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When I was attempting to edit the B&G game (my first attempt that failed due to an unrelated issue) many times NBC would include clips of Brian Kelly yelling at the given quarterback, then BK would signal the play into #17, then the given would get the call and get everyone set, and by that time ~20-30 seconds had passed. Now, obviously this was a spring game, but it could signal an issue with the playcalling.

This is true, not just for the spring game, but for the two years of Kelly's rein. Kelly is often overly emotionally involved in the previous play, which prevents him from getting the next play out quickly. This was one of Weis's main strengths. He was always moving on to the next play, which is why his teams rarely had clock problems.
 
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Hendrix had kind of a strange explanation of his interception to Ishaq. He said:



I get the "a little more air and he's off to the races" part, but did he really think that he could throw the ball "through" Ishaq, because he's so confident in the strength of his arm?

It makes me wonder if it really is about "air" or "arm strength". It may be about seeing the linebacker. It sure as heck seems like that, when in three straight games Hendrix has thrown the ball right to a stationary linebacker. I just don't see how Hendrix's arm strength comes into the equation when its thrown to a stationary linebacker at chest height.

Bingo....I'm with ya...its like he gets some sort of tunnel vision...weird.
 
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Bingo....I'm with ya...its like he gets some sort of tunnel vision...weird.

You know, pay attention to his "A-Team" stuff. I am not sure. I think he really expects his quarterback to be rolling.
 

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After watching the spring game, I'm now changing my prediction to 6-6 or 7-5. I know it's the spring game but it looks like this team has gotten worse (If that's even possible). Gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG year.
 

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The four horsemen of the apocalypse... Wood, Riddick, Carlisle, and Atkinson. I'm really excited if Golson is throwing too. On those bubble screens/short passes the velocity on his passes are worth an extra 5 yards.
 

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It's only the spring game but I agree with NDOM... the team looked slower on both ends... too many running plays that took FAR too long to develop and too many of them went for good yadrage against our D...

it was only the spring game though... that's what I'll tell myself... but honestly my expectations (which weren't that high to begin with) were not improved.
 
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I just called into Cleveland sports radio tonight defending Floyd who these a-holes think that he has absolutely no explosion off of the line yada yada yada...

We had a nice back and forth and finally unloaded with stats based on who was throwing him the ball and how he handled it.

He cut me off...

Douche.
 

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I say we at least win 9 games...I really like our playmakers, wood, ga3, riddick,golson on Offense.. And our Defense is going to be as good or better..

For all the blue gold talk...Our defense did not have starters always out there.. Teo was in like for maybe 10 plays...
 

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The four horsemen of the apocalypse... Wood, Riddick, Carlisle, and Atkinson. I'm really excited if Golson is throwing too. On those bubble screens/short passes the velocity on his passes are worth an extra 5 yards.

NO BUBBLE SCREENS PLEASE!
 

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I just called into Cleveland sports radio tonight defending Floyd who these a-holes think that he has absolutely no explosion off of the line yada yada yada...

We had a nice back and forth and finally unloaded with stats based on who was throwing him the ball and how he handled it.

He cut me off...

Douche.

An Ohio kid has to fight the good fight with these tOSU hateristic a holes....

:)
 
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An Ohio kid has to fight the good fight with these tOSU hateristic a holes....

:)

That's what I'm talkin' about....

The funny part is.... it seems like about 50 percent of people want to trade down and pick Floyd in this town... Some A-Holes are just incapable of picking someone other than a Buckturd.
 

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I'm all for trading down... I have been for trading down for ten years now... please show me the one pick that ever worked out for the new Browns... they don't need a player... they need playerS... if Floyd is one so be it... if not... so long as they can play who cares...

that's where I am at.
 

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How do they feel about Devier Posey?

he wore girlish sparkle helmets for the flower power team... so I assume he is Jerry Rice part duex... only he burns couches instead of Db's...
 
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he wore girlish sparkle helmets for the flower power team... so I assume he is Jerry Rice part duex... only he burns couches instead of Db's...

True story... I've heard his name come up numerous times around here. So laughable...
 

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But the defense is improving

But the defense is improving

After watching the spring game, I'm now changing my prediction to 6-6 or 7-5. I know it's the spring game but it looks like this team has gotten worse (If that's even possible). Gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG year.

I know just what your feeling.
Our offense is not looking as good as it ought to.
Same issue: quarterbacks.

But on the positive side, I do feel that our defense is improving (assuming the corner backs get up to snuff).
Point: The defense is much faster than perhaps it has ever has been.
It seems to me that since Holtz who recruited for speed, successive coaches have not been able to do the same. Not so now.
This will keep the opposing score down... we just have to get the ball into the end zone!
 

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That's what I'm talkin' about....

The funny part is.... it seems like about 50 percent of people want to trade down and pick Floyd in this town... Some A-Holes are just incapable of picking someone other than a Buckturd.

This is the truth, especially the last line.
 

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This is true, not just for the spring game, but for the two years of Kelly's rein. Kelly is often overly emotionally involved in the previous play, which prevents him from getting the next play out quickly. This was one of Weis's main strengths. He was always moving on to the next play, which is why his teams rarely had clock problems.

Notre Dame burned four timeouts because they couldn't get the ball snapped against Michigan in 2009.
 
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It's funny. Riddick U Lus got it right. That's not the funny part. The funny part is how spotty our memory is. Weis had very little control of anything like that when he was here.

My prediction is that you cannot tell anything about the offense by this spring game except Eifert is going to split wide.

Do you seriously think that Kelly was not making it nearly impossible for Golson to get a snap off. I will tell you Golsons improvement will seem to come out of thin air; when Kelly is done with his psychological battery designed to turn Golson into a fire-breathing starting championship quarterback, we wil see the offense, with timing, on time.
 

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^Spot on Bog! I am tired of people b!tching about how we are going to be terrible this yr because of what they saw at the spring game....in all honesty who gives a sh!t what we saw, cause it only matter what the coaches saw and they are not gonna let us know inner workings. Spring games are entertainment for the fans and a celebration to for the end of spring ball...everyone relax and enjoy there summer.
 

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It's funny. Riddick U Lus got it right. That's not the funny part. The funny part is how spotty our memory is. Weis had very little control of anything like that when he was here.

My prediction is that you cannot tell anything about the offense by this spring game except Eifert is going to split wide.

Do you seriously think that Kelly was not making it nearly impossible for Golson to get a snap off. I will tell you Golsons improvement will seem to come out of thin air; when Kelly is done with his psychological battery designed to turn Golson into a fire-breathing starting championship quarterback, we wil see the offense, with timing, on time.

Even with his clock management, and "QB as field General" issues (rather concocted or not)...Golson had the best Spring game. What he showed me is he can recover from a muffed snap, or a stumble, and not have a TO, or an insurmountable loss. He put a couple reasonable drives together...he has speed, vision, and arm strength...Kelly may have to do some things to help him if the clock and understanding alignment are still issues come fall...

When Tommy was a freshman...anyone notice him looking over to the sidelines during the snap count....what do you all think that was? Same can be done for Golson...if we get the play in with time to kill over the ball.

...I can't refute what I saw on the field...the kid appears to be the future.

Maybe that changes...but not likely. Seemed like Mayock was getting aboard the Golson train...I saw it as he did...
 

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What we saw in the spring game were some very good starters play little or not at all in it. How anyone can attempt to judge generalities about the team under those conditions rather boggles the mind.

What one CAN say, hypothetically at least, is that our past starting QB hasn't gotten his vision recognition about the opposing linebackers solved, and that our number two QB seems unable to sweep the field ahead of the route to see linebackers either. BIG problem. Also, despite what Coach said, and I believe that he was just being "psychological" not deceptive towards fans, Gunner did NOT operate under anywhere near equal circumstances with his competitors, which bodes for redshirt to me. That seems to clearly indicate Golson as the favorite "horse in the stable" right now. Kelly's immediate "hey, slow down" to the media when they asked about Everett after the game was pure Coach Kelly. He constantly did the same thing about Lynch last year at this time. His [proper] technique with wild uber-talents is not to gushingly praise them but to motivate them to keep working.

Bog is correct in that the prime systemic thing that we learned was that Eifert is now an undefinable general receiver placed anywhere at any time. This means that for perhaps even the majority of plays we will have two TEs on the field. We also saw that Koyack can get open and catch. A second prime systemic thing that we saw was that even without Lynch, and allegedly being in a 3-4, we had four down most of the time, and sometimes five --- Councell and Spond were on the line of scrimmage a lot. We also found out that Councell can not only run but is pretty effective holding ground at the point of attack.

Unlike others, I saw a lot of quickness and aggression in both lines and runners and backers. Compared to the Michigan spring game, we looked faster and more athletic. [always minus The Denard, of course --- astounding to me how one super-threat can change so much].

Pessimists will be pessimists as is their right to live in misery. I did not see the spring performances, except for QBs named other than Everett, as being disappointing. It would have been nice if GAIII would have held onto the ball, of course. And it would have been nice to see Hegarty further along on his snapping --- but in that case The Braxton will be back for the real show anyway. Brindza looking lousy on kicks was a little disappointing, but we still have Tausch.

If Everett becomes polished enough, and if Jackson is actually good, this team is going to be fine, barring any key injuries.
 

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Compared to the Michigan spring game, we looked faster and more athletic. [always minus The Denard, of course --- astounding to me how one super-threat can change so much].

Since you brought up Michigan game along with speed: Last year's Michigan game exposed how slow our cornerbacks were, which was confirmed by their post-season 40 times. I am really looking forward to seeing what our cornerbacks look like in 2012. If they are faster than Blanton and Gray, I am hopeful that Kerry Cooks- who had a very good track record coaching cornerbacks till last year- will be able to improve our cornerback play. We'll see.
 

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It's funny. Riddick U Lus got it right. That's not the funny part. The funny part is how spotty our memory is. Weis had very little control of anything like that when he was here.

My prediction is that you cannot tell anything about the offense by this spring game except Eifert is going to split wide.

Do you seriously think that Kelly was not making it nearly impossible for Golson to get a snap off. I will tell you Golsons improvement will seem to come out of thin air; when Kelly is done with his psychological battery designed to turn Golson into a fire-breathing starting championship quarterback, we wil see the offense, with timing, on time.

If Kelly was playing stress manager with Golson, why did he have the referee turn the play clock OFF? That's the only reason the delay calls stopped. Kelly had the play clock turned off.

I mentioned in the B&G thead that Kelly gets too involved with "teaching moments" from the previous play be it with a QB, RB, WR, etc. For two years Crist, Rees, and Hendrix all have had to wait too long for the next play to be sent in. Kelly counsels someone, THEN, takes to his OC via headset, peruses his omnipresent laminated play chart, picks a play, tells the Red Army what to signal it in, The Red Army wags, The QB digests, Finally, calls the play, the center barks out line calls, a safety moves up a two steps, the QB recomputes and calls an audible, while the entire offense reajust their individual assignments on the NEW play, a whistle blows, and it's either "DELAY OF GAME!" or "FALSE START!"

The QB isn't the only one under time pressure with this system.

3rd and 1 is now 3rd and 6, 1st and 10 is now 1st and 15, doesn't really matter the down nor the distance. It's now more yards with less time on the clock. In the past two years there have been a number of ND "two minute drives" where the plays got in quickly and the TEAM played with high tempo. It doesn't take a time management study to realize there are too many steps in that process. It starts slow and stays slow. BUT sometimes hums along when the lead person, the head coach, exhibits tempo.

I didn't follow UC but what little I did see of them on TV, they had crisp tempo under Kelly. How do you get crisp tempo in any offense, regardless of QB, if you can't get the play in quickly?

In the B&G game Golson had difficulty with reading the signals, he had difficulty getting players in the correct alignment (part player and position coach problem there, as well). Golson has work to do there BUT Kelly still has to get the plays in quicker, not some of the time, all the time.

When Kelly came to ND the buzz was ND was going to run 80 plays a game, every game. Last year ND did it twice, PU and UMD. 80 plays a game would be 1040. In 2011 ND ran 906 or 69 plays/game. That's only 19 plays more in the season than opponents ran and it's comparable to the Weis years. Increased Tempo has been as effective as Weis's Schematic Advantage.

Here's the game by game breakdown, mileage may vary by turnovers (rarely plus moreso minus) and runs versus pass, opponents strength, blah, blah, blah

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Team	Plays
USF	78
UM	72
MSU	58
PIT	73
PU	81
AF	65
USC	57
USN	60
WF	62
UMD	84
BC	78
SU	68
FSU	70
Total	906
 

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If Kelly was playing stress manager with Golson, why did he have the referee turn the play clock OFF? That's the only reason the delay calls stopped. Kelly had the play clock turned off.

I mentioned in the B&G thead that Kelly gets too involved with "teaching moments" from the previous play be it with a QB, RB, WR, etc. For two years Crist, Rees, and Hendrix all have had to wait too long for the next play to be sent in. Kelly counsels someone, THEN, takes to his OC via headset, peruses his omnipresent laminated play chart, picks a play, tells the Red Army what to signal it in, The Red Army wags, The QB digests, Finally, calls the play, the center barks out line calls, a safety moves up a two steps, the QB recomputes and calls an audible, while the entire offense reajust their individual assignments on the NEW play, a whistle blows, and it's either "DELAY OF GAME!" or "FALSE START!" or a fumbled snap.

The QB isn't the only one under time pressure with this system.

3rd and 1 is now 3rd and 6, 1st and 10 is now 1st and 15, doesn't really matter the down nor the distance. It's now more yards with less time on the clock. In the past two years there have been a number of ND "two minute drives" where the plays got in quickly and the TEAM played with high tempo. It doesn't take a time management study to realize there are too many steps in that process. It starts slow and stays slow. BUT sometimes hums along when the lead person, the head coach, exhibits tempo.

I didn't follow UC but what little I did see of them on TV, they had crisp tempo under Kelly. How do you get crisp tempo in any offense, regardless of QB, if you can't get the play in quickly?

In the B&G game Golson had difficulty with reading the signals, he had difficulty getting players in the correct alignment (part player and position coach problem there, as well). Golson has work to do there BUT Kelly still has to get the plays in quicker, not some of the time, all the time.

When Kelly came to ND the buzz was ND was going to run 80 plays a game, every game. Last year ND did it twice, PU and UMD. 80 plays a game would be 1040. In 2011 ND ran 906 or 69 plays/game. That's only 19 plays more in the season than opponents ran and it's comparable to the Weis years. Increased Tempo has been as effective as Weis's Schematic Advantage.

Here's the game by game breakdown, mileage may vary by turnovers (rarely plus moreso minus) and runs versus pass, opponents strength, blah, blah, blah

HTML:
Team	Plays
USF	78
UM	72
MSU	58
PIT	73
PU	81
AF	65
USC	57
USN	60
WF	62
UMD	84
BC	78
SU	68
FSU	70
Total	906

Some really good points in there and I agree that there is a need to streamline the process. I think back to the USC game where Dayne fumbled the snap in the redzone. At the time and every time I have seen it since I put a large part of the blame on the decision to play musical quarterback at a time when the offense was playing with rhythm and moving effectively. You start running guys onto the field late giving to many last second instructions and then they start rushing through their reads and next thing you know your eyes are still moving threw your reads and the snap is bouncing off of your hands. I did not place the blame only on Dayne. While I know that Coach is trying to get the offense to a point where he does not feel the need to coach in between plays or micro manage each facet of the offense or rely on clever schemes to accomplish what simple execution should accomplish, I think at critical times that involvement cost us in efficiency and maybe cost us more than that. Hopefully this inefficiency is a stop on the road to unconscious competence. Hopefully the offseason staff changes and improved attention to detail by the guys on the field will allow the coaches to let the game "flow" a little smoother.
 

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If I remember right, we weren't playing "musical QB's .

Tommy got banged up, that's why Dayne had to step in.
 

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What's all the hub-bub about?? It's a controlled scrimmage put on for the fans. Nothing is set in stone as to who will be the starting QB in Ireland in Setptember. Golson by far played the best of any QB on the roster, but who knows what will transpire over the summer. Let's let this play out over the summer and see what happens in fall camp before we start bitching about what happened in the Spring game, or it's going to be a very looooooong summer for some of us indeed.
 
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