaceful coexistence” and “reconciliation”? It sounds more like a crude bit of pseudo-history capped by a fairly direct threat.

This succinct maxim follows: “A doctrine that distinguishes between beliefs (which should be protected) and conduct (which should conform to the law) is fairer and easier to apply.”

Well, such a legal doctrine would be easier to apply for those who are keen to subordinate religious exercise (“preeminence,” remember)—though I’m confident the commission would prefer to stamp out impure thoughts, too, if only it could.

The problem is that even the now-truncated Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment speaks in terms of “religious exercise,” and a policy that protected only religious belief and not religious exercise would represent a radical curtailment of religious freedom.

One more: “RFRA protects only religious practitioners’ First Amendment free exercise rights, and it does not limit others’ freedom from government-imposed religious limitations under the Establishment Clause.”

Actually, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 does not protect anybody’s First Amendment rights, whether of free exercise or otherwise. RFRA creates an independent statutory right for the protection of religious free exercise that is not dependent on the efficacy of a claimant’s First Amendment free exercise rights. The Supreme Court has never held that third parties may intervene to vindicate their ostensible Establishment Clause interests in a RFRA claim. That would be silly, since those third party interests are accounted for within RFRA’s own standard.

But the crown jewel in this disaster is Commission Chairman Martin Castro’s one-paragraph statement at page 29. It has to be read to be appreciated, and so let me only discuss the chairman’s choice of epigraph. The words are attributed to John Adams, but they are actually a provision in the Treaty of Tripoli passed in large part in order to negotiate with Muslim national powers in Africa for protection against pirates.

They are: “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

There are at least two problems in beginning this way. The first is that it shows Mr. Castro to be ignorant of Adams’s actual views when it came to, for example, Christian establishments of religion in the early republic. Of all the platitudes he could have chosen, he landed on a spectacularly inapt one.

The second, and larger, difficulty is that it suggests that for all the commission’s talk of nondiscrimination, it harbors hostility to one religion specifically: Christianity. The commission should be upfront about it, and simply state that its real object is to repudiate the country’s Christian heritage and to target Christianity for special legal disability. It would have saved all of us a lot of time and frustration.

Indeed, it is especially irritating for me to write this post because I wasted my time traveling to Washington, D.C., three years ago to testify before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. My testimony is at page 213 of the report and following, and I’m grateful at least to see the statements of Commissioners Peter Kirsanow and Gail Heriot. But I repent of my decision to testify. I’ll think twice and three times before ever doing it again.
 

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Anti-Catholics for Clinton - WSJ

Clickbait title but some of the quotes are damning:

The emails show that in 2011 Mr. Podesta and Jennifer Palmieri, who is now a senior Clinton campaign official, received a note from their Center for American Progress colleague John Halpin. Mr. Halpin notes a media report that our News Corp. superiors, Executive Chairman Rupert Murdoch and CEO Robert Thomson, raise their kids Catholic. Mr. Halpin observes that many leading conservatives are Catholic and opines that they “must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations.”

Ms. Palmieri responds, “I imagine they think it is the most socially acceptable politically conservative religion. Their rich friends wouldn’t understand if they became evangelicals.”

Mr. Halpin’s response to Ms. Palmieri was: “Excellent point. They can throw around ‘Thomistic’ thought and ‘subsidiarity’ and sound sophisticated because no one knows what the hell they’re talking about.”

Unfortunate that this has received so little attention.
 

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Anti-Catholics for Clinton - WSJ

Clickbait title but some of the quotes are damning:



Unfortunate that this has received so little attention.

To me, the more damning thing is that Podesta talks about how infiltrating and undermining the faith is pretty much underway, and that he is cool with it.

Podesta will, undoubtedly be a government employee soon...this begs the question...what penalties do government employees face when they fail to heed separations...should not be different if government seeks to undermine church policy with progressive orthodoxy vs. someone undermining government policy with church orthodoxy. So what is the punishment?
 

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Thankfully, there are still many Catholics who actually take truth and morality seriously. We should be on guard against those organizations though.
 

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Thankfully, there are still many Catholics who actually take truth and morality seriously. We should be on guard against those organizations though.

infiltration goes both ways...And I can assure you by the end of this...some of them will be calling themselves Catholics...but the church won't.
 

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infiltration goes both ways...And I can assure you by the end of this...some of them will be calling themselves Catholics...but the church won't.

Well that is one of the "problems" with this issue. The Church does not create even more barriers to reconciliation, and in her prudential judgment, the best practice in this situation is to allow the local bishops handle the matter. The bishops are the ones who do not publicly denounce their politicians because they want to usher them back into the fold and they simply do not think it is likely that excommunications or public denunciations will bring about a change of heart.

It's frustrating, but I understand their reasoning.
 

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Anti-Catholics for Clinton - WSJ

Clickbait title but some of the quotes are damning:

Unfortunate that this has received so little attention.

Crazy stuff. Here's an article by Chad Pecknold on the subject:

There has been much talk of a “Post-Christian” America lately. All these wonderful Pew studies keep the theme of Christian decline ever before us. One thing these studies often raise is the problem of “religious switching,” which always builds in some instability and a certain cloud of uncertainty about how long the trends they are seeing will hold. And what if they are missing something important? For all Pew’s interest in Evangelicals and Catholics, what if the studies are missing the most powerful religious voice in politics today? What if some of the most important tectonic shifts have been towards Progressivism, as chief contender to be America’s new civil religion?

That’s the question that occurred to me immediately upon reading the leaked e-mails from 2011–12 between Hillary Clinton’s campaign chair, John Podesta, and three other senior operatives — Clinton’s communications director, Jennifer Palmieri; Barack Obama’s friend and former boss, Sandy Newman, of Voices for Progress; and John Halpin, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress.

The first set of e-mails between Podesta, Halpin, and Palmieri was predictable. They joked about “backwards Catholics” who read Saint Thomas Aquinas and who talk about “subsidiarity,” the principle of Catholic social thought that wisely observes that problems are best solved closest to where they are happening. The horror! To think that not all decisions should be made by the Administrative State! Unsurprising, too, was the vitriol concerning “backwards” Catholics who seem to them to live under a medieval dictatorship. They demonstrate a certain level of disdain, but also near-total ignorance of the faith that they ridicule. A real Thomist would intellectually wipe the floor with them.

But the e-mail soon turned darker, speculating on why some of their more influential peers had become Catholic. Podesta speculates that they “must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations.” The immediate reply from Palmieri is that they must want “a form of religion” that’s socially acceptable to their rich friends, so they become Catholic rather than Evangelical. To be clear, our progressive “betters” are quite happy to embrace any “form of religion” just as long as it is acceptable to them. They seek to understand the “backwards Catholics” not through a consultation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, nor through an appreciation of the Church’s “common teacher,” Saint Thomas Aquinas, nor through the prayers they say, but through that very simple lens of class and elite consensus. It is the sort of dismissal that characterizes middle-school Marxism.

The amazing thing is that it never once occurs to Podesta, Palmieri, Newman, or Halpin that people would become Catholic out of sincere belief. It never occurs to them that people become Catholic because they discover that the faith is true. Most important, it never occurs to them that they live in a country founded on religious freedom. It never occurs to them that they should respect the integrity of the Catholic faith, rather than try to manipulate and transform it, as Napoleon, Bismarck, and countless other tyrants have tried to do before them. That’s breathtaking. But it makes sense if we understand that they really aren’t interested in respecting the Catholic faith, but in reforming it. John Halpin writes, “it’s an amazing bastardization of the faith.” And suddenly we know that these progressives believe theirs is the one true faith to which all others must conform.

The second Podesta e-mail was far more explosive.

Voices for Progress activist Sandy Newman wrote to Podesta about the then-raging HHS-mandate fight with the Catholic Church: “This whole controversy with the bishops opposing contraceptive coverage even though 98% of Catholic women (and their conjugal spouses) has me thinking. . . . There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the Catholic church.”

John Podesta immediately replied: “We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this.” These were activist organizations that Podesta had a hand in establishing as far back as 2005 to influence the Catholic vote in the run-up to Obama’s 2008 presidential bid. He complains that “leadership” has been lacking in these groups, and that the change they want is going to have to be worked “from the bottom up.”

If “medieval dictatorship” sums up their ignorance about medieval history, dictatorship, and Catholicism, then the analogy to an Arab Spring sums up their fundamental intentions. Catholics and Muslims alike need to be liberated from their “Middle Ages dictatorship.” Our progressive pastors teach an enlightened faith, intended to politically transform Catholicism from within, just as they hope to transform Islam. They want a liberalized, secularized, compatible-with-progressivism Catholicism. And they are willing to spend massive amounts of political capital to achieve this. Witness their costly war with the Little Sisters of the Poor.

Podesta and Newman’s exchanges pose an interesting question. They ask, how could Catholics be so ignorant of “Christian Democracy”? As if the Catholic Church hasn’t had a much longer and more thoughtful engagement with a greater variety of political regimes than they have had. But their question gave me pause. They think that progressivism itself is the true standard bearer for Christian democracy — which brings me back to those Pew studies, and all the post-Christian declensions. They don’t see their progressive project as “post-Christian.” They see it as a kind of secular form of Christian religion, a form that is the one true champion of progress, equality, democracy, and yes, liberation, salvation.

The e-mails give us a special window onto this esoteric “form of religion,” which is rarely spoken about. Progressivism — a secularized, and in these writers’ view purified, form of progressive Protestant Christianity — is the one true faith. This kind of liberalism is parasitic upon true Christianity, but it holds it in utter disdain. And it follows that the most ancient form of Christianity, Catholicism, should become its very special target.

Keep in mind that everything Obama has done, and the messianism that has gone with it, has been done from this understanding of progressive Christianity, which is in their view synonymous with Christianity, democracy, and freedom itself. This is why the president lit up the White House in the rainbow — an act of religious observance, a triumph for progress, and yes, in his view a triumph for Christian democracy, equality, and liberty. This is why Obama used full executive powers to coerce the Little Sisters of the Poor to submit to the HHS mandate against their conscience.

The progressive Christian democrat sees none of these acts as vicious. They see these as socially and religiously liberating acts. They see themselves as paternally breaking the chains of inequality: “When they go low, we go high.” Their well-suited liberalism hides their deeply pietistic and puritanical roots, which are both disciplinarian and anti-Catholic at their core.

The objection will be raised that while Obama reads Reinhold Niebuhr, and Hillary Clinton is a progressive Methodist, John Podesta and Tim Kaine are baptized Catholics. But the fact that a Catholic is baptized doesn’t mean that his beliefs have been substantively formed by the Catholic Church. Going to Georgetown, or taking a trip to Honduras, does not guarantee that a Catholic will be formed with an adequate understanding of his faith, nor that he will live in accord with it. And if they have been badly catechized in the faith, they will be very vulnerable to substitutions for the content of the faith. Progressivism provides a powerful substitute.

In some ways, the Investiture Controversies of the 12th and 13th centuries never ended. Kings continue to want to bring the Church under their control. In the 16th century, kings such as Henry VIII introduced something new into the Western political dynamic: The state takes an interest in advancing a religion that competes with the Catholic Church. Modern progressivism inherited this “seed of revolution.” It became more or less detached from Christianity in the 19th century, especially through G. W. F. Hegel, who saw God revealing Himself to us through our ever-evolving experiences through history. Democracy is the dialectical unfolding of God’s own voice, which is why the progressives have the idea that they should transform Catholicism “from the ground up.” Vox populi, vox Dei.

No wonder, then, that they want a grassroots Catholic Spring. This view isn’t the special purview of the Podestas of this world. It is widespread. ABC News political analyst Matthew Dowd tweeted after the leaks: “My fellow Catholics, you are aware that a majority of Catholics are pro-choice and pro gay marriage, right?” Mr. Dowd perfectly illustrates how the progressive faith is a kind of “ideological colonization” that seeks to transform the one, true, Catholic faith. The tragedy is that what Catholics like Dowd, Podesta, and Kaine do not seem to understand is that the Holy Catholic Church has survived 2,000 years not by receiving truth from below, but by receiving it from above.
 

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Well that is one of the "problems" with this issue. The Church does not create even more barriers to reconciliation, and in her prudential judgment, the best practice in this situation is to allow the local bishops handle the matter. The bishops are the ones who do not publicly denounce their politicians because they want to usher them back into the fold and they simply do not think it is likely that excommunications or public denunciations will bring about a change of heart.

It's frustrating, but I understand their reasoning.

I totally understand and appreciate the approach. But when we have named entities hostile to doctrine...I believe the church will, and should hand out some harsh punishments to people openly participating.
 

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A look at what has happened over the last few years under President Obama and what many on the right would like to see in order to protect Freedom of Religion.

Make Religious Freedom Great Again | Public Discourse

Donald Trump promised that he would Make America Great Again. If he is to make good on that promise, he’ll need to start by robustly restoring our first freedom: the free exercise of religion. Unfortunately, under the Obama administration, it came in for attack as never before. Thankfully, many of those attacks can be rectified in the very first days of a Trump administration.

Trump should commit to protecting the free exercise of religion for all Americans of all faiths. In her concession speech today, Hillary Clinton referred to the “freedom of worship”—piety limited to a synagogue, church, or mosque. But what the American founders protected was the right of all to live out their faith every day of the week in public and in private, provided they peacefully respect the rights of others.


The reduction of religious liberty to mere freedom of worship is a hallmark of the Obama years. Houses of worship, for example, were exempted from the HHS Obamacare contraception and abortifacient mandate. But religious schools, like Wheaton College, and religious charities and communities, such as the Little Sisters of the Poor, were merely “accommodated”—offered a different way to comply with the mandate while still violating their beliefs.

A Trump administration can fix this right away. President-Elect Trump can instruct his Secretary of Health and Human Services to provide robust religious liberty protections to the HHS mandate. And Congress can pass legislation, which Trump can sign, to repeal and replace Obamacare.

Likewise, the Obama administration has engaged in a series of executive actions—some of which were likely unlawful—to advance a radical transgender agenda. This, too, Trump can end.

For example, the Obama Departments of Justice and Education have instructed school districts throughout the country that they are now interpreting a 1972 law, Title IX, to require schools to allow students to use the bathroom, locker room and shower facility that accords with their self-declared “gender identity.” They did this by saying the word “sex” would now mean “gender identity.”

The Obama Department of Health and Human Services has done the same thing: claiming a provision in Obamacare that forbids discrimination on the basis of “sex” means “gender identity”—and thus all healthcare plans have to cover sex-reassignment therapies, and all relevant physicians have to perform them.

President Obama has also issued executive orders barring federal contractors and federal foreign aid recipients from engaging in what the government deems to be “discrimination” on the basis of “sexual orientation and gender identity”—where something as simple as saying biological males shouldn’t use female showers can count as “discrimination.”

All of this can be undone right away. Trump can rescind Obama’s Executive Orders, and he can instruct his Secretaries of Education and Health and Human Services and his Attorney General to interpret the word “sex” as Congress intended it—as a biological reality—not as “gender identity.” Congress can then make these orders permanent by enacting the Russell Amendment which protects freedom in religious staffing for religious institutions, and by passing the Civil Rights Uniformity Act which specifies that the word “sex” in our civil rights laws does not mean “gender identity” unless Congress explicitly says so.

President-Elect Trump should also make it clear that under his watch the federal government will never penalize any individual or institution because they believe and act on the belief that marriage is the union of husband and wife. Trump can issue an Executive Order stating that when it comes to tax status, accreditation, licensing, government grants and contracts, no entity of the federal government may penalize someone for acting on their conviction on man-woman marriage. To protect a future president from undoing this, Congress can pass, and Trump sign into law, the First Amendment Defense Act. Indeed, Trump promised to sign this bill into law during his campaign.

Whether it be harassing an order of nuns, forcing doctors to perform sex-reassignment therapies, or preventing local schools from finding win-win compromise solutions that would respect all students’ bodily privacy, the Obama administration has waged an aggressive and unnecessary culture war. Because it has done so almost exclusively through executive action, a Trump administration can quickly undo this damage. And Congress can then ratify it permanently in law. That’ll go a long way toward protecting peaceful coexistence, making American truly great again.

Edit: There are several links to Ryan Anderson's book within the actual body of text on the site, in addition to links of other articles going into details of things such as the "First Amendment Defense Act". I'm too much of a n00b to know how to link within my post.
 
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In Moslem countries, religion governs both public and private spheres. The private sphere is explicitly protected from intrusion by the state. Of course, they do not have the distinction of federal and state. In that way, under Islamic law, Christians and Jews may practice their religion exercising their religious liberty according to the Qur'an. That liberty includes worship in their churches or synagogues.

Should the Religious Freedom Restoration Act become law under Trump and should the federal government under a Republican Congress cede much of its power to state government, do you expect those state governments to act vigorously to protect the religious freedoms of non-Christian?

Do you expect that a private business who refuses service to a Moslem due to religion be protected then under the RFA by the federal government under a Trump administration including a lawsuit against that business for discrimination and violations of the RFRA?

Under Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, signed by Vice-President elect Mike Pence, a " governmental agency" (Sec. 8.)
"may not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion, even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability. (b) A governmental entity may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if the governmental entity demonstrates that application of the burden to the person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

Do you expect that the Trump administration will vigorously pursue investigations of hate crimes by individuals and organizations like the KKK?

Of course, those would be considered hate crimes by all of us. Such protections would be consistent with the principles of Islamic law.
 
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In Moslem countries, religion governs both public and private spheres. The private sphere is explicitly protected from intrusion by the state. Of course, they do not have the distinction of federal and state. In that way, under Islamic law, Christians and Jews may practice their religion exercising their religious liberty according to the Qur'an. That liberty includes worship in their churches or synagogues.

Should the Religious Freedom Act become law under Trump and should the federal government under a Republican Congress cede much of its power to state government, do you expect those state governments to act vigorously to protect the religious freedoms of non-Christian? Do you expect that a private business who refuses service to a Moslem due to religion be protected then under the RFA by the federal government under a Trump administration including a lawsuit against that business for discrimination and violations of the RFA?

Do you expect that the Trump administration will vigorously pursue investigations of hate crimes by individuals and organizations like the KKK?

Of course, those would be considered hate crimes by all of us. Such protections would be consistent with the principles of Islamic law.

Do you think that the RFA will explicitly forbid Muslims from receiving freedom of religion? If not, then yes they should expect a Trump administration to fight for them. Enforcing a law poorly does not mean that the law is wrong, only those entrusted to uphold it.
 

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Do you think that the RFA will explicitly forbid Muslims from receiving freedom of religion? If not, then yes they should expect a Trump administration to fight for them. Enforcing a law poorly does not mean that the law is wrong, only those entrusted to uphold it.

That's good to hear and would be consistent with Supreme Court decisions.

I amended my comment to include the text of Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which restricts government intervention with a few exceptions:
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(b), a governmental entity may not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion, even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability. (b) A governmental entity may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if the governmental entity demonstrates that application of the burden to the person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

Also Indiana's RFRA provides one accused of violations of the RFRA with certain redresses under these conditions:
Sec. 10. (a) If a court or other tribunal in which a violation of this chapter is asserted in conformity with section 9 of this chapter determines that: (1) the person's exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened; and (2) the governmental entity imposing the burden has not demonstrated that application of the burden to the person: (A) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (B) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest; the court or other tribunal shall allow a defense against any party and shall grant appropriate relief against the governmental entity. (b) Relief against the governmental entity may include any of the following: (1) Declaratory relief or an injunction or mandate that prevents, restrains, corrects, or abates the violation of this chapter. (2) Compensatory damages. (c) In the appropriate case,the court or other tribunal also may award all or part of the costs of litigation, including reasonable attorney's fees, to a person that prevails against the governmental entity under this chapter.
 
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I don't know the first thing about German law regarding this type of thing, is this actually legal there? I think most view Germany, and Western Europe as a whole, to be generally more liberal than the States, but I have to believe this would be immediately shot down on constitutional grounds by all but the furthest-right judges in the US.

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I think most view Germany, and Western Europe as a whole, to be generally more liberal than the States

I suppose that depends on what you mean by liberal... left leaning? sure, I guess... but liberal in the actual sense of the word? very much depends... on things like free speech and association, ... my understanding is,... not so much. In Britain for example i am aware of people being jailed and fined for 'hate speech' (that wasn't all that hateful by our standards) and offensive banners (again that isn't typically all that bad by our standards) and such... so it depends. They tend to be much more thin skinned on stuff like that.
 
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Palestinian Authority set to open embassy in Vatican (Aljazeera, Jan 15, 2017)
The Palestinian Authority is set to open an embassy in Vatican City, one day before representatives from 70 countries gather in the French capital for an Israeli-Palestinian peace conference.

Abbas Meets Pope, Opens PA Vatican Embassy, Rejects US Jerusalem Embassy
“For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of deceit have they opened against me; they have spoken unto me with a lying tongue.” Psalms 109:2 (The Israel Bible™)
(BreakingIsraelNews, Jan 15, 2017)


Pope Francis in Pro-Israel Crosshairs Over Palestinian State, Abbas Meeting

“Better is a poor person who walks in his integrity than one who is crooked in speech and is a fool.” (Proverbs 19:1)
(BreakingIsraelNews, May, 2015)
 
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Bishop Rhoades 'saddened' by Trump's executive order restricting immigration and refugee admission Bishop of Ft. Wayne/South Bend, Ft. Wayne News-Sentinal)

Fear should not lead us to forsake the innocent whose lives are in danger, Rhoades said.

By Bishop Kevin C. Rhoades of the Catholic Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend
Tuesday, January 31, 2017 5:09 AM

Bishop Kevin C. Rhoades of the Catholic Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend released the following statement Monday night regarding the executive order President Donald Trump issued Friday restricting admission of immigrants and refugees into the United States:

"The Church stands firm in its commitment to the defense of the life and dignity of the human person and to the promotion of the common good. Just last week, I joined over 1,000 young people from our diocese at the March for Life in Washington, D.C., where we publicly witnessed to the dignity of the unborn child. It was a joy to bear witness to the Gospel of Life.

"Our commitment to the Gospel of Life also includes the defense of the lives of so many innocent people who are victims of violence, war, religious persecution and terrorism. The number of refugees in the world today — persons who have had to flee their homes because their lives are in danger — is staggering. The church has been a leading agent in caring for and helping refugees, include resettling so many men, women and children in our country. I am proud of the excellent work of our own diocesan Catholic Charities in this area of service to these “least of our brothers and sisters.”


"I am saddened by the executive order of our president, which suspends the entry of refugees into our country for 120 days, indefinitely stops the admission of Syrian refugees and bars people from seven predominantly Muslim countries for 90 days. Many refugees are fleeing from ISIS and other extremists. They are victims and are looking for safety. Many are children. I cannot imagine what it must be like for a father or mother to be in such desperate straits, only desiring the safety and well-being of their family.

"Clearly our government has a responsibility to protect the safety and security of the United States. Certainly we must be vigilant, lest terrorists infiltrate the refugee population. But, as many attest, including our church agencies involved in refugee settlement, the U.S. is already using a thorough vetting process for refugees, especially those from Syria and surrounding countries. Fear should not lead us to forsake the innocent, of whatever nation or religion, whose lives are in danger.

"We must remember the criteria by which Jesus said we will be judged, including whether or not we welcomed the stranger among us. “I was a stranger, and you welcomed me,” Jesus said, in the parable of the last judgment, to those granted entry into his kingdom. “I was a stranger, and you gave me no welcome,” Jesus said to those who were sent to eternal punishment.

"Finally, it is important to keep in mind our responsibility to work for and promote the common good. The common good is not only the good of our nation, but also the good of the human family, the universal common good. Our brothers and sisters in the human family who are refugees are crying out for our compassion and love. Let us pray fervently for refugees, for their safety and for a renewed openness in our country to welcoming these brothers and sisters in need."
 
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Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention
From his speech:
Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.
To the disaffected and disenfranchised, Trump says, "I am your soul." and “I’m with you. I will fight for you. And I will win for you.”

National Prayer Breakfast - Religious Liberty
After his inuguration, at the National Prayer Breakfast, sponsored annually by "[URL="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516"]The Family", a Christian prayer group in D.C. for politicians, Trump stresses that the pursuit of Religious Liberty is what motivates him[/URL] with the continuing theme of "the world is a mess" and that he will fix it:
The world is in trouble, but we're going to straighten it out. Okay? That's what I do. I fix things. We're going to straighten it out.
Trump's religious upbringing and his commitment to religious liberty and to tolerance of other religions is what guides him, and is what he and American soldiers fight for.
I was blessed to be raised in a churched home. My mother and father taught me that to whom much is given much is expected. I was sworn in on the very bible from which my mother would teach us as young children. And that faith lives on in my heart every single day. The people in this room come from many, many backgrounds. You represent so many religions and so many views. But we are all united by our faith in our Creator and our firm knowledge that we are all equal in His eyes. We are not just flesh and bone and blood. We are human beings, with souls. Our Republic was formed on the basis that freedom is not a gift from government, but that freedom is a gift from God.

He will fight the "unimaginable violence" in the Mid-East by "confronting it viciously" in the name of American religious liberty and world peace.
All nations have a moral obligation to speak out against such violence. All nations have a duty to work together to confront it and to confront it viciously, if we have to. So I want to express clearly today to the American people that my administration will do everything in its power to defend and protect religious liberty in our land. America must forever remain a tolerant society where all faiths are respected, and where all of our citizens can feel safe and secure. We have to feel safe and secure....We will be a safe country. We will be a free country. And we will be a country where all citizens can practice their beliefs without fear of hostility or fear of violence. America will flourish as long as our liberty and, in particular, our religious liberty is allowed to flourish.

As a sign of that commitment to religious liberty, he also promises to "totally destroy, the Johnson Amendment and allow our representatives of faith to speak freely and without fear of retribution."


The Rev at the National Cathedral spoke of tolerance and acceptance of all faiths the day prior to Trump's inauguration and visit there for services.
Like previous inaugural prayer services, it is designed to reflect the diversity of our nation and to remind the President as he sets out on his job that he is called to lead all of us, not just a narrow few. I believe our job is to work together to build a country where everyone feels welcome, everyone feels safe, everyone feels at home. We will need all people from across our nation to be a part of that process, and we cannot retreat into our separate quarters if we have any hope of accomplishing this task. We must meet in the middle, and we start through prayer and song. It pains me that our decisions have caused such anguish. But, if these gestures serve as a catalyst for bridging the divide then, God willing, we are on the right path.
 
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